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Davo-27 said:
Its really rare finding pressure forwards, most want to be opportunist forwards, I have not seen a pressure forward since Kysiah Pickett in under 18 footy, maybe Maurice Rioli Jnr last year that's about it and he was a mid draft option, this year maybe Isaiah Dudley could be an option but he is Adelaide NGA and I'm not too sure on his level of talent yet, this year NGAs are in the open draft inside the top 20 picks so if he does show signs of being a pressure forward someone might pick him up? But at this stage I think he is more an opportunist small forward.

Maybe there's a pressure forward in the state leagues like how we found Poppy? But they are a very rare commodity.
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As much talent as Kysiah and almost anyone in SA this year bar Horne and Roberts but zero application and clubs are well aware. Freakish talent though when we wants to play.
 
THE_GUN said:
Van Rooyen or Williams

which becomes the better CHF/FF

Which gets selected first
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That question will be answered at the champs later in the year, JVR has been playing WAFL seniors and has suffered glandular fever, he is the more athletic lead all day KPF, while Jack Williams seems a bit stronger and has been playing WAFL Colts with a good record so far, so will be interesting to see them play on the same level, I'm also keen on seeing Jye Amiss, Bazzo and Polson play at a higher level.

As for JVR possibly developing as a defender?, I don't know the answer to that sorry, I could speculate, but I try and be as accurate as I can be.
 
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Liking Finn Callaghans game so far in the first quarter, in the right places off the ball, good contested footy

For Sandringham, 23 as a small forward is doing ok, 32 is a young tall looking ok for Sandy, Max Heath running around as a tall forw, kicked a goal and in the ruck a little around the ground, For Eastern Tyreece Lieu is looking more confident off the back of his vfl experience.

Pretty scrappy game, they are looking rusty after the lock down break.
 
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Top 20 update

1. Jason Horne - i still have him as pick 1, i just like his physicality and readiness that he has shown in the sanfl, he could have better production to make it a certainty, i have a funny feeling Daicos might be bid at pick 1 anyway as a way to make them pay and theres very little between them so i think its the most likely outcome (Daicos being bid at 1 even though he isnt the clear best, similar to how JUH wasnt clear best and went at 1 imo)

2. Nick Daicos - love his production, whether it be NAB League, school footy or the VFL game, he hunts the ball and is clean with disposal, he is also impressive at goal kicking, has few flaws and will likely be bid at 1 as i have previously pointed out as he is on equal standing with Horne imo and North would be happy with either.

this is where it gets complicated because there is a group of guys who could go from 3-10 and its hard to separate them at this stage, but i will put out who i think could go where

3. Matthew Roberts - unfortunately injured himself recently, i have liked his form in the sanfl quite a bit, strong bodied, moves like a Treloar, long left foot kick and is equally a natural forward as he is a midfielder, so has flexibility in position, can burst out of the centre or mark on the lead, theres a lot to like about his footy imo.

4. Josh Rachele - i loved his form in 2019 and so far has been good for Murray and was a stand out in an otherwise poor day for the AFL Academy with a 55m goal and some tough contested possessions that highlighted his competitiveness and ability to step up to the level, as a small forward he is more likely to go 5-10, but i like him as the 4th best at this stage pre-champs

5. Josh Sinn - i have been critical of his kicking accuracy at times, but his speed, run and carry and contested marks for a wing/hbf are really impressive, i remember liking Isaac Smith a lot prior to his draft year and there are similarities with Josh Sinn to his game, tall wings/hbf who have penetrating kicks, both good endurance, both good production in that they know how to get the ball a lot and both are goal kicking wings which gives them scoring power to their games when they go forward, also both can line break and kick over set defences, but both lack a bit of contested and defensive game as in tackling ect, very similar types imo

6. Josh Fahey - i have him here mostly off of his AFL Academy game where he was the best performing Academy player from my PoV, his courage, defensive work as well as his run and carry were highlights of a dour game for the Academy, he not only stepped up to the VFL competitive standard but looked like he was better than most of his opponents as a 17 year old, which is why i think he will go top 10 somewhere.

7. Campbell Chesser - a player i have only seen in a couple of games, but i have liked what i have seen of him, composed and clean, i would like to see more to solidify my read, but a classy player for Sandringham

8. Neil Erasmus - a player i really liked from his WAFL Colts performance last year IN 2020 and knew he was something special straight away, since then he has taken the WAFL Colts by storm and put in one of the better performances in the AFL Academy game where his strong marking and clean disposal was on show for all to see, i liken him to Mark Le Cras from WCE in years gone by, but now that he is adding a midfield side to his game he could be anything.

