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[Masto]

Yeah it's amazing how anyone ever thought he would turn out to be a good player.

LOL, I never said he didn't have raw talent. But there's much more to being an AFL player than raw talent. It's not my job to do background, fitness and psychological checks on draftees. The fact he walked out on a WAFL game and hasn't ever returned shows that - whatever checks they applied they got it wrong.

 

[Masto]

Says the guy saying "you're wrong, I'm right"
Top quality posting right there, keep it up

The Eagles have had many systems ingrained within the club for a long time, which have got stale and need replenishing. But hey, keep drinking the kool aid and making meaningless wise cracks on bigfooty.

 

[ChampRevesby]

LOL, I never said he didn't have raw talent. But there's much more to being an AFL player than raw talent. It's not my job to do background, fitness and psychological checks on draftees. The fact he walked out on a WAFL game and hasn't ever returned shows that - whatever checks they applied they got it wrong.

He's a 19 year old kid who is regretting the decisions he has made. The worst and most unprofessional thing the club could do right now is abandon him. He needs help to get over this, get his head right, then start playing some good footy.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

LOL, I never said he didn't have raw talent. But there's much more to being an AFL player than raw talent. It's not my job to do background, fitness and psychological checks on draftees. The fact he walked out on a WAFL game and hasn't ever returned shows that - whatever checks they applied they got it wrong.

Yes, apparently they didn't research his broken wrist either. What was your basis for saying that, exactly?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

He broke his wrist before his drafted. I doubt the club ever really researched that incident. Certainly, questions should be asked of our recruiting staff and what background checks they do. Also its clear as day he is extremely unfit. There are just so many glaring things wrong that alarm bells are ringing as to why we ever took him so high.

Now your just speculating wildly.

Fitness wasn't a particular issue prior to being drafted. It wasn't a strength of his and he had room to improve, if anything that was his upside.

 

[beatlesmith]

The Eagles have had many systems ingrained within the club for a long time, which have got stale and need replenishing. But hey, keep drinking the kool aid and making meaningless wise cracks on bigfooty.

Wise cracks as meaningless as "many systems ingrained within the club for a long time, which have got stale and need replenishing"? You may as well cut out some words and just say "there are things at the club that need to change".
I don't know how me suggesting that speaking with certainty regarding Newman's future was foolish was "drinking the kool aid", or why you felt the need to bring up ingrained systems and replenishment? Bizarre.

 

[bluengold89]

Yes, apparently they didn't research his broken wrist either. What was your basis for saying that, exactly?

I don't think it was even a broken wrist, i thought he fell through a glass coffee table and severed a tendon. I remember reading that it was remarkable he made a full recovery, there were doubts about his ever being able to play footy again. Pretty sure the club would have looked into it...

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I don't think it was even a broken wrist, i thought he fell through a glass coffee table and severed a tendon. I remember reading that it was remarkable he made a full recovery, there were doubts about his ever being able to play footy again. Pretty sure the club would have looked into it...

Are you saying that Masto hasn't researched that incident thoroughly?

 

[Masto]

Now your just speculating wildly.

Fitness wasn't a particular issue prior to being drafted. It wasn't a strength of his and he had room to improve, if anything that was his upside.

I don't think there was really much difference in fitness between year 1 and 2. He didn't do full testing before being drafted because of the injury and rookies always get a light load. It wasn't until the 2nd preseason that it became obvious how small a tank he really had.

 

[bluengold89]

Are you saying that Masto hasn't researched that incident thoroughly?

I think i might be.

 

[Masto]

Are you saying that Masto hasn't researched that incident thoroughly?

Whether I did or not is irrelevant. Questions should be asked of the recruiting department. But keep blowing smoke up Nisbett and co's backside while derailing this thread like the terrible moderator that you are.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Whether I did or not is irrelevant. Questions should be asked of the recruiting department. But keep blowing smoke up Nisbett and co's backside while derailing this thread like the terrible moderator that you are.

I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's arse. I'm simply pointing out the ridiculous position that you've taken.

 

[Masto]

I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's arse. I'm simply pointing out the ridiculous position that you've taken.

And what position is that? That we shouldn't have drafted Newman and our recruiting sucks? Don't you want to draft Marlon Pickett? Who is really the one taking a ridiculous position?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

And what position is that? That we shouldn't have drafted Newman and our recruiting sucks? Don't you want to draft Marlon Pickett? Who is really the one taking a ridiculous position?

When have I ever, ever mentioned Marlon Pickett?

Your ridiculous position is that it should have been apparent two years ago that Newman would never make it. It's made even more ridiculous by the fact that 18 months ago you were singing his praises, and now you've suddenly become wise in hindsight and apparently everyone else should have as well.

 

[Masto]

When have I ever, ever mentioned Marlon Pickett?

