Daniel Rich: Possible Eagle in 2012?

[dajesmac]

2010 was an awesome draft pool. GCS will have the better kids (presumably) but GWS seem to be attacking harder at established players. GWS might become a force a little earlier than GCS if that's what turns out to happen, but GCS will probably have the better future.

Remember though GWS do have some awesome youth regardless, Stevens, Shiel and Coniglio are very solid prospects.

 

[dajesmac]

Speaking about this draft its the first one in a few years that i really aren't huge on the talent. Will be some good players in particular looking like a bumper crop for decent rucks/ combination ruck forwards but as far as depth i think it's really lacking. In depth terms and even the high end looks a lot more like the 07 draft rather than the '08 draft or even the '10 draft.

Back on topic, if you turn out to be accurate in your prediction then this may be the best time to trade a first rounder for Rich.

 

[BigVic]

Looks like Freo's now in the race to sign him for 2012 now that Palmer's gone to GWS.

 

[mehow2g]

Looks like Freo's now in the race to sign him for 2012 now that Palmer's gone to GWS.

Hardly changes thing since Freo will get draft picks for him

 

[rhinowce]

you would still think we would have the upper hand we dont have a pav or sandi eatting up half our cap.

 

[kane249]

you would still think we would have the upper hand we dont have a pav or sandi eatting up half our cap.

Pav would already be on their vets list and Sandialnds will be there in a years time

 

[rhinowce]

Pav would already be on their vets list and Sandialnds will be there in a years time

True forgot about that..

So who else is due to go on our veterans list glass and embers is that it??

 

[unbelievacow]

True forgot about that..

So who else is due to go on our veterans list glass and embers is that it??

We already have 2 vets in Glass and Cox. Adding more vets won't increase our cap space unless they earn a significant amount more than the 2 vets that are already on there.

2 vets - half of each players salary outside cap
3 vets - a third of each players salary outside cap
4 vets - a quarter of each players salary outside cap, etc...

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

True forgot about that..

So who else is due to go on our veterans list glass and embers is that it??

I think Cox & Glass are currently on our Vets list.
Surely Kerr will go on next?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Pav would already be on their vets list and Sandialnds will be there in a years time

Pav doesn't qualify until 2012 - Sandi not until 2013 as both are born in December

Veteran Players
Under AFL player rules, each club may nominate or list any number of what are called Veteran Player’s.

• In order to be eligible for classification as a Veteran a player must have been the age of 30 as at September 30 in the relevant AFL season and be on the primary list of the AFL club for at least 10 years or in the case of Port Adelaide since the inception of the club.
• From 2006 there is now no limit on the number of veteran players a club can list, as long as the player meets the required classification

 

[The Stid]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/its-rick-picking-for-rival-clubs/story-fn6ck6f9-1225980051889
Interesting acrticle in the Sunday Times. He comes out of contract at the end of this season and is hesitant about re-signing with the Lions.





Obviously GWS have the best chance and perhaps they have already signed him but if he wants to return home it would be a two horse race between us and Freo.

He would be a great addition to our midfield so what would we be willing to give up for him and could we offer him enough cash?

This is my first ever "post" on big footy.
but IMO if we were to trade for players this year i would rather trade to GWS to pick up Coniglio thats if he does pick footy.

 

[Ted38]

This is my first ever "post" on big footy.
but IMO if we were to trade for players this year i would rather trade to GWS to pick up Coniglio thats if he does pick footy.

Congratulations and welcome aboard, I concur with your thoughts on Coniglio and he should be a priority for us. I am confident he'll opt for footy, lets hope so anyway he is an outstanding talent.

 

[makaveli01]

This is my first ever "post" on big footy.
but IMO if we were to trade for players this year i would rather trade to GWS to pick up Coniglio thats if he does pick footy.

GWS has to trade 4 players born between 1st january and 30th april 1994 over 2 years. Coniglio isnt one of those players as he is born on the 15th December 1993. He is eligible for this years draft and since he is likely to go top 3 there is no chance we can get him unless we trade for one of those top 3 picks

 

[kane249]

Congratulations and welcome aboard, I concur with your thoughts on Coniglio and he should be a priority for us. I am confident he'll opt for footy, lets hope so anyway he is an outstanding talent.