9. Finn Callaghan - from round 1 he has stood out as a quality player, i like his evasiveness on field, his quality disposal, his run and carry, similar in stature to Sinn both around 189cm and a similar weight, Callaghan is more the pure midfielder where he has tricks and skills that work better, but Sinn has that burst and athletic power that puts him ahead at this stage i think.

10. Matthew Johnson - i really like this tall midfielder from WA, he was also a player that stood out in the WAFL Colts GF last year, as well as winning some important poss in the AFL Academy game, his debut in the WAFL was decent as a half back, but its not his natural position and so he didnt get impressive numbers, but i liked how he handled himself nonetheless, has gone back to Colts and seems to be doing better playing in his natural position as inside mid who can roam.

11. Sam Darcy - he is the flavour of the month it seems, in the first NAB League game i saw him play he wasnt one of the best or got a lot of the ball, but i noted that he kicked a wonderful goal and that he moved well, the next game which i saw was when he absolutely dominated the air from half back, marking everything and dominating the air, since then he has dominated school footy kicking 5,4,5 goals in each game i believe, he has the stature of a King Brother, but im unsure on his speed, which could hold him back from being a top 5 pick imo.

12. Tyler Sonsie - this is controversial because everyone else has him as pick 3 it seems, to me he seems a mix between Jack Billings and Jade Gresham, small goal kicking mid/forw that is more outside than inside, i like his goal kicking, i like his outside HR play, his disposal was a bit disappointing at times for me in the few games i have seen as well as the disappointment of his performance in the AFL Academy game compared to his peers, his VFL game was average other than his 2 wonderful goals and a good tackle in the 4th quarter, he kicked the ball to grass too often for my liking and seemed to get spooked in the AFL Academy game ducking a marking effort when no one was near him late in the game, which makes me wonder if he has some fears in contested situations, but he has heaps of talent and no one can deny that.

13. Ned Long - strong bodied mid/forw, he has been impressive for Northern in every game i have seen, his disposal is good, he is strong in the contest, when he goes forward he kicks bags of goals, theres no flaws i can see so far in his game, he is the type Richmond loves to recruit, hard, honest and contested.

14. Sam Banks - i really like Banks' athletic qualities as well as his disposal, run and carry and when he goes forward his goal kicking, he has played mostly half back this year and hurt his arm, but he looks like the 3rd best outside player in a year where mids are the flavour of the 2021 draft.

15. Jack Williams - seems to be having a good year in the WAFL Colts this year, i liked his lead and goal in the AFL Academy game, good lead, mark, goal type forward, with the lack of KPPs of substance, he is likely to go first round

16. Jacob Van Rooyen - another KPF from WA, i really liked his game last year again in the WAFL Colts GF, where he led all day and took some wonderful marks, has struggled to impact the WAFL this year and has been diagnosed with glandular fever i believe? so hopefully we see more of him later in the year with better form

17. Toby Conway - i have really liked the games i have seen him play, for Geelong he is just a dominant ruckman and his around the ground work is really good, in the AFL Academy game i thought he was quite good as the around the ground ruck behind Ned Moyle who took the main ruck spot, i thought Conway was good even though that game was rough for the Academy.

18. Morgan Ferres - more of a 3rd tall forward, he has a good style to how he plays, good lead and mark and can kick a bag of goals which is important, one of a good crop of SA kids popping up recently

19. Cooper Hamilton - solidly built midfielder, i have liked his games for Bendigo and his AFL Academy game form, he always seems to win a bunch of poss and is a solid distributor of the footy

20. Connor MacDonald - another one i spotted in round 1 as a type i wanted to see more of, has been very impressive and is a good mark for his size.
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Couldn't agree more, watching Sonsie today and nothing wow about him. He's a slider for me.
 
Davo-27 said:
Liking Finn Callaghans game so far in the first quarter, in the right places off the ball, good contested footy

For Sandringham, 23 as a small forward is doing ok, 32 is a young tall looking ok for Sandy, Max Heath running around as a tall forw, kicked a goal and in the ruck a little around the ground, For Eastern Tyreece Lieu is looking more confident off the back of his vfl experience.