Your ridiculous position is that it should have been apparent two years ago that Newman would never make it. It's made even more ridiculous by the fact that 18 months ago you were singing his praises, and now you've suddenly become wise in hindsight and apparently everyone else should have as well.

Its not at all ridiculous to suggest that Newman was a massive gamble - and it hasn't worked out. I think even our recruiting staff would admit that. Praising a game where he came on as a sub against Goldcoast and kicked 2 goals in junk time is neither here nor there. Whether you like it or not - we got it badly wrong, you just can't admit it.

 

[beatlesmith]

And what position is that? That we shouldn't have drafted Newman and our recruiting sucks? Don't you want to draft Marlon Pickett? Who is really the one taking a ridiculous position?

Firstly, that Newman will not succeed as a matter of certainty.
Secondly, that based on pre-draft interviews and fitness in 2011, the club should have known that he would have major fitness issues in his second season (itself not the end of the world), and that he would punch a bloke when out on the town.
Thirdly, as a nice little bonus, that the club probably didn't research his wrist injury.

 

[Butler]

I'm with Masto on this one. Why didn't the recruiters look into there crystal ball before selecting Newman?

Why didn't they do a physc/background test that would have for sure seen that Newman was going to go out one night, have a few too many and punch someone? They couldn't have done it because there is no way that this incident was just a mistake.

I mean what were they thinking?

 

[Masto]

I'm with Masto on this one. Why didn't the recruiters look into there crystal ball before selecting Newman?

Why didn't they do a physc/background test that would have for sure seen that Newman was going to go out one night, have a few too many and punch someone? They couldn't have done it because there is no way that this incident was just a mistake.

I mean what were they thinking?

Meh, hanging out with Dayle Garlett should be enough of a red flag. Its not rocket science.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Its not at all ridiculous to suggest that Newman was a massive gamble - and it hasn't worked out. I think even our recruiting staff would admit that. Praising a game where he came on as a sub against Goldcoast and kicked 2 goals in junk time is neither here nor there. Whether you like it or not - we got it badly wrong, you just can't admit it.

How was it a massive gamble? We took a guy rated as a top 30 prospect with pick 23.

Twelve months later he punched an associate outside a nightclub* and got charged with GBH, then showed up out of shape to pre-season. Now he faces potential jail time as a result, which is a more than a slight chance of affecting his AFL career.

So yeah, in hindsight we could probably have picked up a player at 23 who didn't do all that stuff, and who has less than a reasonable possibility of starting the 2014 season behind bars. I don't have a problem admitting that.

What I do have a problem with is your assertion that our recruiters should have somehow seen all of that coming, and picked someone else.

By the way, could you explain the Marlon Pickett reference to me?

*allegedly.

 

[beatlesmith]

Meh, hanging out with Dayle Garlett should be enough of a red flag. Its not rocket science.

Hanging out with a 17 year-old Dayle Garlett in 2011 was enough of a red flag?

 

[Masto]

How was it a massive gamble? We took a guy rated as a top 30 prospect with pick 23.

Twelve months later he punched an associate outside a nightclub* and got charged with GBH, then showed up out of shape to pre-season. Now he faces potential jail time as a result, which is a more than a slight chance of affecting his AFL career.

So yeah, in hindsight we could probably have picked up a player at 23 who didn't do all that stuff, and who has less than a reasonable possibility of starting the 2014 season behind bars. I don't have a problem admitting that.

What I do have a problem with is your assertion that our recruiters should have somehow seen all of that coming, and picked someone else.

By the way, could you explain the Marlon Pickett reference to me?

*allegedly.

There is no point discussing Marlon Pickett because you deleted all the posts, so I can't prove anything. But that's the advantage you have in being a moderator. If you can't remember it then that's not my problem.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

There is no point discussing Marlon Pickett because you deleted all the posts, so I can't prove anything. But that's the advantage you have in being a moderator. If you can't remember it then that's not my problem.

Yeah. Something should have been done to separate the two Swan Districts colts players...

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

There is no point discussing Marlon Pickett because you deleted all the posts, so I can't prove anything. But that's the advantage you have in being a moderator. If you can't remember it then that's not my problem.

What posts? In what thread?

I've never seen Marlon Pickett play. As I understand it he's played about two league games for Souths, during that time I've been in Victoria. Am I supposed to be pro-drafting him or against it?

 

[Masto]

Hanging out with a 17 year-old Dayle Garlett in 2011 was enough of a red flag?

In hindsight there is always red flags, they just couldn't see them. Next time, they have to do better.

 

[Butler]

Meh, hanging out with Dayle Garlett should be enough of a red flag. Its not rocket science.

Most of the Garlett criticism came before last years draft wasn't it? Newman was taken a year before that.

By the sounds of it you're expecting a lot more than just rocket science from the recruiters.