Universal Love David Teague

[JustaBattler]

Teague has beaten three teams inside the top 8 since he has been at the club.

Brisbane, Geelong and Western Bulldogs.

He has made it absolutely abundantly clear - stated specifically - he will not be making a statement at the selection table - and has made it very clear he wont be developing the kids.

I like Teague and think he is one of our better and more enlightened choices in 21 years - but he has some very, VERY serious flaws and he needs to be confronted and either forced to accept he has short comings, or if he can not do that - shown the door.

Why ?

Because failing to develop the kids costs us as a club even after he is gone. They will start walking - we will lose Obrien, Dow, SPS - all of whom are fine players - due to his determination to play Gibbons, Cas, Newnes.

Great coach who is at the start of his career who needs to accept he has some short comings.

Watch todays VFL game two of those three are showing nothingand th other one came in and played a half of rubbish tonight. Our weak relative to the better midfields was exposed again tonight - in the last quarter.

 

[gbatman]

We desperately need some fresh ideas regarding the midfield, how we setup doesn't provide any pressure or contest at all. We let the opposition out easily and without an ability to apply pressure.

New midfield coach is a must.

 

[17SetMeFree]

We desperately need some fresh ideas regarding the midfield, how we setup doesn't provide any pressure or contest at all. We let the opposition out easily and without an ability to apply pressure.

New midfield coach is a must.

The connundrum is, no assistant worth his salt will come unless the could sniff they'd be in line for a senior job.
Teague doesnt lead this pack of wolves. His schtick was a point of difference that hasnt evolved since he took over from bolton
a win/loss so poor, and untenable, he won the job by default on just letting the players play instinctively and removing shackles , delivering at 50% +/-
Now that he has to build on that and insert discipline , ingenuity ingame, this exposed his short comings .
That benching of cripps, it seems an assistant was delivering a message to him, where it should have been the coach.

So dangerous, we have a batch of young players, too good for the 2's , not ready or in and out of the seniors and some
pedigree stallions, going lame and will become uninterested, all at the same time. This perfect storm is a generation killer for a club.
It needs to be dealt with, fast

 

[Ricky Mott]

As usual our supporters are quick to turn on the coach, while the players continue to get a pass mark & no doubt applause from supporters as they left the ground after today's 'honourable' loss.

Where is our onfield leadership? Cripps would appear to have checked out. Doc will be a good coach, but doesn't provide much leadership on the field. Give the captaincy to someone who knows how to lead. Someone who can recognise the onfield signs of a drop in effort & get around the players & also let their own actions show the way.

13 of today's 22 were in the 22 in Bolton's last game as coach when the Dopers touched us up. A further 4 of that 22 were running around in the VFL today. How many more coaches will they be allowed to kill before there is some accountability for their inability to perform consistently during a game, let alone through a whole season?

If the club sacks another coach, that will be my membership done. It is not the answer.

Get ready to rip up your membership then.
Teague and assistants out the door and it won’t just stop there.

 

[Iamcarlton]

As usual our supporters are quick to turn on the coach, while the players continue to get a pass mark & no doubt applause from supporters as they left the ground after today's 'honourable' loss.

Where is our onfield leadership? Cripps would appear to have checked out. Doc will be a good coach, but doesn't provide much leadership on the field. Give the captaincy to someone who knows how to lead. Someone who can recognise the onfield signs of a drop in effort & get around the players & also let their own actions show the way.

13 of today's 22 were in the 22 in Bolton's last game as coach when the Dopers touched us up. A further 4 of that 22 were running around in the VFL today. How many more coaches will they be allowed to kill before there is some accountability for their inability to perform consistently during a game, let alone through a whole season?

If the club sacks another coach, that will be my membership done. It is not the answer.

Yes leadership is clearly poor but we keep losing games the same way in 1 quarter of footy not even that .
Its not a small sample size now 36 games from Teague i believe just over season and a half .
Surely a coach wants his side to be able to win games playing different ways we just cant seem to arrest momentum of the opposition in periods of most games .
And he seems to keep beating the same drum just move it fast .
Where is the defensive mechanisms the tempo shifts from our midfield in particular and where is the forward pressure ? .
These are all coaching issues in particular and Teague and co just cant seem to find the answers .
Certainly not sure about sacking him but he'll want to and should be held accountable if we keep losing games this way till seasons end .

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

Watch todays VFL game two of those three are showing nothingand th other one came in and played a half of rubbish tonight. Our weak relative to the better midfields was exposed again tonight - in the last quarter.

I've watched everything they have done this year and one average game does not negate their entire year - your comment could not be further from the truth in my view.

