Daniel Rich: Possible Eagle in 2012?

[archiemoses]

Our first round pick will be enough. Brisbane will get only get compensation
pick at the end of the first round from the AFL if Rich does goto GWS.

Exactly, and we will get a pick around 8-11, so it works perfectly.

 

[Obeanie1]

Exactly, and we will get a pick around 8-11, so it works perfectly.

Unless GWS and the Lions do another dodgy deal ala Brennan. GWS take M Clarke, Lions release Rich and get a compo pick plus some other swap of picks from GWS.

I do hope the AFL close this loop hole ................. but I doubt it.

Then again what's the chance of the same club losing another two players to another expansion club. Losing 4 gun players in two seasons both to expansion clubs just doesn't sound right to me. Meaning the AFL shouldn't allow it to occur.

 

[sydney eagle]

Unless GWS and the Lions do another dodgy deal ala Brennan. GWS take M Clarke, Lions release Rich and get a compo pick plus some other swap of picks from GWS.

I do hope the AFL close this loop hole ................. but I doubt it.

Then again what's the chance of the same club losing another two players to another expansion club. Losing 4 gun players in two seasons both to expansion clubs just doesn't sound right to me. Meaning the AFL shouldn't allow it to occur.

Shouldn't, but you can bet that they WILL allow it to occur if it advantages their new love children! AFL is desperate to grow their game , and the places they see it developing are Western Sydney and the Gold Coast. Therefore they will do everything in their power to see that those teams become powerhouses as quickly as possible.

 

[bunsen burner]

Would trade Brown and a second round pick for him.

Wouldn't trade Mitch Brown for him

I would give up Priddis and Rosa to get Rich

3) S.Butler + M.Brown plus 2nd Rnd pick

I'd prefer a Rosa plus a 2nd rounder or Mitch Brown straight swap could be an option

This thread resembles a crack den. Just a hotbed of drug use.

 

[spEKTre]

This thread resembles a crack den. Just a hotbed of drug use.

Each to their own Bunsen hey ? I mean I don't think Rosa is worth keeping but people are allowed to have an opinion.

Bunsen Burner AKA "Kim IL Jong".

 

[bunsen burner]

Each to their own Bunsen hey ? I mean I don't think Rosa is worth keeping but people are allowed to have an opinion.

Totally different. Kepp Rosa/Dump Rosa - a reasonable argument for both sides.

But this threads smacks (pi) of:

"I want to give up duds for a gun"

You all whine and howl when some essendon supporter wants to swap Leroy Jetta for Shuey but then do the exact same shit yourselves.

Sorry, but the delusions need to be pointed out.

 

[bunsen burner]

The truth of the matter is you can't get Daniel Rich without offering up an almost similar package (assuming he walks out).

Some speculation:

1. I'm confident he will walk. I don't think he's doing the usual trick to maximise hiw next contract.

2. Fremantle will find it hard to find money in their cap. And assuming they have another good year they will find it hard to make a good offer draft pick wise.

3. Voss will be gone by the time Rich walks out


Players like Mitch Brown and Ebert and Swift are still unknown quantites. Rich is not. Sure, these players may come good but given their shortcomings they represent risk and so their market value is nowhere near Rich.

Assuming we get a pick around 10 - we'll have to couple that with a pretty handy player (even if Brisbane's negotiating power is reduced).

I'd be offering our 1st pick and Priddis. This would be a win for us, as in my view the deal is lop sided. But you never know, it may be enough given Brisbane will have a glut of experienced midfield talent.

Any one of Brown, Swift, Masten, Ebert, Cox, Kerr, Waters, and our 1st pick I'd jump at.




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[archiemoses]

Unless GWS and the Lions do another dodgy deal ala Brennan. GWS take M Clarke, Lions release Rich and get a compo pick plus some other swap of picks from GWS.

I do hope the AFL close this loop hole ................. but I doubt it.

Then again what's the chance of the same club losing another two players to another expansion club. Losing 4 gun players in two seasons both to expansion clubs just doesn't sound right to me. Meaning the AFL shouldn't allow it to occur.