With 11 spots on a team every week and only 6 teams Vs 18 teams and 22 spots every week, unless your super good at cricket I can see a lot more people turning to AFL then cricket. I think that's why Mitch Marsh chose cricket over AFL and vice versa his cousin Brad Sheppard chose AFL over cricket due to them picking their stregnth.

 

[Eagle Ant]

GWS has to trade 4 players born between 1st january and 30th april 1994 over 2 years. Coniglio isnt one of those players as he is born on the 15th December 1993. He is eligible for this years draft and since he is likely to go top 3 there is no chance we can get him unless we trade for one of those top 3 picks

Not out of our reach to trade for pick 1...We have the players GWS would be looking for.
And No I dont mean Nicoski, Lynch, Bones or Butler.
As much as I would hate to see these guys depart our first Round pick and any one of: EG Pick 9 + .......
M.Brown (1st Rnd pick 16)
Chris Masten (1st Rnd pick 3)
Brad Ebert (1st Rnd pick 13)
Koby stevens (2 Rnd pick 23)
Tom Swift (2nd Rnd pick 20)
Ashley Smith (3rd Rnd pick 36)

The top 4 would get us a No1 pick depending on where we finish.

With 11 spots on a team every week and only 6 teams Vs 18 teams and 22 spots every week, unless your super good at cricket I can see a lot more people turning to AFL then cricket. I think that's why Mitch Marsh chose cricket over AFL and vice versa his cousin Brad Sheppard chose AFL over cricket due to them picking their stregnth.

He is a very good cricketer, Plays WACA 1st grade cricket for Midland/Guildford and Generally is in the paper most weeks for runs scored.
He bats a number 3 and has been highly sort after for sum time.

 

[Prem87]

Brown is critical to our structure I dont know why people always name his as trade bait. The rest are potentially tradeable.

 

[Patron]

Not out of our reach to trade for pick 1...We have the players GWS would be looking for.
And No I dont mean Nicoski, Lynch, Bones or Butler.
As much as I would hate to see these guys depart our first Round pick and any one of: EG Pick 9 + .......
M.Brown (1st Rnd pick 16)
Chris Masten (1st Rnd pick 3)
Brad Ebert (1st Rnd pick 13)
Koby stevens (2 Rnd pick 23)
Tom Swift (2nd Rnd pick 20)
Ashley Smith (3rd Rnd pick 36)

The top 4 would get us a No1 pick depending on where we finish.


He is a very good cricketer, Plays WACA 1st grade cricket for Midland/Guildford and Generally is in the paper most weeks for runs scored.
He bats a number 3 and has been highly sort after for sum time.

Getting a number 1 pick is basically impossible. Even if we traded a first round pick and one of those players. Maybe we could get pick 2 or 3 but not 1.
We would have to trade lecras to get pick 1.
Weve basically got as big of a chance of getting coniglio as we did of swallow. Jagerbomb and yarran are the ones we have a chance at grabbing.

 

[WCE_phil]

Brown is critical to our structure I dont know why people always name his as trade bait. The rest are potentially tradeable.

There is a moral to this story and to everyone's suggestions that they should always adhere to. You never trade a quality tall for a quality small. Every year there are at least 5-10 quality small that go in the draft. They might not go in the top 5-10 but there will always be at least 5-10 really good smalls picked up in a draft. A lot of the time there will only be 1-2 quality talls picked up in the draft.

What you people are forgetting is with those 4 traded players for picks is that you arent specifically trading for a pick. Sure it gets marked down as a draft pick but you are essentially trading for the rights for a 17 year old player. The draft pick that gets put down is purely for show. It's not like our team and 3 other teams trade players for 4 picks at any 17 year olds we want and the picks get decided on the day.

 

[Eagle Ant]

There is a moral to this story and to everyone's suggestions that they should always adhere to. You never trade a quality tall for a quality small. Every year there are at least 5-10 quality small that go in the draft. They might not go in the top 5-10 but there will always be at least 5-10 really good smalls picked up in a draft. A lot of the time there will only be 1-2 quality talls picked up in the draft.

