Dean Bailey in trouble?

[Elite Crow]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...e-lid-on-melbournes-vault-20121030-28h3c.html

The club is now receiving legal advice after at least four witnesses have been recalled by the AFL and admitted the club planned to deliberately lose games of football. Among those to have confessed the meeting took place upon being re-interviewed are former coach Dean Bailey, his then assistant Josh Mahoney and the Demons' former recruiting manager Barry Prendergast, now at Carlton.
Mahoney, who is now in charge of the Melbourne football department, did not attend Monday's first official pre-season training session. Bailey, who has not responded to calls from The Age, now fears he could even be suspended by the AFL for his role in the tanking affair.

Now a senior assistant with the Adelaide Crows, Bailey came close to blowing the whistle on Melbourne last year during his final press conference, after being sacked, but then failed to reveal the meeting in a subsequent AFL investigation. Bailey has told colleagues he regrets following the club line which the AFL could establish was driven from the top.

Surely we've had enough controversy! Rendell, Tippett, Trigg and now possibly Bailey in trouble

 

[Cap]

not Baileys fault.

 

[rayven]

If I remember correctly, a Port player was told to belt Graham Cornes in a SANFL final. He was the one who did the time for the crime, but the ones who instructed him, did not.

If bailey did this, he would be unlucky if those above him get away with it

 

[NSWCROW]

At least they now have a legit excuse as to why their football club has been an UTTER FAILURE since god-knows-when.

" Oh we were TOLD to lose....."

 

[Dangerousfield]

I watched all of those Melbourne games. It was emabarassing to watch how blatant to tanking was.

Let's try Miller in ruck, let's see if Jamar makes a good full back, at the break tell all the players to return to the same piece of turf after the break, stop rotating players of the bench for the last 15 minutes of the last quarter so your midfielders can hardly move.

Why don't they watch these games again at AFL House and see what was really happening.

The only person in the universe who couldn't see they were tanking was Vlad. The AFL Commission should have immediately said Priority Picks will be suspended until further notice.

Now three years later they have to address it, not because they want to but because it's embarassingly out in public again. Time for Bailey to tell the truth, he owes Melbourne absolutely nothing.

At least we are in the background for a while. WTF will they announce what they've found on us?

 

[1970crow]

Seriously, why the fukc not. We've made a nice big cake. Who's for a few inches of icing.

 

[jenny61_99]

Poor sando. Wtf has he got himself into? At least he has the boys on his side and focused on the tasks ahead.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

Please! NO! Not more bullshit from the AFL!!!

 

[Geoffa32]

Why, all he did was coach to the instruction of the management the football club he was employed by.

 

[Crowked]

IMO Melbourne tanking was a product of the AFL failing to address the problem that existed well before Melbourne did it. Its been happening for more than a decade. The AFL has had the old head in the sand, refusing to accept it and failing to do .anything about it

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

IMO Melbourne tanking was a product of the AFL failing to address the problem that existed well before Melbourne did it. Its been happening for more than a decade. The AFL has had the old head in the sand, refusing to accept it and failing to do .anything about it

The AFL created the problem with its priority pick rules, that funnily enough they've since changed.

 

[Crowked]

The AFL created the problem with its priority pick rules, that funnily enough they've since changed.

After Melbourne tanked?

That alone wont stop it anyway. A certain #1 pick will still be too hard to resist.

 

[Geoffa32]

Any sanction against Melbourne is admission by the AFL that their system is flawed.

Time for a lottery for the first ten picks among the non finalists.

 

[spenze]

If bailey did this, he would be unlucky if those above him get away with it

Pretty sure they'll have a hard time charging Jim now

 

[crow4life]

We all know Melbourne were tanking big time. Didn't really help them much though did it. They're still crap even with high draft picks. They just can't develop young talent.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Bailey NO
His ex employer YES

 

[Archie87]

I've always been an advocate of giving 9th the number 1 pick and working down the ladder that way. That'll stop sides not trying at the end of the year. In fact, it incentivises bottom sides to win in order to get a better pick.

I'm just sick of the AFL rewarding mediocrity (regardless of whether its actually deliberate tanking or not).

