David Warner

[the_interloper]

I've heard a few people compare the difference between how Smith is being thought of and Warner, basically people forgive Smith and don't forgive Warner, some have suggested double standards. The difference is that Smith's repentance seems genuine, when I watched him in that press conference it was incredibly difficult to watch, it was genuine emotion and he was being authentic. Warner's appeared stage managed to the hilt, I didn't believe he was being authentic one bit, crocodile tears etc.

I may be stating the obvious but the difference between the two was vast I think.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I don’t want Warner or Smith representing the country again

They are cheats

 

[Xtreme]

I've heard a few people compare the difference between how Smith is being thought of and Warner, basically people forgive Smith and don't forgive Warner, some have suggested double standards. The difference is that Smith's repentance seems genuine, when I watched him in that press conference it was incredibly difficult to watch, it was genuine emotion and he was being authentic. Warner's appeared stage managed to the hilt, I didn't believe he was being authentic one bit, crocodile tears etc.

Oh please Smith was crying because his actions could cause him to lose millions!

 

[Gough]

Oh please Smith was crying because his actions could cause him to lose millions!

I hope Steve Smith might learn from his experience, Warner doesn't look like he will.

 

[the_interloper]

Oh please Smith was crying because his actions could cause him to lose millions!

Possibly, I don't know him so you might be right. I just took it as a bloke who ****ed up and was devastated about it all, particularly having to face everyone with his old man there. He could be a great actor of course, I just don't think he has that many levels to him.

I hope Steve Smith might learn from his experience, Warner doesn't look like he will.

I agree.

 

[Whiskers]

Possibly, I don't know him so you might be right. I just took it as a bloke who ****** up and was devastated about it all, particularly having to face everyone with his old man there. He could be a great actor of course, I just don't think he has that many levels to him.



I agree.

I agree with your summation on Smith. He isn’t acting, he was just a soft/weak leader who felt like he had let everyone down.
I empathise with him and will accept him back. It’ll make him stronger and will have learnt a lesson, but I’m glad they all got hefty suspensions.

 

[Xtreme]

I hope Steve Smith might learn from his experience, Warner doesn't look like he will.

Smith has the chance of redemption

I think Warner is too much of a nuffy to get it

 

[gordo2016]

Real cricket fans? Spare me

Greg Chappell was called a disgrace after the under arm incident, two weeks later he received a standing ovation after making runs in a one dayer. The same thing will happen with Warner. Cant wait to see Davey back where he belongs, making runs for Australia.

 

[Spook]

Aussie crowds will not give it to him mate. One decent score when he comes back and he will be a hero. The opinions of a few chumps on Big Footy is hardly an indication of how the Nation feels about him. Real cricket fans will open him back with open arms.

A “hero” hey....... you really think so.

 

[Falcon27]

I've heard a few people compare the difference between how Smith is being thought of and Warner, basically people forgive Smith and don't forgive Warner, some have suggested double standards. The difference is that Smith's repentance seems genuine, when I watched him in that press conference it was incredibly difficult to watch, it was genuine emotion and he was being authentic. Warner's appeared stage managed to the hilt, I didn't believe he was being authentic one bit, crocodile tears etc.

I may be stating the obvious but the difference between the two was vast I think.

Thought both pressers were of b grade movie status. Smith literally rolling around as though he’s in physical pain trying to sell his agony to the public, and Warner barely been able to resight the same sentence over and over again.

Warner has always acted like a petulant brat, and his actions on the weekend has just reaffirmed this.

 

[sherb]

I've always viewed Warner as having immense talent with the bat, whilst having pretty much a vacuum between his ears.

 

[medusala]

They will both be back almost instantly. But expect Warner to be on a tight leash and further suspension handed down if he fails to live up to the mark.

Very much doubt Warner will ever play for Australia again.

Leopard.