 

[jackn]

Hope the club gets around Teague this week the narrative is already starting against him. He didn't lose this game the experience and highly paid players did. Teague believes in this group and the players are letting him down with a quarter like that.

At some stage the players have to acknowledge they control their and the teams destiny. Walsh and Weitering should be giving weekly PD's until the rest of the playing group can catch up.

Just wondering, who picks these players each week?

 

[NYCFC]

Supporters calling for the coach's head when things aren't going well is a pretty predictable response, but it's hard to blame people. We can see for ourselves that the playing group isn't delivering, but the reality is we know that for the short term at least we're stuck with the group we have.

So the question is: are we getting the most out of the list? And if not, who do you blame?

The reality is you look at everyone in the club who influences the success of the group, and the individuals within it. Fitness staff, psychologists, line coaches, development coaches, the senior coach.

Most especially, you look at the head of football. People look at the success of Hardwick, but would he have been able to do that without Balme?

Balme moves to Collingwood, almost immediately they make grand finals only losing to the insanely dominant Brisbane. He moves to Geelong, almost immediately they win Premierships. He moves to Richmond, almost immediately they win Premierships).

Culture starts at the top.

If culture is the problem, you can't expect to replace the senior coach and get a different response beyond a very short term bounce.

I may be showing my age, but I think that there needs to be a little fear in order to drive success in a performance industry. Not fear of failure, but fear of giving less than your best. Fear of how your colleagues and bosses will respond to you if you're, in any way, taking the piss or cutting corners.

You can have that fear within a culture that is otherwise respectful and caring. I know that's my professional experience, at least.

But from the outside, I really get the sense that the CFC is a place where you can give less than your absolute best and get away with it. And that always starts at the top. Senior players. Head coach. Head of football. President.

If I was a free agent who wanted above all to win a Premiership, Carlton is one of the last places I'd want to be. Good place to ride out the last 4-6 years of your career though.

Replacing Teague without looking very hard at everyone in a leadership position in the club won't achieve much.

(Having said that, I think he's out of his depth at this level at this point in his career. But imo, he's been set up to fail. I doubt the coach exists who could single-handedly drag this club up the ladder).

 

[Lace_Out]

Can't help but feel sorry for him with the injuries his side has had to carry.

But, so many heavy swings is a real problem, it has now become a bad habit.


When is he out of contract again?

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[Accidental genius]

Supporters calling for the coach's head when things aren't going well is a pretty predictable response, but it's hard to blame people. We can see for ourselves that the playing group isn't delivering, but the reality is we know that for the short term at least we're stuck with the group we have.

So the question is: are we getting the most out of the list? And if not, who do you blame?

The reality is you look at everyone in the club who influences the success of the group, and the individuals within it. Fitness staff, psychologists, line coaches, development coaches, the senior coach.

Most especially, you look at the head of football. People look at the success of Hardwick, but would he have been able to do that without Balme?

If culture is the problem, you can't expect to replace the senior coach and get a different response beyond a very short term bounce.

I may be showing my age, but I think that there needs to be a little fear in order to drive success in a performance industry. Not fear of failure, but fear of giving less than your best. Fear of how your colleagues and bosses will respond to you if you're, in any way, taking the piss.

You can have that fear within a culture that is otherwise respectful and caring. I know that's my professional experience anyway.

But from the outside, I really get the sense that the CFC is a place where you can give less than your absolute best and get away with it. And that always starts at the top. Senior players. Head coach. Head of football. President.

If I was a free agent who wanted above all to win a Premiership, Carlton is almost the last place I'd want to be. Good place to ride out the last 4-6 years of your career though.

Replacing Teague without looking very hard at everyone in a leadership position in the club won't achieve much.

(Having said that, I think he's out of his depth at this level at this point in his career. But imo, he's been set up to fail. I doubt the coach exists who could single-handedly drag this club up the ladder).

Great post. Absolutely 100% correct.

 

[Abers]

I seem to see a lot of posts suggesting the assistants are the problem and not Teague. Surely a big part of Teague’s role is to manage the assistants. If they are not up to it then that’s on him.

 

[smashbox gill]

If Teague was to go, who could we get. There’s not many on the market, and not sure we could go untried again.

Ross Lyon: can get a lot out of a list, and will bring some hardness

Voss: is he worth another shot?

Clarko: the Carlton way, but could this be another Malthouse? Godfather salary needed

Would have loved a strategy based coach instead of Teague initially. Justin Longmuir was praised for this in his past roles. Freo got a good one

 

[Poorman53]

Just wondering, who picks these players each week?

Keep wondering and you should be able to work that one out yourself.

 

[Poorman53]

I seem to see a lot of posts suggesting the assistants are the problem and not Teague. Surely a big part of Teague’s role is to manage the assistants. If they are not up to it then that’s on him.