Pretty scrappy game, they are looking rusty after the lock down break.
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Definitely looked Rusty, but Callaghan looking awesome and a cut above the rest.
His second quarter was incredible, two kicks that opened the game up and resulted in goals.
 
Eastcoasteagle said:
Sinn was the runner today, is he injured or playing school footy? Chesser injured or school footy?
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Sinn due back next week perhaps for Vic Metro trials and Chesser due the week after. Both where injured
 

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Davo-27 said:
Top 20 update

1. Jason Horne - i still have him as pick 1, i just like his physicality and readiness that he has shown in the sanfl, he could have better production to make it a certainty, i have a funny feeling Daicos might be bid at pick 1 anyway as a way to make them pay and theres very little between them so i think its the most likely outcome (Daicos being bid at 1 even though he isnt the clear best, similar to how JUH wasnt clear best and went at 1 imo)

2. Nick Daicos - love his production, whether it be NAB League, school footy or the VFL game, he hunts the ball and is clean with disposal, he is also impressive at goal kicking, has few flaws and will likely be bid at 1 as i have previously pointed out as he is on equal standing with Horne imo and North would be happy with either.

this is where it gets complicated because there is a group of guys who could go from 3-10 and its hard to separate them at this stage, but i will put out who i think could go where

3. Matthew Roberts - unfortunately injured himself recently, i have liked his form in the sanfl quite a bit, strong bodied, moves like a Treloar, long left foot kick and is equally a natural forward as he is a midfielder, so has flexibility in position, can burst out of the centre or mark on the lead, theres a lot to like about his footy imo.

4. Josh Rachele - i loved his form in 2019 and so far has been good for Murray and was a stand out in an otherwise poor day for the AFL Academy with a 55m goal and some tough contested possessions that highlighted his competitiveness and ability to step up to the level, as a small forward he is more likely to go 5-10, but i like him as the 4th best at this stage pre-champs

5. Josh Sinn - i have been critical of his kicking accuracy at times, but his speed, run and carry and contested marks for a wing/hbf are really impressive, i remember liking Isaac Smith a lot prior to his draft year and there are similarities with Josh Sinn to his game, tall wings/hbf who have penetrating kicks, both good endurance, both good production in that they know how to get the ball a lot and both are goal kicking wings which gives them scoring power to their games when they go forward, also both can line break and kick over set defences, but both lack a bit of contested and defensive game as in tackling ect, very similar types imo

6. Josh Fahey - i have him here mostly off of his AFL Academy game where he was the best performing Academy player from my PoV, his courage, defensive work as well as his run and carry were highlights of a dour game for the Academy, he not only stepped up to the VFL competitive standard but looked like he was better than most of his opponents as a 17 year old, which is why i think he will go top 10 somewhere.

7. Campbell Chesser - a player i have only seen in a couple of games, but i have liked what i have seen of him, composed and clean, i would like to see more to solidify my read, but a classy player for Sandringham

8. Neil Erasmus - a player i really liked from his WAFL Colts performance last year IN 2020 and knew he was something special straight away, since then he has taken the WAFL Colts by storm and put in one of the better performances in the AFL Academy game where his strong marking and clean disposal was on show for all to see, i liken him to Mark Le Cras from WCE in years gone by, but now that he is adding a midfield side to his game he could be anything.

9. Finn Callaghan - from round 1 he has stood out as a quality player, i like his evasiveness on field, his quality disposal, his run and carry, similar in stature to Sinn both around 189cm and a similar weight, Callaghan is more the pure midfielder where he has tricks and skills that work better, but Sinn has that burst and athletic power that puts him ahead at this stage i think.

10. Matthew Johnson - i really like this tall midfielder from WA, he was also a player that stood out in the WAFL Colts GF last year, as well as winning some important poss in the AFL Academy game, his debut in the WAFL was decent as a half back, but its not his natural position and so he didnt get impressive numbers, but i liked how he handled himself nonetheless, has gone back to Colts and seems to be doing better playing in his natural position as inside mid who can roam.

11. Sam Darcy - he is the flavour of the month it seems, in the first NAB League game i saw him play he wasnt one of the best or got a lot of the ball, but i noted that he kicked a wonderful goal and that he moved well, the next game which i saw was when he absolutely dominated the air from half back, marking everything and dominating the air, since then he has dominated school footy kicking 5,4,5 goals in each game i believe, he has the stature of a King Brother, but im unsure on his speed, which could hold him back from being a top 5 pick imo.