Aussie crowds will not give it to him mate. One decent score when he comes back and he will be a hero. The opinions of a few chumps on Big Footy is hardly an indication of how the Nation feels about him. Real cricket fans will open him back with open arms.

Real cricket fans have long been sick of the stupid little campaigner. He's a national embarrassment and he can Foxtrot Oscar.

If you think its only BF "chumps" who cant stand the bloke, I suggest you get out a bit more.

 

[JackOutback]

Warner has form.
Smith has ticked every box he can to get where he is. Ironically was gifted a spot as a bowler without doing squat to earn it but went away and turned himself into a run making machine. He’s had a good behavioural history, he’s early into his captaincy, and it’s been generally acknowledged that, while his non-actions at cape town were spineless, he wasn’t a driving factor in what happened. Warner has been on the edge of a major fall his whole career. He didn’t really pay his dues to get into the test side, most of his career has been based around stuffing his pockets with home town runs each summer and living off them for the next nine months aside from the odd sporadic appearance in the runs column in SA, he’s a noted f***head, by all accounts he actively encouraged a young teammate to cheat having not had the balls to do it himself, he nearly caused a corridor brawl with the opposition because he could give it but not take it - you didn’t see QDK trying to attack Warner in there. Smith has also never had to be disciplined for throwing a punch at an opponent in public.


I think I can see why the redemption narrative applies to one and not the other

Of course the narrative makes sense if you blindly accept the CA spin cycle. Yes, Warner had more form, but The story of ‘a little boy lost who was bullied by the villain Warner’ is just that: a story. Both put on a stage managed presser, both shed crocodile tears, one was accepted unquestioningly because CA had already taken charge of the show.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Steve Smith also isn’t a repeat offender in the shit bloke and controversy categories. I don’t think he has whacked an opposition player in a bar before or barked at a foreign player to “speak English”.

I’m not blind to the fact that Warner could have been or will be set up as a scapegoat, but prior form is prior form. He is a terrible representative of Australia.

 

[FRUMPY]

I thought half of the aussie supporters disliked warner before the SA tour anyway because he is a w***er of the highest order? Then the DeCock incident followed by ball tampering, followed by the way he acted to the media and interviews etc. He has lost the majority.

Just hoping he never makes it back, and definitely no more OLED tv ads from a bloke who can hardly string 2 words together

 

[FRUMPY]

The jump he did after scoring a century on day 5 at the scg against the West Indies after the first four days had basically been rained out was a bit of a tipping point for me

Watch cricket back in the 80's or 90's and player hits a hundred, raises his bat and gets on with it. These days blokes run half the oval and take 5-10mins to get back to playing. So much me, me, me, me.

I can understand if its on the way to a historic win etc but blokes do it when they are going to lose or a meaningless draw

 

[Gough]

I've always viewed Warner as having immense talent with the bat, whilst having pretty much a vacuum between his ears.

Incredible eye and a big bat. Not to shitcan a bloke with his record but he's 31 which can be the age guys like him start to get found out a bit and the flaws in the technique particularly around footwork start to become problems. It's possible that we might have seen the best of him regardless of what happens after this.

 

[PhatBoy]

Of course the narrative makes sense if you blindly accept the CA spin cycle. Yes, Warner had more form, but The story of ‘a little boy lost who was bullied by the villain Warner’ is just that: a story. Both put on a stage managed presser, both shed crocodile tears, one was accepted unquestioningly because CA had already taken charge of the show.

No, one was accepted unquestioningly because his career pattern of behaviour suggests that this whole episode and whatever role he played in it was a complete aberration. With the other, it confirmed that a lengthy sequence of past actions were in keeping with what everyone thought about him.

There’s no story about smith being a little boy lost. The story is about a captain who virtually by accident found out that two teammates had concocted a plan to cheat and simply ignored it.

 

[JackOutback]

Steve Smith also isn’t a repeat offender in the shit bloke and controversy categories. I don’t think he has whacked an opposition player in a bar before or barked at a foreign player to “speak English”.