There is a thing called contracts and not to mention the cap.

 

[Davey33]

If Teague was to go, who could we get. There’s not many on the market, and not sure we could go untried again.

Ross Lyon: can get a lot out of a list, and will bring some hardness

Voss: is he worth another shot?

Clarko: the Carlton way, but could this be another Malthouse? Godfather salary needed

Would have loved a strategy based coach instead of Teague initially. Justin Longmuir was praised for this in his past roles. Freo got a good one

Watching Ross Lyon on Footy Classified he sounds insightful and right on the mark.
He is clearly very astute and a good understanding of what's going on.
As he said, Walsh, Weitering , Mckay- we have stars on every line. The spine is there- the question is the development of players around them.
Ross is positive, brings years of real experience and would probably be a good get.

But who knows if he can come in before all those players abandon ship.....

 

[SurreyBlue]

Since we are discussing coach - what are people thinking about the 'master' coach?
Yes, he has injuries but so do other teams and you cannot say he doesn't have experience in the team.
Have the assistance (Fagan & Noble) he lost over the past few years impacted him?
So how good is the 'master'?

IMO - Players make coaches but line coaches have a big say!!!

 

[tarczonandjane]

Re Teague’s demeanour, can I just say that at the time of his appointment, the club were quite public that one of the things they liked about him was his lack of emotion in the coaching box (certainly compared to Bolton).

I don’t have strong thoughts either way on how he looks when he’s coaching. But I don’t remember any complaints around here at the time that the club was wrong to be looking at a coach who didn’t show emotion.

 

[Bokan]

Watch todays VFL game two of those three are showing nothingand th other one came in and played a half of rubbish tonight. Our weak relative to the better midfields was exposed again tonight - in the last quarter.

To be fair to dow and O'Brien, they have been much much better in the other VFL games, this was a clear anomaly. (Also sps played a quarter not a half fwiw)

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[Bokan]

Re Teague’s demeanour, can I just say that at the time of his appointment, the club were quite public that one of the things they liked about him was his lack of emotion in the coaching box (certainly compared to Bolton).

I don’t have strong thoughts either way on how he looks when he’s coaching. But I don’t remember any complaints around here at the time that the club was wrong to be looking at a coach who didn’t show emotion.

Wasn't it just last week Teague was getting absolutely slammed on here for showing too much emotion at the end of the game?

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[Gavstar]

Based on his performance today in the reserves against Footscray, Setterfield definitely should not get a game next week. He is fighting for his spot on the list IMO.

Thought Setters, Kennedy and LOB might be losing a bit of hope in the reserves after a stringing together good games they don't get a look in.

 

[Magruder]

Re Teague’s demeanour, can I just say that at the time of his appointment, the club were quite public that one of the things they liked about him was his lack of emotion in the coaching box (certainly compared to Bolton).

I don’t have strong thoughts either way on how he looks when he’s coaching. But I don’t remember any complaints around here at the time that the club was wrong to be looking at a coach who didn’t show emotion.

Calm dispassionate is fine
Inaction is not

we looked adrift after JSOS went off and the box looked bemused rather than desperate to find a response to the Dogs getting on top

 

[JustaBattler]

To be fair to dow and O'Brien, they have been much much better in the other VFL games, this was a clear anomaly. (Also sps played a quarter not a half fwiw)

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Parsons is our best mid in VFL -by a lot. Dow/LoB/Setterfield were disgraceful yesterday if the benchmark is AFL standards - disgraceful against doggies their kids and ring-ins into their VFL side. In fact TDK was a better mid than any of them - I'm over the lot of them tbh.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Can anyone imagine any coach actually wanting to come to Carlton if Teague was sacked?

Teague who was appointed on the back of supporters basically demanding he get the job, to being sacked in barely more than a year's time again at the whim of the supporter base (who also managed to get the last half-dozen coaches sacked too).

Any prospective coach would know there would be highs & lows, and that those lows would get you sacked at Carlton. This poisonous supporter base makes it an impossible job to accept.

 

[jj1978]

Watched the 11 minute post game interview... notice how he keeps pinching and rubbing his neck.. body language would say stress, nervous, uncomfortable. The pressure is building up on him (welcome to coaching Teague) and he knows he's in the headlights. He's another table break away from losing the precious ones on the list me thinks.

 

[TENACIOUS]

We desperately need some fresh ideas regarding the midfield, how we setup doesn't provide any pressure or contest at all. We let the opposition out easily and without an ability to apply pressure.

New midfield coach is a must.

All for a clean out of assistant coaches..
But, how are they going to change our outcome, when they are bound to follow Teague's vision, game plan and ideals..
Changing assistants may not change our results a great deal, if at all..