12. Tyler Sonsie - this is controversial because everyone else has him as pick 3 it seems, to me he seems a mix between Jack Billings and Jade Gresham, small goal kicking mid/forw that is more outside than inside, i like his goal kicking, i like his outside HR play, his disposal was a bit disappointing at times for me in the few games i have seen as well as the disappointment of his performance in the AFL Academy game compared to his peers, his VFL game was average other than his 2 wonderful goals and a good tackle in the 4th quarter, he kicked the ball to grass too often for my liking and seemed to get spooked in the AFL Academy game ducking a marking effort when no one was near him late in the game, which makes me wonder if he has some fears in contested situations, but he has heaps of talent and no one can deny that.

13. Ned Long - strong bodied mid/forw, he has been impressive for Northern in every game i have seen, his disposal is good, he is strong in the contest, when he goes forward he kicks bags of goals, theres no flaws i can see so far in his game, he is the type Richmond loves to recruit, hard, honest and contested.

14. Sam Banks - i really like Banks' athletic qualities as well as his disposal, run and carry and when he goes forward his goal kicking, he has played mostly half back this year and hurt his arm, but he looks like the 3rd best outside player in a year where mids are the flavour of the 2021 draft.

15. Jack Williams - seems to be having a good year in the WAFL Colts this year, i liked his lead and goal in the AFL Academy game, good lead, mark, goal type forward, with the lack of KPPs of substance, he is likely to go first round

16. Jacob Van Rooyen - another KPF from WA, i really liked his game last year again in the WAFL Colts GF, where he led all day and took some wonderful marks, has struggled to impact the WAFL this year and has been diagnosed with glandular fever i believe? so hopefully we see more of him later in the year with better form

17. Toby Conway - i have really liked the games i have seen him play, for Geelong he is just a dominant ruckman and his around the ground work is really good, in the AFL Academy game i thought he was quite good as the around the ground ruck behind Ned Moyle who took the main ruck spot, i thought Conway was good even though that game was rough for the Academy.

18. Morgan Ferres - more of a 3rd tall forward, he has a good style to how he plays, good lead and mark and can kick a bag of goals which is important, one of a good crop of SA kids popping up recently

19. Cooper Hamilton - solidly built midfielder, i have liked his games for Bendigo and his AFL Academy game form, he always seems to win a bunch of poss and is a solid distributor of the footy

20. Connor MacDonald - another one i spotted in round 1 as a type i wanted to see more of, has been very impressive and is a good mark for his size.
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Davo who out of that lot of players you named could push up and push the top Daicos and Horne for the number 1 as the season goes on and the championships is it
Neil Erasmus going buy your comments.
 
mustang said:
Davo who out of that lot of players you named could push up and push the top Daicos and Horne for the number 1 as the season goes on and the championships is it
Neil Erasmus going buy your comments.
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ive said this before i think on the hawthorn board, but if we have pick 3 i would consider Sinn, Callaghan, Chesser and Erasmus as a dark horse, Roberts and Johnson also, but i want to see their champs before being confident on them, thats just my PoV, so even if we end up with pick 4, 5, 6 or whatever i think theres a good option for our midfield which is an area we could use improvement in imo.
 
SA u17 V WA u17 Player Reviews
  • Index
    • SA u17 V WA u17 - SA won 56 - 53 in a good contest, many youngsters look likely to be drafted from these 2 teams

    WA Best from my PoV
    1. Jack Cleaver - strong bodied, smooth moving mid, beautiful disposal, kicked a nice goal from distance
    2. Daniel Curtain - tall intercept marking defender, uses the ball smartly as well
    3. Alex Condon - best ruck on the day, won many taps, clearances and marks
    4. Luke Michael - good intercepting General defender, also uses the ball quickly and makes good quick decisions
    5. Koen Sanchez - small general mid/forw, kicked 2 much needed goals and provided some carry on the wings
    6. Jedd Busslinger - medium sized defender, intercepting and general rebounder
    7. Jed Hagan - tough inside mid, I don't think he had big numbers, but was affective when he impacted the game
    8. Sam Gilbey - slim hbf with good hands and run, brave and good footy IQ
    9. Mitch Williams - strong marking for who kicked 2 late goals to nearly snatch the win for WA
    10. Conrad Williams - provided run and carry, very small frame, nice kick

