Player Watch Darcy Moore

[loki04]

His progress is quite normal. Bursts onto the scene, looks good, opposition sides put the work into him and take his natural game away (in his case a running jump at the ball). Like Hogan last year, he then looks pretty sooky out there and people like me question his attitude, idiot supporters give the kid bronx cheers and smash him on talk back. Its really up to him from here, he needs to work on his game, get stronger and hold his marks on the lead and make his forward play multi dimensional.

But for him to be coping the flack for an under performing side is ridiculous. He really it the outlet for fans frustrations with the overall direction of the club, its far better being directed at those in charge who have left a 20 year old kid as our key forward (amongst other short comings).

Hogan almost kicked 41 goals last year from 74 shots on goal (not including OOBs) ave 7.1 marks a game.

Which was trending up on his previous year 44 goals from 69 shots ave 6.9 marks p/game.

Also has already been established even by Saints fans that the large majority of the jeers were started by Saints fans not sure why people keep pointing the finger fairly and squarely on the pie crowd.

 

[loki04]

The media always have to come out with garbage to stay relevant. Last year they were saying he was the best young key forward in the game. Their jobs revolve around generating discussion, so they make him out to be superman when he is going good and equally they say his terrible when they are going bad

Little bit different coming from a former Line coach.

 

[JB1975]

In a sense, I think that the designation of being a 'no. 1' or a 'no. 2' target is an irrelevant distraction.

Darcy Moore is a key position forward, and he has the ability to be a sublime footballer. I do think that he needs to be freed from the confines of the 50 metre arc as often as possible, and that his best football will come when he can run out a game as strongly as Nick Riewoldt. Once he has an aerobic capacity to match his athletic ability, then he'll be considerably more versatile and far more dangerous.

At the moment his leading patterns are quite predictable and limited. The unfortunate thing is that he's trying to operate in a predictable and limited forward line, with an expectation (even if people deny any such expectation) that he'll be the key target. It isn't too healthy for his development, and he'll be existing in a state of frustration until he gets some help.

 

[Seedsfan]

Little bit different coming from a former Line coach.

Exactly it shows how much we don't rate his opinion that's why he no longer works at Collingwood

 

[loki04]

Exactly it shows how much we don't rate his opinion that's why he no longer works at Collingwood

Only took them 4 years to work it out, eh?

Also no shame in him becoming our CHF.

Not sure why you are getting all worked up over the suggestion he might be more suited to being a 2nd tall fwd.
Rocca and Tarrant for example. Franklin and Roughead.

I do agree with you in terms of being "only" a 3rd tall as wrong and sensationalising it by Loyd.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Ben Heart on Sen also thinks he will become a quality 3rd or 2nd tall. Doesn't sound like he thinks he will be that number 1 banana type either to the point he didn't bother even suggesting it, but said multiple times on him becoming 2nd or 3rd.

At this stage in his career, that's what Moore is. No one can really know for sure how he will go down the track. I think we can all agree that Moore needs assistance from a big body, and that's probably where those comments come from.

 

[Soups]

I'm alright with Moore being number 2 because that means we have found a bloody good player to play number 1.

 

[DaVe86]

In a sense, I think that the designation of being a 'no. 1' or a 'no. 2' target is an irrelevant distraction.

Darcy Moore is a key position forward, and he has the ability to be a sublime footballer. I do think that he needs to be freed from the confines of the 50 metre arc as often as possible, and that his best football will come when he can run out a game as strongly as Nick Riewoldt. Once he has an aerobic capacity to match his athletic ability, then he'll be considerably more versatile and far more dangerous.

At the moment his leading patterns are quite predictable and limited. The unfortunate thing is that he's trying to operate in a predictable and limited forward line, with an expectation (even if people deny any such expectation) that he'll be the key target. It isn't too healthy for his development, and he'll be existing in a state of frustration until he gets some help.

I think it's an irrelevant discussion as well.

Most sides line-up with one "lead-up" type, one bigger bodied type and one who can back-up ruck.

I think Moore has the capacity to become any of these players, but given his current frame he isn't suited to the contested marking role. He is also still developing his art as a lead-up forward.

I think in the future, his best role will actually be as a forward/ruck. His skills below his feet are sublime, he has a huge leap and also is a competitor. Right now he is probably too fragile to ruck, but long term it's a real option.

It gives your team a lot more flexibility if you have a 200cm forward who can ruck. It means you can play one more midfielder as opposed to having to play another backup ruck. Right now we use Jessie White in the role even though he is 197cm flanker.

 

[ottoman]

Plus in the intraclub practice games he was literally invisible.

Literally invisible you say? That's quite an impressive talent.

Sorry Kappa, couldn't resist.

 

[TradeDraft]

I think it's an irrelevant discussion as well.

Most sides line-up with one "lead-up" type, one bigger bodied type and one who can back-up ruck.

I think Moore has the capacity to become any of these players, but given his current frame he isn't suited to the contested marking role. He is also still developing his art as a lead-up forward.

I think in the future, his best role will actually be as a forward/ruck. His skills below his feet are sublime, he has a huge leap and also is a competitor. Right now he is probably too fragile to ruck, but long term it's a real option.

