Dick

[King Woodie]

Guys I am as optimistic as the next pies man and I am always getting bagged from ppl at work because I am so!! But I can't help but be worried that we MAY have another Chris Egan here... I hope I'm wrong and I'm making an uneducated call because I haven't seen him since he last played and to be honest I don't really remember much lol. Does anybody share my thoughts or can anyone help me change my mind because he could be the one that frees up Dids, Daisy, Leon, etc... to help further bolster our midfield stocks!!!

He will definitely be one that will help free up our forwardline players for midfield roles. He was touted as such last year until he did his knee, meaning Meddy had to spend more time deep in the 50.

He has plus speed (without being lightening) and has genuine dual sided skills. He is not soft, but will be a purely outside player due to his size.

Don't be scared of him being another Egan - even if he doesn't make it he was taken with a lowish pick and therefore little was foregone to have him on the list (unlike Egan who cost us pick 10... or even pick 7 if you take it further...)

 

[loki04]

Guys I am as optimistic as the next pies man and I am always getting bagged from ppl at work because I am so!! But I can't help but be worried that we MAY have another Chris Egan here... I hope I'm wrong and I'm making an uneducated call because I haven't seen him since he last played and to be honest I don't really remember much lol. Does anybody share my thoughts or can anyone help me change my mind because he could be the one that frees up Dids, Daisy, Leon, etc... to help further bolster our midfield stocks!!!

Nah dick is more silkier and Faster then Egan AND MOST IMPORTANTLY A HARDER WORKER , Egan was actually pretty slow still cringe at the GF sprint a few years bak.

 

[motr]

Guys I am as optimistic as the next pies man and I am always getting bagged from ppl at work because I am so!! But I can't help but be worried that we MAY have another Chris Egan here... I hope I'm wrong and I'm making an uneducated call because I haven't seen him since he last played and to be honest I don't really remember much lol. Does anybody share my thoughts or can anyone help me change my mind because he could be the one that frees up Dids, Daisy, Leon, etc... to help further bolster our midfield stocks!!!

What makes you think Dick will be anything like Egan. Fail to see the similarity.

 

[shawthing09]

The thing that automatically makes Egan and Dick non comparable is the enjoyment that Brad has when he is playing. His got a boyish love for the game that is awesome to see. You can't imagine Brad making half / token efforts.

I generally am not a fan of players who are purely outside, as Brad will have to be at AFL level (he'd be crushed if he ever tried to go hard into a contest) but his got such great pace and kicking skills that I deffinately see the value in him playing a HFF linking role in the same manner as Davey.

 

[tranquilli lace]

Dick sporting a new tough sticka too, right on the neck. He's bad ass!

 

[recon]

Play Dick on the wing he is quick and has elite kicking skills.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I also fail to see any similarity between Egan and Dick. They are completely different players and have totally different attitudes.

 

[rand corp]

I could recommend a course of little blue pills that would see dick fatten up in about 20 minutes!!!


More seriously though, the kid has heaps of talent and smarts and -whilst coming back from a knee is always a tough year- I'm quietly confident that this kid will make it in the next two years. Wing looks his best option at the moment, reads the play well, can run up and down the ground, will carry the ball and has beautiful foot skills, but also loves to get forward and kick goals.

 

[person_pitch]

^ Hmm, do you mean steroids? I wonder how much they'd actually help. I've been reading about them a bit recently, in a body-builder context though. I wonder how much of a difference it would make if a whole AFL team incorporated them into their weight-lifting routines. And whether roids could be the making of players like Dick, Hill, Blease, etc.

It's a pretty interesting topic actually, there's some evidence that they're not too harmful if used appropriately. And they're obviously commonplace in bodybuilding, but I wonder how effectively they can be used when you also have to train for aerobic fitness etc. rather than just strength/size.

 

[OniAu]

^ Hmm, do you mean steroids? I wonder how much they'd actually help. I've been reading about them a bit recently, in a body-builder context though. I wonder how much of a difference it would make if a whole AFL team incorporated them into their weight-lifting routines. And whether roids could be the making of players like Dick, Hill, Blease, etc.

It's a pretty interesting topic actually, there's some evidence that they're not too harmful if used appropriately. And they're obviously commonplace in bodybuilding, but I wonder how effectively they can be used when you also have to train for aerobic fitness etc. rather than just strength/size.

im assuming he meant viagra

 

[Kirby]

^Umm, I'm pretty sure he's talking about Viagra.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I wonder how much of a difference it would make if a whole AFL team incorporated them into their weight-lifting routines.

A pretty big difference, as they'd all be nailed by ASADA if they get their testing regimes right. Once a few players tested positive to a banned substance, I imagine the rest would be target-tested.

 

[person_pitch]

im assuming he meant viagra

^Umm, I'm pretty sure he's talking about Viagra.

haha, oops, caught unawares by the Dick joke. I'm too young to know what colour viagra pills are.

A pretty big difference, as they'd all be nailed by ASADA if they get their testing regimes right. Once a few players tested positive to a banned substance, I imagine the rest would be target-tested.

Yeah I guess so. Perhaps we shouldn't try it then. Although hypothetically it would be very interesting if steroids were legal. I'm not sure that there would be that much of a use for them, seeing that some players at least aren't at their maximum genetic potential in size anyway (e.g. I'm pretty sure Medhurst purposely lost muscle after coming to the Pies in order to increase mobility etc.). But it could make highly-skilled but naturally light players like Dick much more highly prized. Anyway...

