Dear Mr Robert walls,

[manchestercity]

Don't you ever, ever, ever put the names of Brett Kirk and Tony Liberatore in the same sentence again and imply they are a similar type of player again with their tackling.

 

[Dog Town]

Agreed Kirk as good as he currently is has a long way to go before he is at Libbas standard.

 

[TheBloods]

I don't think Kirk will ever reach that 'standard' of scratching and spitting!

 

[dogsbody]

Kirk won't win a Brownlow. He will never reach the tackling standards set by Libba. Will anyone ?

 

[Captain Sensible]

I don't think Kirk will ever reach that 'standard' of scratching and spitting!

And neither will he ever win a Brownlow medal. If you want to compare the respective careers bring it on.

 

[Schneiderman]

Libba was a one year wonder. Then when his form failed him, he resorted to thuggery to keep his sport in the side. This by his own admission.

 

[dogsbody]

Libba was a one year wonder. Then when his form failed him, he resorted to thuggery to keep his sport in the side. This by his own admission.

????? Libba admitted to resorting to thuggery to keep his place in the side ?

Libba not only won a Brownlow, he won 2 Gardiners and a Morrish. Between his Brownlow and 1997, when he became a tagger, he was a very good player for the Dogs and often mentioned among the best. Leaving aside your particular use of emotive words, as a tagger, he was rated the best tackler in the competition year after year. His career demonstrated that he was no stranger to topping whatever competition he played in. Your description of Libba says a lot more about you than it does about Libba and what it says isn't to your credit.

 

[Schneiderman]

????? Libba admitted to resorting to thuggery to keep his place in the side ?

Libba not only won a Brownlow, he won 2 Gardiners and a Morrish. Between his Brownlow and 1997, when he became a tagger, he was a very good player for the Dogs and often mentioned among the best. Leaving aside your particular use of emotive words, as a tagger, he was rated the best tackler in the competition year after year. His career demonstrated that he was no stranger to topping whatever competition he played in. Your description of Libba says a lot more about you than it does about Libba and what it says isn't to your credit.

Crap. He was a player that lost form after he won his Brownlow, got dropped and had to "change his game". He then became one of the most disliked players in the league, and became a scragger, not a tagger. How quickly you forget the Knights fiasco, and the Kelly fiasco. Just how many suspensions did your glamour boy get??

 

[Borgsta]

Pathetic to mention Kirk in the same sentence as Libba. Libba is the best tackler the game has ever seen.

1 year wonder Thats gold, obviously started watching the game when Sydney started going well

 

[Borgsta]

Crap. He was a player that lost form after he won his Brownlow, got dropped and had to "change his game". He then became one of the most disliked players in the league, and became a scragger, not a tagger. How quickly you forget the Knights fiasco, and the Kelly fiasco. Just how many suspensions did your glamour boy get??

ok so he scragged in those 2 "fiasco's". Doesnt take away from the other 100 games where he tagged very effectively.

If suspensions decide if a player was great then Dermie and Plugger were ******** players.

 

[dogsbody]

Crap. He was a player that lost form after he won his Brownlow, got dropped and had to "change his game". He then became one of the most disliked players in the league, and became a scragger, not a tagger. How quickly you forget the Knights fiasco, and the Kelly fiasco. Just how many suspensions did your glamour boy get??

Dear me, your choice of words. The words “bitter and twisted” spring to mind.

 

[Draft Pick]

Crap. He was a player that lost form after he won his Brownlow, got dropped and had to "change his game". He then became one of the most disliked players in the league, and became a scragger, not a tagger. How quickly you forget the Knights fiasco, and the Kelly fiasco. Just how many suspensions did your glamour boy get??

Some Facts here.

Libba won the Brownlow in 1990. He started playing as a tagger in 1997. That's seven years of good football in between. He did not just lose form after he won the brownlow. There were still games in between 1997 and 2002 where he got plenty of the ball himself even though he played as a close checking player. Yes Libba had one or two questionable actions but so what all players do. He was only suspended 2 or 3 times in his career

 

[dogsbody]

Some Facts here.

Schneiderman has already made up his/her mind, don't introduce facts, you'll just confuse him/her.

 

[Schneiderman]

Pathetic to mention Kirk in the same sentence as Libba. Libba is the best tackler the game has ever seen.