What you people are forgetting is with those 4 traded players for picks is that you arent specifically trading for a pick. Sure it gets marked down as a draft pick but you are essentially trading for the rights for a 17 year old player. The draft pick that gets put down is purely for show. It's not like our team and 3 other teams trade players for 4 picks at any 17 year olds we want and the picks get decided on the day.

Look I agree with you Phil.
BUT in saying that we have a huge stable of Tall and Medium defenders and if 1 of these guys wont be in our best 22 but may be in another teams best 22 then we can capitalise on the situation.
ATM we have as our tall defenders:
D.Glass - Certain Starter
W.Schofield- Can play Tall and Short good 3rd tall option or CHB
E.Mackenzie- A FB in training and Glasses direct replacement.
M.Brown- A CHB/CHF swinman who is more comfortable in defence.
B.Wilson- A Medium to Tall Defender who can Play a range of Roles.
J.McGovern- A tall CHB who should be ready to go in 2 to 3 years.
J.Brennen- A Medium to Tall defender who plays like Shoey.
J.Jones- A medium to Tall defender who runs off his man.
L.Stevenson a Medium defender who Rebounds really well.

IMHO Glass will retire in around 3 years time therfor McGovern will be ready to replace EMAC at CHB or as the 3RD tall and Schofield will be the starting CHB Emc the Starting FB and Mcloving as the 3rd tall.

M.Brown is a Extra in that field depending on who you talk to.
A Starting CHB now but in 2 years will Schofield be a better option???
We all know Emac is the prefurred FB option that leaves the 3rd tall role for Brown and I cant see him being happy playing 3rd fiddle.
If either of Emac, Schofield, or Glass get injuried any of Brennen, McLovin or Wilson could easily fill that 3rd talls role.
So as much as I agree with the fact of not swapping a Tall for a small I still this having a Damaging midfielder is far more important then a 3rd or Fill in defender.

Plus the likes of Masten, Ebert, Stevens, Smith and the other names i mentioned are all in the same catagory all outside our potentual best players.
For the record a midfield containing:
Naitanui, Gaff, Shuey Congilio, Rosa and Sheppard looks absolutely Awesome.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Not out of our reach to trade for pick 1...We have the players GWS would be looking for.
And No I dont mean Nicoski, Lynch, Bones or Butler.
As much as I would hate to see these guys depart our first Round pick and any one of: EG Pick 9 + .......
M.Brown (1st Rnd pick 16)
Chris Masten (1st Rnd pick 3)
Brad Ebert (1st Rnd pick 13)
Koby stevens (2 Rnd pick 23)
Tom Swift (2nd Rnd pick 20)
Ashley Smith (3rd Rnd pick 36)

The top 4 would get us a No1 pick depending on where we finish.

Dreamland if you think that would net pick 3 let alone pick 1.

In 2009 - Sydney tried trading two first round draft picks (including pick 6) for Pick 3 and were rejected.

None of those blokes are likely to net Pick 1 even with Pick 6 - let alone pick 9 or higher.

The only 2 blokes on our list capable of getting Pick 1 would be NN and LeCras

 

[88mph]

Dreamland if you think that would net pick 3 let alone pick 1.

In 2009 - Sydney tried trading two first round draft picks (including pick 6) for Pick 3 and were rejected.

None of those blokes are likely to net Pick 1 even with Pick 6 - let alone pick 9 or higher.

The only 2 blokes on our list capable of getting Pick 1 would be NN and LeCras

If we didnt get pick 1 for Judd, no-one will EVER get pick 1 in a trade.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

If we didnt get pick 1 for Judd, no-one will EVER get pick 1 in a trade.

I think that was more a case of leverage rather than quality.

If Judd was contracted and the PSD didn't loom - we would have got Pick 1

 

[Lach72]

Pav would already be on their vets list and Sandialnds will be there in a years time

Pav is on from next year...not 30 until Dec 30 I think

 

[bigburger]

If we miss out on Rich then the question must be asked. Should we have swapped our pick 4 in this draft for him provided that deal would have assured him to us?

 

[Prem87]

Depends on the talent available. I guess we would trade it away if Rich was the better option.

People are saying 2012 is the big year in terms of talent IIRC another super draft.