Mega Thread Dayne Beams trade (Its over, thread closed)

[Collingwoodity]

I have been dealing with facts. I can certainly understand that not everyone interprets the words the same way but it is not semantics to say that the club's statement at no point stated that negotiations could not recommence nor would it have been sensible or logical to do so. To assume that the club's intention was to cynically mislead its members is an absolute nonsense. It simply stated what needed to be said so the its trading strategy could move on. The club has a responsibility to do what is in the interest of the members even if at times that means it cannot be totally transparent. From what I have seen that is exactly what it is doing.

I don't care what the club's intention was at the time it made the statement.

I care what effect making the statement had on its members and supporters.

The effect it had was to alienate its members and supporters.

This is demonstrated by the fact that you are having great difficulty pushing your "factual" pile of poo up the proverbial hill.

 

[Lockyer24]

hine must have something else planned with 5, otherwise i dont see him black flipping just like that. Hine may have worked out another deal with pick 5 with another club over the weekend.

That's what I'm hoping...

 

[Vankri]

Clearly we didn't hope for this outcome. It's the club who emailed us saying we won't accept anything other then 5 and a good player. They backed them selves into the corner. Explanation needed.

You should re-read the statement.

The club said that they also looked at a combination of picks but that fell through.

And they actually never stated that they were shutting the door on new offers from Brisbane, just that the negotiations had ceased and they were free to pursue trades with other clubs.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

It rhymes with Chewbacca

I doubt we'll be getting pick 1. What will we have to offer for it?
Pick 5 and.....who?

 

[jmac70]

Oh ok so its a non-offer?

Jeezuz

At this point I would describe it as a negotiation. I think we are desperate to get Beams off our list.

 

[jmac70]

I doubt we'll be getting pick 1. What will we have to offer for it?
Pick 5 and.....who?

Keeffe.

 

[DaicosianMarvels]

I would rather get a draft pick than Cripps.

You don't move forward by signing list cloggers.

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Keeffe.

keeffe isnt going anywhere

 

[jonbe54]

At this point I would describe it as a negotiation. I think we are desperate to get Beams off our list.

Whatever you want to call j its only a possibility until all parties sign and especially with a 5 way tug of war anything can happen..

 

[MyManLynch]

I'm more concerned at why we are in a shitty situation. Did we read the play? Were we blindsided? Have we railroaded ourself into this position?

I can only assume that there was nothing forthcoming from GWS or GC & or Conners/Beams knocked it on the head over the weekend...leaving us with only one trading option??
Hence we then move to make the best of a very very shitty situation.
I'm pissed off...but will wait for all the details to come out first.
Not the start of the week I was hoping for.

 

[MagpieBat]

keefe isnt going anywhere

Keeffo going nowhere, you mean?

 

[Apex36]

Oh ok so its a non-offer?

Jeezuz

No, it's a deal that is being reported on being close to finalised. Whether there are truth to the reports is another matter, but if the reports are true, it's not a simple offer that we can just refuse, it's a deal that we will have agreed on. That's why people are getting upset, because it looks likely that we are essentially folding on our tough stance Because a list clogger has been added in to the deal.

 

[Reykjavik]

At this point I would describe it as a negotiation. I think we are desperate to get Beams off our list.

That appears the only take it to the bank lesson so far.

Beams is not going to be at collingwood in 2015 and we will spin whatever we receive into cloth of gold as best we can.

Dress it in a calico dress and call it Florence though, and a pig is still a pig.

We have an interest in preserving the fiction of family reasons as much as beams, unfortunately he didn't seem to get the memo.

 

[PieNSauce]

I don't care what the club's intention was at the time it made the statement.

I care what effect making the statement had on its members and supporters.

The effect it had was to alienate its members and supporters.

This is demonstrated by the fact that you are having great difficulty pushing your "factual" pile of poo up the proverbial hill.

lol. You are making the assumption firstly that the rumoured deal is as per the rumours and will go ahead. Secondly, in which parallel universe would any club completely close its doors to an updated offer if it was in the interests of that club. Do you honestly think that the club is going to mitigate its negotiating position just to appease a comparatively small number of BF posters who have mouthed off on an opposition board? Honestly, some people need to stop being so naïve.

 

[Reykjavik]

I would rather get a draft pick than Cripps.

You don't move forward by signing list cloggers.