    A few other players deserve a mention... Elijah Hewett and Tyzreise Clark

    SA Best from my PoV
    1. Adam D'Aloia - inside mid doing all the dirty work for the team, good tackler and won a heap of poss and clearances
    2. Jack Delean - quality small forward, ended up with 3 goals as a reward for good forward craft
    3. Max Michalanny - tall defender who had a good game with intercept marking, general defensive work and rebound
    4. Nick Sandler - kept running all day and provided good disposal through the mid and hb
    5. Jaiden Magor - a classy mover and good disposal, had another good game playing for SA
    6. Will Patton - good intercept marking tall defender, good rebound and general defensive play
    7. Isaac Keeler - played KPF instead of ruck, kicked 2 goals and moves very well for a forw
    8. Tyson Walls - good disposal, ran hard all game and put in a good 4 quarter effort
    9. Koby Cockshell - had a big 2nd half, good size and strong in the air

    A few mentions... Mattaes Phillipou, Tom Wheaton, Will Verrall, Harry Barnett.
     
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    DeafHawk said:
    I mean it would be great under Sam Mitchell's development
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    We have DGB looking the part since his return from injury and if we need another when Frost retires we can always put Kosi or Callow back there, Kosi was a good u18 defender and when he wasnt injured was really good at BHH, but if they dont work out Curtain or Michalanny would be solid aditions in 2022 and Patton in 2023 i think?
     
    Davo-27 said:
    A few other players deserve a mention... Elijah Hewett and Tyzreise Clark
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    How is Clark tracking so far? I remember first bringing him up back in 2019 as a potential gun, but entirely stopped watching any WA underage footy since then. Kid looked seriously good in the GFL juniors
     
    Virgin Dog said:
    How is Clark tracking so far? I remember first bringing him up back in 2019 as a potential gun, but entirely stopped watching any WA underage footy since then. Kid looked seriously good in the GFL juniors
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    He looked ok in the u17 game, this is my first time seeing many of these players, i think most of the guys i mentioned are a decent chance at getting drafted.
     
    Davo-27 said:
    SA u17 V WA u17 - SA won 56 - 53 in a good contest, many youngsters look likely to be drafted from these 2 teams

    WA Best from my PoV
    1. Jack Cleaver - strong bodied, smooth moving mid, beautiful disposal, kicked a nice goal from distance
    2. Daniel Curtain - tall intercept marking defender, uses the ball smartly as well
    3. Alex Condon - best ruck on the day, won many taps, clearances and marks
    4. Luke Michael - good intercepting General defender, also uses the ball quickly and makes good quick decisions
    5. Koen Sanchez - small general mid/forw, kicked 2 much needed goals and provided some carry on the wings
    6. Jedd Busslinger - medium sized defender, intercepting and general rebounder
    7. Jed Hagan - tough inside mid, I don't think he had big numbers, but was affective when he impacted the game
    8. Sam Gilbey - slim hbf with good hands and run, brave and good footy IQ
    9. Mitch Williams - strong marking for who kicked 2 late goals to nearly snatch the win for WA
    10. Conrad Williams - provided run and carry, very small frame, nice kick

    A few other players deserve a mention... Elijah Hewett and Tyzreise Clark

    SA Best from my PoV
    1. Adam D'Aloia - inside mid doing all the dirty work for the team, good tackler and won a heap of poss and clearances
    2. Jack Delean - quality small forward, ended up with 3 goals as a reward for good forward craft
    3. Max Michalanny - tall defender who had a good game with intercept marking, general defensive work and rebound
    4. Nick Sandler - kept running all day and provided good disposal through the mid and hb
    5. Jaiden Magor - a classy mover and good disposal, had another good game playing for SA
    6. Will Patton - good intercept marking tall defender, good rebound and general defensive play
    7. Isaac Keeler - played KPF instead of ruck, kicked 2 goals and moves very well for a forw
    8. Tyson Walls - good disposal, ran hard all game and put in a good 4 quarter effort
    9. Koby Cockshell - had a big 2nd half, good size and strong in the air

    A few mentions... Mattaes Phillipou, Tom Wheaton, Will Verrall, Harry Barnett.
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    I think you missed the BOG who won the game for SA.. the umpire that didn’t call the incorrect disposal free that led to SA’s last goal to get them in front. [emoji23][emoji23]


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