1 year wonder Thats gold, obviously started watching the game when Sydney started going well

Actually I did. When he debuted in 1986. And he should have retired in 1997. Then my opinion of him would not have been sullied by his last 5 years of deliberate thuggery.

As for who is a better player, lets wait till AFTER Kirk retires, and then the stats will speak for themselves. Certainly Kirk's last two years have been as good as much of Libbas years as a player, but two years aint the same as ten of them.

 

[MrChristo]

Crap. He was a player that lost form after he won his Brownlow, got dropped and had to "change his game". He then became one of the most disliked players in the league, and became a scragger, not a tagger. How quickly you forget the Knights fiasco, and the Kelly fiasco. Just how many suspensions did your glamour boy get??

Laugh my absolute guts out!!!!!!

The Knights fiasco????.....As NOT SEEN by Campbell (even tho he dobbed Libba in like a little girl??)....Knights charging at Libba and coming off second best??? haha!! ooooppppssss!!!

 

[Borgsta]

the question isnt about best player though, more about tackler, but I see your point.

My opinion of Libba increased after '97. Best re-invention of a player ever! Also coming back from that knee reconstruction was inspirational. He did some very questionable acts and I believe he is one of those players that you love if he is at your club and hate if he isnt, but he really was an inspiration to every player at the bulldogs.

 

[Schneiderman]

Some Facts here.

Libba won the Brownlow in 1990. He started playing as a tagger in 1997. That's seven years of good football in between. He did not just lose form after he won the brownlow. There were still games in between 1997 and 2002 where he got plenty of the ball himself even though he played as a close checking player. Yes Libba had one or two questionable actions but so what all players do. He was only suspended 2 or 3 times in his career

Yes there certainly were two Tony Liberatore's. To coin a famous paraphrase: "You're only as good as your last game". Whilst not true, it certainly helps form an opinion. And to bee fair to Libba, Terry Wallace is as much to blame for his noteriety.

 

[TheBloods]

And neither will he ever win a Brownlow medal. If you want to compare the respective careers bring it on.

I thought Libba was a great footballer until he became a tagger in '97. Those last few years blotted his copybook in my eyes - I thought his tagging was disgraceful - worst I have ever seen.

 

[Monkster]

Actually I did. When he debuted in 1986. And he should have retired in 1997. Then my opinion of him would not have been sullied by his last 5 years of deliberate thuggery.

As for who is a better player, lets wait till AFTER Kirk retires, and then the stats will speak for themselves. Certainly Kirk's last two years have been as good as much of Libbas years as a player, but two years aint the same as ten of them.

Funny how quickly a one year wonder turns into someone who had 10 years of great football. (unless of course you're not saying that Kirk's last 2 years have been great)

 

[Schneiderman]

Funny how quickly a one year wonder turns into someone who had 10 years of great football. (unless of course you're not saying that Kirk's last 2 years have been great)

Fair enough. My "one year wonder" call was tongue in cheek. But it does reflect how much damage his last five years did to his reputation.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Answer me this Schneiderman. Is Barry Hall a thug for king hiting Chris Grant this year(yes I was there-were you for Knights/Libba?) or is Tony Lockett a thug for various acts through his career?

 

[317 CFC]

feel sorry for kirk getting mentioned in the same sentence as libba.

 

[Schneiderman]

Answer me this Schneiderman. Is Barry Hall a thug for king hiting Chris Grant this year(yes I was there-were you for Knights/Libba?) or is Tony Lockett a thug for various acts through his career?

No but I think Grant is a loser for diving.

And yes Tony WAS a thug, especially what he did to Peter Caven. But he reformed and did not offend again.

The same can be said of Hall, who has had a very controlled last two years.

Any player who resorts to underhanded tactics to stay in the side is a loser. Libba undid all of his top class first ten years, with pure thuggery in the last 5.

 

[Borgsta]

dont bother with him local. He still thinks Grant dived.

 

[MrChristo]

No but I think Grant is a loser for diving.

And yes Tony WAS a thug, especially what he did to Peter Caven. But he reformed and did not offend again.

The same can be said of Hall, who has had a very controlled last two years.

Any player who resorts to underhanded tactics to stay in the side is a loser. Libba undid all of his top class first ten years, with pure thuggery in the last 5.

No argument required.

You are a ********ing moron.

One eye-gouging = bad. Absolutely.
Again I ask, did you (or anyone else) see the Knights incident? No? Leave! Now! Idiot!