But if the AFL consider the compensation sufficient, then there is no problem?

 

[archiemoses]

The truth of the matter is you can't get Daniel Rich without offering up an almost similar package (assuming he walks out).

Some speculation:

1. I'm confident he will walk. I don't think he's doing the usual trick to maximise hiw next contract.

2. Fremantle will find it hard to find money in their cap. And assuming they have another good year they will find it hard to make a good offer draft pick wise.

3. Voss will be gone by the time Rich walks out


Players like Mitch Brown and Ebert and Swift are still unknown quantites. Rich is not. Sure, these players may come good but given their shortcomings they represent risk and so their market value is nowhere near Rich.

Assuming we get a pick around 10 - we'll have to couple that with a pretty handy player (even if Brisbane's negotiating power is reduced).

I'd be offering our 1st pick and Priddis. This would be a win for us, as in my view the deal is lop sided. But you never know, it may be enough given Brisbane will have a glut of experienced midfield talent.

Any one of Brown, Swift, Masten, Ebert, Cox, Kerr, Waters, and our 1st pick I'd jump at.

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As premier 87 said,

Our first round pick will be enough. Brisbane will get only get compensation pick at the end of the first round from the AFL if Rich does goto GWS.

We have all the leverage. Our first round pick should be enough and we can throw in Ebert for good measure.

Not only do they get a better first rounder, they get a former first rounder coming into his 4th preseason.

And I would doubt they want to throw away this to prove a point, and let him go to the GWS.

 

[Obeanie1]

As premier 87 said,

We have all the leverage. Our first round pick should be enough and we can throw in Ebert for good measure.

Not only do they get a better first rounder, they get a former first rounder coming into his 4th preseason.

And I would doubt they want to throw away this to prove a point, and let him go to the GWS.

Why would we throw in Ebert if our first round pick is good enough and better than what they'd get if he went to GWS?

Throwing in Ebert as a 'set of steak knives' is ridiculous as Port would likely trade for Ebert with their first round pick. Is Rich now worth 2 first rounders?

Its either our first rounder or Ebert, not both.

Or Swift plus a 2nd / 3rd rounder.

Or M Brown and our 2nd / 3rd rounder.

 

[Mattman93]

I wouldn't trade Swift for Rich.

 

[Obeanie1]

The truth of the matter is you can't get Daniel Rich without offering up an almost similar package (assuming he walks out).

Some speculation:

1. I'm confident he will walk. I don't think he's doing the usual trick to maximise hiw next contract.

2. Fremantle will find it hard to find money in their cap. And assuming they have another good year they will find it hard to make a good offer draft pick wise.

3. Voss will be gone by the time Rich walks out


Players like Mitch Brown and Ebert and Swift are still unknown quantites. Rich is not. Sure, these players may come good but given their shortcomings they represent risk and so their market value is nowhere near Rich.

Assuming we get a pick around 10 - we'll have to couple that with a pretty handy player (even if Brisbane's negotiating power is reduced).

I'd be offering our 1st pick and Priddis. This would be a win for us, as in my view the deal is lop sided. But you never know, it may be enough given Brisbane will have a glut of experienced midfield talent.

Any one of Brown, Swift, Masten, Ebert, Cox, Kerr, Waters, and our 1st pick I'd jump at.


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Now this is paying way over the odds.

A 1st round pick PLUS Ebert or Masten or Waters?

Ebert would get us a 1st round pick from Port.

Waters would fetch a 1st rounder from either Port or the Crows.

Masten would also still net a late 1st round pick.

Rich had a great 1st season then a average 2nd season and if he wants out you'd never pay 2 1st rounders for him as he hasn't yet proved he's worth that.

Pridis or M Brown plus our 2nd rounder would be about the mark IMO.

 

[WCE_phil]

TBH rich's second season was pretty much as good as his first. He was playing in a team that was performing much worse, with a lot more attention than the first season and with a heap of expectation. He was taken with pick 7 in the 2008 super draft and if anything has done much better than expected of a mid first rounder in the first 2 seasons of their careers. I would be very happy to give up 2 mid first rounders or equivalents for him.