 

[FIGJAM]

Dick is a goal creating machine. I saw plenty of Vfl in 2007 and Dick was responsible for more goals than anyone else; either bagging them himself, or hitting blokes on the tit quite often with a precision that Buckley would be proud of.

Most cite size as an issue but for mine, this isn't 1978...he will get protected by the scumps and should get protected by our bigger boys. Where I think he needs to improve (other than recover 100%) is to get involved more. A bigger tank is what he needs. If he can simply yet the ball, you can put down your glasses because he has a hurt factor of 12!

Egan was a freak player. He relied on confidence and the ability to break games open with the impossible. Sadly, he never really found that with us and his knee injury couldn't have come at a worse time for him.

Dick on the otherhand is your more your Aaron Davey type who hurts hard without having to do the riddiculous (although some degree of freak is there).

 

[King Woodie]

I also fail to see any similarity between Egan and Dick. They are completely different players and have totally different attitudes.

I see quite a few, the most obvious one being they are both aboriginal (that's right people, it is not a dirty word).

Also:

They are both outside players who don't really have a shot at being inside midfielders.
They are both forward / wingman types
They both have reasonable pace without it being a significant weapon
They are both reasonably skilled at times
They are both arguably capable of setting the game alight, although struggle to have done it consistently.

 

[magpiewarrior]

Guys you are all saying that he can't be an inside player because of his size, but Tony Francis (Scoota) was a veritable midget and he was brilliant in and under. To paraphrase; "It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog."

 

[FIGJAM]

Also:

They are both outside players who don't really have a shot at being inside midfielders.
They are both forward / wingman types
They both have reasonable pace without it being a significant weapon
They are both reasonably skilled at times
They are both arguably capable of setting the game alight, although struggle to have done it consistently.

Dick is very fast and possibly the best kick on our list.

With regard to consistency, Dick just needs to get more of it, whereas Egan had to get more of it and stop butchering it.

They are both outside Abodiginals...that's where it ends IMO.

 

[King Woodie]

I agree that Dick has the potential to be the best kick on our list, and most likely is at training, etc. But in the heat of battle is another thing, and for a fact in the last game he played (barring the knee injury game against West Coast) two of his few kicks were disasters when he was running through the middle of the ground with little pressure and delivering to a forward (the Dubai game).

I am not using this to judge him, because a lot of players with excellent footskills take time to settle down, but he doesn't hit it perfect as much as he would like to.

Egan was quick - he recorded a 2.95 20m time. This compares to 2.94 for Thomas.

And my comment about Dick was that he didn't have Davey (plural) type speed. I know he is quick.

 

[Jabso]

Dick is a consistently good kick and often times brilliant, he can perform some clangers. Egan is more athletic and had a great handball but was way more prone to clangers than Dick.

I think Egan's style was best compared to a quicker more athletically gifted (in terms of acceleration and agility) Embley where Dick's style is similar to a more vanilla Farmer that plays up the ground more.

Note: style not ability

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

I love Dick...

not sure if he fits in our forward line though.

 

[DoubleO7]

Q. Has Dick played in our forward line yet?

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

Q. Has Dick played in our forward line yet?

Yes.
Although I'm not sure if he will again.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I see quite a few, the most obvious one being they are both aboriginal (that's right people, it is not a dirty word).

Also:

They are both outside players who don't really have a shot at being inside midfielders.
They are both forward / wingman types
They both have reasonable pace without it being a significant weapon
They are both reasonably skilled at times
They are both arguably capable of setting the game alight, although struggle to have done it consistently.

The poster was concerned that we'd gotten another Chris Egan, and to that extent their (Egan and Dick's) aboriginality is not really relevant. One would imagine that he's worried that their playing styles are similar, whereas being indigenous is far more all-encompassing. I wouldn't be elated that we'd found "another Scott Pendlebury" if it emerged that another player on the list listened to 50 Cent in the car on the way to games like he does, so I'll limit my discussion to football rather than ancestry or lifestyle.

Dick and Egan are both outside players, however Dick is forced to be so because he is a drink of water. He could play far more inside (yet still predominately outside) if he put some weight on. Egan had the body, but was still outside/a spectator.

Forward/wingman is not a playing style, it's a position. As I've argued in other threads, Darren Jarman won a flag playing FF, and Tony Lockett is the league's leading goal scorer from FF, but I wouldn't attempt to compare them in any aspect of the game. Completely different players.

Egan may have tested quick, but as he has zero intensity it's really only of use wearing a numbered t-shirt on a basketball court, or when he's got the ball in hand and taking bounces on the wing. The former happened once, the latter maybe a handful of times in his AFL career. Dick is genuinely quick and uses his pace often, whether it be in attacking the ball, chasing a man, applying "perceived pressure" or running to provide an option.

Egan is skilled, however he frequently aims to take the lowest percentage option, resulting in a very high clanger/turnover count. Dick is supremely skilled in terms of disposing of the ball, especially by foot, and routinely picks the correct option and makes it hurt. Yes, he may have had a few clangers in Dubai, but so did everyone else on the field as it was pre-season in a nothing game, and no-one was tuned up with their ball skills yet (except perhaps the Adelaide Crows).

I think the last point was quite arguable, to the extent that Egan perhaps did it once, and Dick has only showed glimpses (such as the exquisite pass to Lockyer in the goalsquare). As such I don't really have enough to go on to address this one.

Aside from all that, I largely agree with FIGJAM.

 

[Skade]

Q. Has Dick played in our forward line yet?

Have you seem him play

 

[DoubleO7]

Have you seem him play

Not really.