Yes, the bottom side will only get pick 10, but hey... my club hasn't had the opportunity to have a pick higher than 10 in its entire squad (excluding top-5 talent in Brad Crouch) and we've managed to get a pretty decent squad together! It also gives bottom sides an incentive to invest in player development, club culture and clever recruitment/trading. As sides get better, they get a better pick and when they're finally pushing towards the 8, they get a VERY good pick to compliment their improving list!

 

[PykeDream]

Time for a lottery for the first ten picks among the non finalists.

Open to corruption and exploitation. Now I'm a Chicago Bulls fan, but if someone told me that us getting the Chicago born and bred high school super star, despite having only a 1.7% chance of obtaining Pick #1, is a pure coincidence then...I'd probably think they were a little näive. Besides, tanking still occurs to get the higher percentages of getting a good pic eg. finishing last will guarantee a higher probability of getting decent, if not top pick.

Also you might have a situation where a club that struggles in finals like North, tanks a bit to drop from eighth into a favourable position.

 

[cmdosiak22]

I've always been an advocate of giving 9th the number 1 pick and working down the ladder that way. That'll stop sides not trying at the end of the year. In fact, it incentivises bottom sides to win in order to get a better pick.

I'm just sick of the AFL rewarding mediocrity (regardless of whether its actually deliberate tanking or not).

Yes, the bottom side will only get pick 10, but hey... my club hasn't had the opportunity to have a pick higher than 10 in its entire squad (excluding top-5 talent in Brad Crouch) and we've managed to get a pretty decent squad together! It also gives bottom sides an incentive to invest in player development, club culture and clever recruitment/trading. As sides get better, they get a better pick and when they're finally pushing towards the 8, they get a VERY good pick to compliment their improving list!

not a bad idea, but then clubs will still then have to choose finishing 8th and getting knocked out first week of finals or lose 1 more game and get pick1. I still favour a lottery amongst the non-finalists for rd1 picks.

 

[cmdosiak22]

Open to corruption and exploitation. Now I'm a Chicago Bulls fan, but if someone told me that us getting the Chicago born and bred high school super star, despite having only a 1.7% chance of obtaining Pick #1, is a pure coincidence then...I'd probably think they were a little näive. Besides, tanking still occurs to get the higher percentages of getting a good pic eg. finishing last will guarantee a higher probability of getting decent, if not top pick.

Also you might have a situation where a club that struggles in finals like North, tanks a bit to drop from eighth into a favourable position.

nah, the NBA lottery system is weighted and is therefore pointless. Im talking about a genuine lottery. 10 team names in a hat and pull them out 1 by 1. Everyone from 9th to 18th has exactly a 10% chance for pick 1.

 

[Vader]

I still think they should be stripped of the compo picks they got for $cully, except that they've already traded them. $cully was the player they got for tanking, so losing the compo for having him stolen would have been justice.

 

[Godallblighty]

Any sanction against Melbourne is admission by the AFL that their system is flawed.

Time for a lottery for the first ten picks among the non finalists.

I've always been an advocate of giving 9th the number 1 pick and working down the ladder that way. That'll stop sides not trying at the end of the year. In fact, it incentivises bottom sides to win in order to get a better pick.

I'm just sick of the AFL rewarding mediocrity (regardless of whether its actually deliberate tanking or not).

Yes, the bottom side will only get pick 10, but hey...

System needs fixing but both of these solutions undermine the intent of strengthening the weaker teams. The second one is also open to the same manipulation everyone is currently complaining about. When has a team ever won a premiership from eighth? So the choice there becomes 1st draft vs making up the numbers.

Best solution I've heard is to take the draft ranking from results across two seasons....from, say, round 10 2013 to round 10 2014.

 

[Crows4Eva]

Bailey won't cop anything over this stuff, everything I've read says that he was against it but was backed into a corner by the higher-ups, wasn't alot he could have done about the situation short of just quitting and walking away.

 

[SugarShane]

The AFL will find someway to penalise him that also hurts us.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

System needs fixing but both of these solutions undermine the intent of strengthening the weaker teams. The second one is also open to the same manipulation everyone is currently complaining about. When has a team ever won a premiership from eighth? So the choice there becomes 1st draft vs making up the numbers.

Best solution I've heard is to take the draft ranking from results across two seasons....from, say, round 10 2013 to round 10 2014.

That's a good system I reckon.

I didn't mind just determining the draft order after the first 11 games. If a team is throwing matches that early in the season they must be genuinely terrible. The tanking questions always seem to revolve around the last 6-7 games