If we come 11th this year our first rounder is pick 16. You honestly think you can trade pick 16 for a guy who was a pick seven 3 years before? Especially considering he has won a rising star award and is easily in the top 10 players from his draft so far and would be very close to the top 3-4 most important players to his current club.

It will take our first rounder and a very solid young player at the least. Someone like swift, ebert, masten, shuey or brown. Shit brisbane will probably want 2 first rounders and a player. But yeah continue being delusional people and thinking we can just swap a pick lower than what he was taken with in a compromised draft for a future superstar player.

 

[bunsen burner]

Now this is paying way over the odds.

A 1st round pick PLUS Ebert or Masten or Waters?

Ebert would get us a 1st round pick from Port.

Waters would fetch a 1st rounder from either Port or the Crows.

Masten would also still net a late 1st round pick.

Rich had a great 1st season then a average 2nd season and if he wants out you'd never pay 2 1st rounders for him as he hasn't yet proved he's worth that.

Pridis or M Brown plus our 2nd rounder would be about the mark IMO.

You been smoking crack. Dare you to go to the main board and ask what everyone thinks the market rate of Masten, Ebert, Brown, and Priddis is.

Daniel Rich is worth a pick in the region of 4-7. Why? Because he can pinpoint 50m passes. You might get better, but you might get a Masten or Palmer, or Josh Fraser.

But, if he walks then he is worth less. Brisbane will need to offload him to a) stop him going PSD and b) stop him signing with GWS. On the other if Freo want him badly (and you can guarantee they will), that will drive his price back up.

I'd put his adjusted price, given the hypothetical variables closer to a pick 10-12 plus a decent player.

Some may have rock on for Ebert, Masten, Brown, Swift, Waters, and Priddis but the broader footy community don't see it that way. The broader community see them like this (note: not a reflection of how I see it):

Ebert: poor disposal, not sure if he'll cut it, but could turn out a gun
Masten: ditto
Brown: ditto
Swift: ditto
Waters: Gun player but attrocious disposal. Better backmen around. Backmen are worth 3/5 of FA anyway.
Priddis: ball magnet but not much else.

I'm optimistic about some of the above players but also realistic enough to understand their market value. They are unproven and not worth what their peers such as Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Stephen Hill etc are worth.

 

[bunsen burner]

I wouldn't trade Swift for Rich.

bet you'd trade him for a bagel of smack though.

 

[Obeanie1]

TBH rich's second season was pretty much as good as his first. He was playing in a team that was performing much worse, with a lot more attention than the first season and with a heap of expectation. He was taken with pick 7 in the 2008 super draft and if anything has done much better than expected of a mid first rounder in the first 2 seasons of their careers. I would be very happy to give up 2 mid first rounders or equivalents for him.

If we come 11th this year our first rounder is pick 16. You honestly think you can trade pick 16 for a guy who was a pick seven 3 years before? Especially considering he has won a rising star award and is easily in the top 10 players from his draft so far and would be very close to the top 3-4 most important players to his current club.

It will take our first rounder and a very solid young player at the least. Someone like swift, ebert, masten, shuey or brown. Shit brisbane will probably want 2 first rounders and a player. But yeah continue being delusional people and thinking we can just swap a pick lower than what he was taken with in a compromised draft for a future superstar player.[/quote]


Two first rounders plus a player?

That sounds like the Judd deal.

No one would pay 2 first round picks plus a player for Rich.......... ok maybe like pick 18 + 25 (two compamised draft first round selections) and ....... um say Lynch.....or Nicoski.

Our first rounder plus Shuey?

You sir are dreeeeeeeaming.

 

[WCE_phil]

TBH rich's second season was pretty much as good as his first. He was playing in a team that was performing much worse, with a lot more attention than the first season and with a heap of expectation. He was taken with pick 7 in the 2008 super draft and if anything has done much better than expected of a mid first rounder in the first 2 seasons of their careers. I would be very happy to give up 2 mid first rounders or equivalents for him.

If we come 11th this year our first rounder is pick 16. You honestly think you can trade pick 16 for a guy who was a pick seven 3 years before? Especially considering he has won a rising star award and is easily in the top 10 players from his draft so far and would be very close to the top 3-4 most important players to his current club.