It gives your team a lot more flexibility if you have a 200cm forward who can ruck. It means you can play one more midfielder as opposed to having to play another backup ruck. Right now we use Jessie White in the role even though he is 197cm flanker.

Well then IF he is being the 3rd Forward/Ruck then we now have 2 Find 2 KPF's as well.

I was more thinking that Moore be the Mobile Lead Up Forward in simmlar way to Nick Riewoldt. I have McCarthy possibly becoming that 3rd Tall/Ruck posting

 

[pablo disco bar]

Put him on the wing

 

[sr36]

I think he's a second ruck in the making. An absolutely dominant one.

 

[rand corp]

Moore's NQR for a No.1 forward role just yet, still learning, still developing, I agree with the comment that he would be an ideal third banana at the moment, however, neither Cox nor White really stepping up either and the cupboard is looking damned bare right now.

If we can get more out of Elliot in coming weeks, Fasolo, WHE then the pressure might be eased on Darcy a little. Ried going forward would also help however, that leaves us very light on down back.

 

[regpies]

The ball coming his way is very slow so the opposition get numbers back and when it does arrive it's a junk kick.

I don't understand why this young fwd isn't kicking bags of goals each week....

 

[Rorzza]

I think we are over reacting a little here. Did any one think last year when we lost Cloke that Moore was ready, no! For what it is worth I wouldn't drop him, experience at this level of footy is extremely valuable to young players IMO. Wouldn't mind Bucks throwing him around a little though . No harm in playing him at CHB for a week or two.

 

[swoop42]

While I believe Moore would benefit from being dropped this week I sure as shite aren't writing him off as a key forward into the future.

Does need to bulk up though.

 

[Gone Critical]

I think this was predictable before the season started. Making Darcy the linchpin of the forwardline so young means his output will remain limited for now. He wasn't a high possession high goal kicking forward in previous seasons and with the added pressure it's no surprise his output had dipped even further, hopefully only temorarily.

Still think it was a big mistake to give up on Cloke. He is what Darcy needs running around in the forwardline with him.

 

[TradeDraft]

I think this was predictable before the season started. Making Darcy the linchpin of the forwardline so young means his output will remain limited for now. He wasn't a high possession high goal kicking forward in previous seasons and with the added pressure it's no surprise his output had dipped even further, hopefully only temorarily.

Still think it was a big mistake to give up on Cloke. He is what Darcy needs running around in the forwardline with him.

I did not mind getting Rid of Cloke but the Problem was we brought in Mids when we should of Brought in KPF instead

 

[Seedsfan]

Only took them 4 years to work it out, eh?

Also no shame in him becoming our CHF.

Not sure why you are getting all worked up over the suggestion he might be more suited to being a 2nd tall fwd.
Rocca and Tarrant for example. Franklin and Roughead.

I do agree with you in terms of being "only" a 3rd tall as wrong and sensationalising it by Loyd.

Being a second forward has the implies that you are not good enough to lead a forward line. Roughy may have been number 2 to Buddy but was good enough to be the number one man after Buddy left

 

[ZEV]

In the four rounds we've played so far 4 opposition key forwards have shared between them 15 All Australian positions and 5 coleman medals. Collectively they have kicked 4 goals. Are we sure we really want to load up on more key forwards?

 

[frizzle]

What is the panic with Moore? Kid will be a star. Give him time & support.

 

[Soups]

On the rare occasion I watched 360 last night and they were talking to Tom Lynch and then to Bomber Thompson. The talk was about key forwards taking time and Bomber was saying most key forwards if they have around 30 goals in their first 3 years they are on the right track. Both Lynch and Hawkins both had breakout years the following years.

 

[bresker]

Pardon the intrusion, but he'll be an extremely good player. When he kicked those 5 against the Bulldogs last year.....just an awesome talent.

Funny to see you people say exactly the same things about Moore that we say about Boyd.

'Why can't he do the simple things? How hard is it to get a chest mark? Why can't he lead into positions?'

It's partly because 200cm kids are being asked to run as hard as midfielders and are too knackered to do anything much.

Personally I'd play Moore deeper and drag his defender because he has a tremendous gallop on him. Playing him in the ruck can aid his development but don't expect miracles overnight there either.

Give the kid time. There have been very few 200cm players in the history of the game who have had what he's got.

 

[Prochard123]

Pardon the intrusion, but he'll be an extremely good player. When he kicked those 5 against the Bulldogs last year.....just an awesome talent.

Funny to see you people say exactly the same things about Moore that we say about Boyd.

'Why can't he do the simple things? How hard is it to get a chest mark? Why can't he lead into positions?'

It's partly because 200cm kids are being asked to run as hard as midfielders and are too knackered to do anything much.

Personally I'd play Moore deeper and drag his defender because he has a tremendous gallop on him. Playing him in the ruck can aid his development but don't expect miracles overnight there either.

Give the kid time. There have been very few 200cm players in the history of the game who have had what he's got.

Why play him deep when he's a medicore contested mark due to being slight underweight for a KPF atm?

Surely you play him as a high lead up forward similar to Gunston and N Roo. Get him involved, while letting him put on weight, preparing him for a more goal kicking role.

 

[mike123]

Does more have the tank to play up the ground?