I'm more excited about him than Varcoe, at least. We appear to have parted company with the plot.

 

[Babylove]

Okay a couple of things to think about. Firstly it's possible tha Beams has backed us into a corner over the weekend by refusing to go anywhere other than Brisbane, meaning we may need to take less than we want to trade him.

Secondly, of everyone who is potting Crisp, how many have seen him play? I know I haven't. I don't even remember him from the Pies match in 2014. We should know better than most that coming from the rookie list and taking more time to develop given that is how we've gotten players such as Frost, Maxwell, Toovey, Lumumba, Williams etc. If he can come into the club with an attitude like Toovey & Maxwell as far as getting the most out of yourself and giving your all, he may actually be an improvement around the club than Beams whose body language in the second half of the season seemed to suggest he didn't want to be there and couldn't have cared less.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Keeffe.

We would want to be pretty sure about Brown's fitness. If he is fit though, then you still have Frost and the possibility of one of Reid and eventually Moore as tall backs.

You would have to look at it. A number 1 pick is a very valuable commodity, especially when there is someone reportedly as good as Petracca available. Pendles, Greenwood, Petracca, Adams, Freeman, Kennedy, Seedsman, JT and Broomhead could really bring us forward and be a really good mix. We could then focus on talls next year.

 

[Jande]

It seems the family issue has only been portrayed by the club. We have heard little from Beams and his management regarding this.

 

[Reykjavik]

It seems the family issue has only been portrayed by the club. We have heard little from Beams and his management regarding this.

An early statement from Connors on trade radio is all. We have in fact heard nothing directly from beams at all unless you count the extended middle finger he gave by boozing up the harp on Copland night.

 

[swiftdog]

Can someone clear this up for me, wasn't the club e-mail just this public press release in an e-mail?

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-10-10/pies-lions-cease-negotiations

My member's e-mail just goes through to my old man's e-mail so haven't had a chance to read it yet. Regardless, I'd think e-mailing around a public press release to the members would hardly count as speaking exclusively to the members. It's not "they told the members this or that", e-mail was likely sent around just to ensure that the members read the press release. This is of course assuming that the e-mail was just the press release beginning with a "Dear Member".

 

[Implanttheseed]

Coming from the opposite side of the fence, I thought the press release\message from Collingwood was concluding the exclusivity talks with Brisbane and was opening the door up for all others to put their case forward (including this big 5 club deal) for a trade.

This has allowed the clubs to get to this point. I understand you guys want to shut us out and basically not want "to give in" to us but this will probably be the best outcome for all parties because you may, as others have suggested, use 5 for another trade and all along knew getting 5 last week allows you to work other trades this week and why a "deadline" was put on the talks.

Apologies if people don't like this but just wanted to add an outside view on the mail from the club.

That's how I took it as well. Not sure if others feel similarly

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Doggies get Boyd, we get Crippo..

ahh, Collingwood - brilliant

 

[PieNSauce]

Can someone clear this up for me, wasn't the club e-mail just this public press release in an e-mail?

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-10-10/pies-lions-cease-negotiations

My member's e-mail just goes through to my old man's e-mail so haven't had a chance to read it yet. Regardless, I'd think e-mailing around a public press release to the members would hardly count as speaking exclusively to the members. It's not "they told the members this or that", e-mail was likely sent around just to ensure that the members read the press release. This is of course assuming that the e-mail was just the press release beginning with a "Dear Member".

Pretty much correct.

 

[Babylove]

Can someone clear this up for me, wasn't the club e-mail just this public press release in an e-mail?

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-10-10/pies-lions-cease-negotiations

My member's e-mail just goes through to my old man's e-mail so haven't had a chance to read it yet. Regardless, I'd think e-mailing around a public press release to the members would hardly count as speaking exclusively to the members. It's not "they told the members this or that", e-mail was likely sent around just to ensure that the members read the press release. This is of course assuming that the e-mail was just the press release beginning with a "Dear Member".

Yes it was the press release. It wasn't an exclusively released to members, my take was more to ensure members were across the club's stance for the ones that are not following the club's trade week closely, and are only getting the news from the news or the papers.

 

[TradeDraft]

Doggies get Boyd, we get Crippo..

ahh, Collingwood - brilliant

Beams just wants to go to the Lions. So How do we get Boyd?

Plus no Trades have Happened yet