David Warner

[Rumblah#16]

Cricket Australia are essentially rewarding flash in the pan innings'. We're headed down the path of England circa late 90's, early 00's.

 

[no_remorse28]

No, I don't think Marsh is. From the squad we have picked, he is the most likely to succeed though.

In a perfect world, Khawaja moves to 3 and Ponting drops to 6. That means Khawaja can continue to develop at 3, where he will bat long-term. Punter drops to six and can concentrate on building the innings, with hopefully a bit less stress.

That's in a perfect world, unfortunately we do not live in one. I agree they're a better unit, that's obvious. My problem is with Warner being in the squad, it signals that they think he's a prospect for the future, which includes Ashes and series against South Africa.

I just don't see him as the guy to save us being 5 down for peanuts, that's all.

Agree with the points, I think Ponting should make the drop as well for the benefit of Khawaja's game. My only argument is he put his hand up through the "A" series and was rewarded, really in a perfect world this is what should be happening. He was picked to represent and did it at a highly efficient level, batting for long periods and hitting the ball along the ground. Maybe I have just seen more of his FC exploits in his career so far to judge him this way, but he is a far different batsmen to what we see in shorter formats.

In the end Marsh will clearly play and may also be a bat off for future tests V Khawaja, even as early as the 3rd when Ponting is back. I just don't think Marsh is the answer probably as much as you don't Warner.

Preferably Chris Lynn is my clear cut Favorite after 650 runs at 54 this past Shield season and is who I would of liked to of seen sent, but didn't get on the "A" tour and Warner made his case there. I believe it is just us trying to already install the Pommy system, we already stated the A squad will play a lot more cricket together and the next players will come directly from that.

For now it is what it is, Doubt either of us can change our mind haha

 

[no_remorse28]

Cricket Australia are essentially rewarding flash in the pan innings'. We're headed down the path of England circa late 90's, early 00's.

I think they are more so trying to follow England's current formula, there Lions team play a heap of cricket now, Played in the Windies FC season, host plenty of tours to. So the next best are ready to go. Our "A" side will see its schedule packed out soon to so it is clearer for players to stake there claims. For now Warner done that, but in the future I expect big time Competitiveness when results for our 2nd's will be your best bet of getting a call up. England currently do it very well and like evreything in life we are trying to be like the bets, as hard as that is to say.

 

[Rumblah#16]

Agree with the points, I think Ponting should make the drop as well for the benefit of Khawaja's game. My only argument is he put his hand up through the "A" series and was rewarded, really in a perfect world this is what should be happening. He was picked to represent and did it at a highly efficient level, batting for long periods and hitting the ball along the ground. Maybe I have just seen more of his FC exploits in his career so far to judge him this way, but he is a far different batsmen to what we see in shorter formats.

In the end Marsh will clearly play and may also be a bat off for future tests V Khawaja, even as early as the 3rd when Ponting is back. I just don't think Marsh is the answer probably as much as you don't Warner.

Preferably Chris Lynn is my clear cut Favorite after 650 runs at 54 this past Shield season and is who I would of liked to of seen sent, but didn't get on the "A" tour and Warner made his case there. I believe it is just us trying to already install the Pommy system, we already stated the A squad will play a lot more cricket together and the next players will come directly from that.

For now it is what it is, Doubt either of us can change our mind haha

I think you're right there. I just don't see how 9 FC matches is enough experience to represent your country at the highest level. Sure, him playing is very unlikely. But if we have a late injury to any of the batsman, then he is next in line. That is my problem with this whole scenario.

 

[krisholio14]

Granted, but as I have been saying why have an "A" squad if the best performed doesn't get rewarded

That's what i'm not understanding here.

One of the complaints the Aussie fans on this board in recent years has been the selectors not picking guys in form.

Now they pick a guy who has been in the best form of his career, and they are throwing the toys out of the cot?

 

[no_remorse28]

I think you're right there. I just don't see how 9 FC matches is enough experience to represent your country at the highest level. Sure, him playing is very unlikely. But if we have a late injury to any of the batsman, then he is next in line. That is my problem with this whole scenario.

Maybe the fact he bowls the occasional Leggies is why he got a call up in under 10 FC games, our selectors like a "potential" spinner with no experience haha. I agree its hard to justify, but he made the runs and I think that is what they went by, The near Future when the "A" squad is full of talent vying for the next level im sure we will see some real quality arise from it.

 

[Gazza_11]

You wouldn't think that 4 FC matches was enough to pick Nathan Lyon. But he's taken 5 on debut.

Oh and there was this bloke named Shane Warne who was picked after 7 FC games. He went alright.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Good call up, he's in form so why the hell not?

As an above poster said, people have been bitching for a few years now about not rewarding form...now they have, and people are still whinging.

I think this complaining culture is a bit of an epidemic that has come from the past few years failures. Hopefully these 'fans' can harden up and start to support the team again soon.

 

[Rumblah#16]

You wouldn't think that 4 FC matches was enough to pick Nathan Lyon. But he's taken 5 on debut.

Oh and there was this bloke named Shane Warne who was picked after 7 FC games. He went alright.

There's a difference between our batting stocks and our spinner stocks. That's the point.

 

[krisholio14]

There's a difference between our batting stocks and our spinner stocks. That's the point.