I’m not blind to the fact that Warner could have been or will be set up as a scapegoat, but prior form is prior form. He is a terrible representative of Australia.

This is basically my position. Given his form and reputation in cricket circles, I’m not surprised Warner is being used as a scapegoat to protect the career and reputation of Smith. But I’m still not comfortable with scapegoating of any kind and Smith getting a free pass to redemption with what I think is a bullshit narrative.

No, one was accepted unquestioningly because his career pattern of behaviour suggests that this whole episode and whatever role he played in it was a complete aberration. With the other, it confirmed that a lengthy sequence of past actions were in keeping with what everyone thought about him.

There’s no story about smith being a little boy lost. The story is about a captain who virtually by accident found out that two teammates had concocted a plan to cheat and simply ignored it.

This is where we differ. I don’t for a second accept the story that poor naive Smiff was blindsided by big bad Davey’s cheating. Smith is the captain, the cricket field ain’t that big. Warner has decided to keep his mouth shut in the slim hope of salvaging his career. But the truth will out eventually. That’s what’s going to make the inevitable redemption story more pathetic.

 

[Spook]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...e/news-story/1ed4753cccaeb7c1d283a072bec28fa6
This is a good read wrt to the Australian team and Australian players thinking they are bigger than the game itself. During the review only 14 of 48 current Australian cricket players completed the survey. Just three of nine former players submitted their surveys.

Also a quote from Paine “We got a little bit wrapped up in our own self-importance…it’s not our cricket team, it’s Australia’s cricket team,”
A great example of how the current admin and current cricketers don’t give a f about the pUblic is the bloody huge sight screens they have now. I’m a WACA member and now you can hardly get a decent seat relatively behind the bowlers arm and have a beer. (Second tier is alcohol free).
So including the public stand at the northern end we have lost about 8 bays of the best seating. And about half the bar viewing in the members.

 

[Socrates2]

The question is what sort of bloke, gets his wife to embarrass Phil Hughes' brother in the national media, for no good reason?

 

[PhatBoy]

This is basically my position. Given his form and reputation in cricket circles, I’m not surprised Warner is being used as a scapegoat to protect the career and reputation of Smith. But I’m still not comfortable with scapegoating of any kind and Smith getting a free pass to redemption with what I think is a bullshit narrative.


This is where we differ. I don’t for a second accept the story that poor naive Smiff was blindsided by big bad Davey’s cheating. Smith is the captain, the cricket field ain’t that big. Warner has decided to keep his mouth shut in the slim hope of salvaging his career. But the truth will out eventually. That’s what’s going to make the inevitable redemption story more pathetic.

Crash Craddock isn’t exactly Charles Dickens but he also has good sources and knows what’s going on most of the time and his understanding is that Warner and Bancroft hatched the idea, Smith got wind that something was afoot and basically said that he didn’t want to know about it and washed his hands of it.


Again, whether that’s true or not is irrelevant to whether he’s as deserving of redemption as Warner. If you f*** up once, of course the narrative is different to someone who is continually doing it. Sport, and general social rules and regulations are built on the same guidelines.

 

[corbies]

The question is what sort of bloke, gets his wife to embarrass Phil Hughes' brother in the national media, for no good reason?

How did he get his wife to do it? She's a regular panelist on the show.

 

[Socrates2]

How did he get his wife to do it? She's a regular panelist on the show.

It'sWarner who is at fault, why denigrate Hughes brother.Maybe he's looking for publicity for a book or his Instagram account

 

[Spook]

This is basically my position. Given his form and reputation in cricket circles, I’m not surprised Warner is being used as a scapegoat to protect the career and reputation of Smith.

As you said given his “form” then is he a scapegoat? How else are they meant to judge him? Form is form, his previous actions are his actions, his previous behaviour record is his behaviour record, what else should he be judged on?