It will take our first rounder and a very solid young player at the least. Someone like swift, ebert, masten, shuey or brown. Shit brisbane will probably want 2 first rounders and a player. But yeah continue being delusional people and thinking we can just swap a pick lower than what he was taken with in a compromised draft for a future superstar player.[/quote]


Two first rounders plus a player?

That sounds like the Judd deal.

No one would pay 2 first round picks plus a player for Rich.......... ok maybe like pick 18 + 25 (two compamised draft first round selections) and ....... um say Lynch.....or Nicoski.

Our first rounder plus Shuey?

You sir are dreeeeeeeaming.

Yes well done. Cut one line out of my post and argue that piece. I'll let history be the argument for me. Brisbane won't get 2 first rounders plus a solid player. They will however get the equivalent of 2 first rounders. The afl would definitely award them a tier 2 compensation pick so at the very least we will have to do better than that. As brisbane are likely to finish bottom four in 2012 thats at the very best case scenario for us a pick around 5.

 

[Jackaaa]

I wonder if Rich is just saying "sort the Fev situation out before we all get completely sick of the situation and go else where."

 

[chardonnay]

I wonder if Rich is just saying "sort the Fev situation out before we all get completely sick of the situation and go else where."

Think GWS & a bag of gold.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Swift deserves another season to get himself right, by the end of the season 2011 if he hasn't then it would be disappointing. Ebert and Masten are on borrowed time hopefully Swifty doesn't join them.

If we can get Rich by trading then these three would be viable sacrifices.

 

[Prem87]

Swift's only been in the season 2 years, by the end of 2011 it's 3.

He's had 2 knee injuries, missed 2 years of football crucial for development from 16-18yrs of age, is KPP height and has a huge neck..Swift doesn't have to prove his worth in just 3 years.

 

[bunsen burner]

Swift's only been in the season 2 years, by the end of 2011 it's 3.

He's had 2 knee injuries, missed 2 years of football crucial for development from 16-18yrs of age, is KPP height and has a huge neck..Swift doesn't have to prove his worth in just 3 years.

I just don't understand this attitude <bangs head against wall>

Your thinking seems to be: "I think Swift will be good therefore trading him is out of the question" which inevitably progresses to "I will rule out trading anyone who is best 22" to "I want to trade in stars but only want to let go duds". You also seem to think people are saying "trade Swift, he's no good". Again, you're seeing from the wrong perspective. The thinking is "If we want Rich we have to pay. We'd like to keep Swift but he's more expendable than say Shuey. So let's give up Swift".

Don't worry, you're not alone. 90% of people think like this. You point it out to them but they just can't free their mind.

 

[bunsen burner]

Swift deserves another season to get himself right,

<bangs head against wall again>

You know we have to give up someone we want to keep right? Deserve has nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with "let's dump Swift, he's not up to it" and more to do with "Which good player do we sacrifice to get Rich to West Coast". Given most feel Shuey, NicNat, Stevens, and Sheperd are off limits, the next cabs off the rank are Swift, Ebert, Brown, and masten. We want to keep them but for Rich we'd give them up. Again, has nothing at all to do with deserve.

 

[WCE_phil]

<bangs head against wall again>

You know we have to give up someone we want to keep right? Deserve has nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with "let's dump Swift, he's not up to it" and more to do with "Which good player do we sacrifice to get Rich to West Coast". Given most feel Shuey, NicNat, Stevens, and Sheperd are off limits, the next cabs off the rank are Swift, Ebert, Brown, and masten. We want to keep them but for Rich we'd give them up. Again, has nothing at all to do with deserve.

Exactly this. Couple one of those next cabs off the rank with a first round draft pick and you have something like what will be required to land rich.

 

[PatWCE]

Trade week has just been and gone.... You're all going too early.

If some players stand up this year, Rich may not look like such an attractive option after all. To the posters saying trade away Swift/Ebert etc... trades are rare and disgruntle playing groups. These players are here to stay it's the draft picks that may be let loose.