Warner is one of the most talented batsmen in the country.

A couple of cricket judges whose opinions I note and respect, said to me about 18 months ago that Warner was the best hitter of a ball they'd seen since Viv Richards.

At first I laffed, but on thinking about it later, in terms of pure hitting, they probably weren't far off the mark.

I think he's been unfairly pigeonholed, and as I said earlier, since he's been given a real go at first class level he's making big runs against decent attacks on their pitches.

Sure, you might like him to play another 20 games and 'prove' himself, but why? He's a prodigious talent who is in red hot form, why shouldn't he be given a go? The Aussie selectors have promoted batsmen of far less talent with comparable experience in the past.

 

[Gazza_11]

The thing with most people on here is that they assume just because you slog the ball it's going to get you out in test cricket.

It doesn't work like that.

Would you rather someone who's going to score 100 off 75 balls, in the first innings, or 60 off 120? I'd take the former, personally.

And Warner's FC SR is about 70 at any rate. It's just that he also has that extra gear which is undoubtedly very useful in tests as well as ODIs and T20s. Anyone who can strike the ball well is going to score runs and Warner certainly can.

 

[krisholio14]

The thing with most people on here is that they assume just because you slog the ball it's going to get you out in test cricket.

It doesn't work like that.

Would you rather someone who's going to score 100 off 75 balls, in the first innings, or 60 off 120? I'd take the former, personally.

And Warner's FC SR is about 70 at any rate. It's just that he also has that extra gear which is undoubtedly very useful in tests as well as ODIs and T20s. Anyone who can strike the ball well is going to score runs and Warner certainly can.

Think Dilshan for starters.

 

[Gazza_11]

Hughes was picked after far more FC experience and he hasn't necessarily turned out well.

 

[The_Reaper]

Warner started off as nothing more than a slogger which is why NSW didn't give him a run.

By all accounts he finally decided that he wants to play test cricket and has knuckled down and attempted to fix his batting.

Has the talent to be a good player for Australia and I'm not opposed to him touring when he isn't going to play. Will give him encouragement to go back to shield cricket and score runs over the course of the season.

 

[sherb]

That's what i'm not understanding here.

One of the complaints the Aussie fans on this board in recent years has been the selectors not picking guys in form.

Now they pick a guy who has been in the best form of his career, and they are throwing the toys out of the cot?

The "best form" of a 9 game first-class career isn't a significant sample size to be honest.

 

[sherb]

Would you rather someone who's going to score 100 off 75 balls, in the first innings, or 60 off 120? I'd take the former, personally.

I'd take either, provided it was someone who actually placed a value on his wicket. Because they seem to be at a premium in our test side at the moment.

 

[Rumblah#16]

The thing with most people on here is that they assume just because you slog the ball it's going to get you out in test cricket.

It doesn't work like that.

Would you rather someone who's going to score 100 off 75 balls, in the first innings, or 60 off 120? I'd take the former, personally.

And Warner's FC SR is about 70 at any rate. It's just that he also has that extra gear which is undoubtedly very useful in tests as well as ODIs and T20s. Anyone who can strike the ball well is going to score runs and Warner certainly can.

I'd take the 60 from 120 because for Warner to get 100 from 75 means he was dropped at least three times.

 

[Kurtley Beale]

He has been in very good form lately,
A good selection if you ask me.

 

[4evablues]

Still unsure!! Throw him in and let's see how he performs. I like him but not sure about the 5 day formatt for him!!

 

[krisholio14]

The "best form" of a 9 game first-class career isn't a significant sample size to be honest.

It's the same sample size people are using to pot him.

Most of these same people don't think he's good enough to play the longer form of the game. Yet now he is, and has made excellent runs against international attacks on foreign wickets.

He's answering the questions on him, and for a guy with his kind of talent, there is absolutely no harm in giving him a taste of the big time.

 

[whats_at_stake]

To be fair I doubt Warner will bat like he does in Twenty20's and ODI's in a Test match. Sehwag has a lower strike rate in Test cricket and is more selective as I would expect Warner to be. The issue though is you cannot have two many of the inconsistent types in the team. I can only see two spots between Watson, Hughes and Warner and Watson is a must in.

 

[demon21]

If warner is the best batsman outside the current line up with have in the longer forum of the game we are in massive trouble.

 

[The 747]

If warner is the best batsman outside the current line up with have in the longer forum of the game we are in massive trouble.

We are in massive trouble.

There is very little quality batting pushing for a Test spot. ODI's we have loads of guys, not so Test cricket. Except the fat guy we are not going to pick even though he is Test class.

Have no issue with the selection, was our best performed batsman on the A tour, is in form, deserves a shot. I didn't think he deserved a spot in the A team on merit but he got one and took his chance. Sick of blokes getting a go because they are "next in line", we should promote guys who can make runs when the heat is on for a place and are in form at the time.

 

[swingdog]

In other possible batting news, interesting to see Andrew McDonald finish the English summer so strongly.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him give it a shake at number 6 soon.

 

[dan warna]

In other possible batting news, interesting to see Andrew McDonald finish the English summer so strongly.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him give it a shake at number 6 soon.

he would only need 1 game in NSW colours for auto selection...