Do Carlton need to undertake a list rebuild?

[Fadge]

As always... Kindergarten level analysis.

Is there any team in the competition who would be a chance of contending for a top 4 position without any of their group of 5-6 best players playing well?

Do we reckon Brisbane would be going as well as they are if Neale, Andrews, McCluggage, Zorko, Bailey and Dunkley were all having terrible years by their usual standards?

Geelong if all of Holmes, Smith, Stewart, Cameron, Miers and Dangerfield were?

Collingwood if all of N.Daicos, J.Daicos, Cameron, Moore and De Goey were?

Every team can cover 1 or 2 of their stars being out or down on form if they've got enough quality on their list. But thats not what has occurred with Carlton this season. Basically the entire senior group including most of our players just below our 'A graders' are having career worst seasons. No team in the comp can go well while thats occurring.

Pies had that exact situation occur last season and they didn't even make the 8 despite you tipping them to go back to back that year. It was Nicky or bust for the Pies in 2024 with everyone else looking off their best.

LOLOLOLOL.

All of the above teams can and have been able to cover one, two or three of their very best 6 over the course of multiple seasons.

Carlton need EVERY one of their top 6 humming to position themselves for finals, and potentially contend for top 4, which is never going to happen.

Carlton's list will regress for the second consecutive season this off season, and will be ripe for a bottom 4 finish in 2026.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

LOLOLOLOL.

All of the above teams can and have been able to cover one, two or three of their very best 6 over the course of multiple seasons.

Carlton need EVERY one of their top 6 humming to position themselves for finals, and potentially contend for top 4, which is never going to happen.

Carlton's list will regress for the second consecutive season this off season, and will be ripe for a bottom 4 finish in 2026.

When Carlton were up and going in 2023 we were missing Mckay, Walsh and Cerra for chunks of that end of season run and Cripps was nowhere near his Brownlow best.

But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative!

As I said. Kindergarten.

 

[Fadge]

When Carlton were up and going in 2023 we were missing Mckay, Walsh and Cerra for chunks of that end of season run and Cripps was nowhere near his Brownlow best.

But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative!

As I said. Kindergarten.

Yep, and I've explained on multiple occasions why that 2023 end of season run overstated Carlton's capabilities.

Port fielded half a team in preparation for the Pies game the following week.
Dissentgate against Freo.
Dead rubber for Pies after top 2/top 4 already locked away.
Petracca goal incorrectly paid a point.

Half of those results go against Carlton and they miss the top 8.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yep, and I've explained on multiple occasions why that 2023 end of season run overstated Carlton's capabilities.

Port fielded half a team in preparation for the Pies game the following week.
Dissentgate against Freo.
Dead rubber for Pies after top 2/top 4 already locked away.
Petracca goal incorrectly paid a point.

Half of those results go against Carlton and they miss the top 8.

'Dissentgate'



You really do struggle...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

"Port fielded half a team in preparation for the Pies game the following week"

Yeah I'm sure aside from the three injuries they were really keen to make sure Sam Hayes and Quinton Narkle

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were cherry ripe for Collingwood the next week!

 

[carlton_99]

Carlton need EVERY one of their top 6 humming to position themselves for finals, and potentially contend for top 4, which is never going to happen.

2023 literally proves this whole argument wrong. Carlton went 11-1 to make the PF (including EF and SF) and only really had Walsh, Cerra and Weitering playing at a high level. McKay missed 4 games with injury. Walsh missed 4 games with injury. Cripps was fine without being close to his best form which we saw in 2022 and 2024. Curnow was getting double-teamed in every game McKay missed and didn't have much of an impact in the two finals we won in terms of hitting the scoreboard. And not sure who our 6th was at the time you are referring to but Cerra who was comfortably in that group in 2023 also missed 3 games in that run.

 

[Fadge]

"Port fielded half a team in preparation for the Pies game the following week"

Yeah I'm sure aside from the three injuries they were really keen to make sure Sam Hayes and Quinton Narkle were cherry ripe for Collingwood the next week!

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'Injuries', and they were ready to go the following week....

 

[Corn Cobbers]

'Dissentgate'

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You really do struggle...

We're still waiting for evidence of Fadge tipping Carlton to finish 17th in a year they made a prelim

No one struggles more than you Walshy, pretty much every prediction you made off-season has gone the other way

 

[Fadge]

2023 literally proves this whole argument wrong. Carlton went 11-1 to finish the season (including EF and SF) and only really had Walsh, Cerra and Weitering playing at a high level. McKay missed 4 games with injury. Walsh missed 4 games with injury. Cripps was fine without being close to his best form which we saw in 2022 and 2024. Curnow was getting double-teamed in every game McKay missed and didn't have much of an impact in the two finals we won in terms of hitting the scoreboard. And not sure who our 6th was at the time you are referring to but Cerra who was comfortably in that group in 2023 also missed 3 games in that run.

De Koning has been #6 in your top 6 for the last two seasons.

Keep making excuses. 'Double teamed', etc.

Carlton have needed everything to go right for them to contend for a flag, which is why they haven't done so.

And when a few things go wrong, they regress to being one of the worst teams in the comp.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

2023 literally proves this whole argument wrong. Carlton went 11-1 to make the PF (including EF and SF) and only really had Walsh, Cerra and Weitering playing at a high level. McKay missed 4 games with injury. Walsh missed 4 games with injury. Cripps was fine without being close to his best form which we saw in 2022 and 2024. Curnow was getting double-teamed in every game McKay missed and didn't have much of an impact in the two finals we won in terms of hitting the scoreboard. And not sure who our 6th was at the time you are referring to but Cerra who was comfortably in that group in 2023 also missed 3 games in that run.

You also had a bunch of players who are no longer there

The cavalry is gone, nothing left but bland mediocrity

 

[Fadge]

You also had a bunch of players who are no longer there

The cavalry is gone, nothing left but bland mediocrity

But there are some green shoots...

 

[carlton_99]

De Koning has been #6 in your top 6 for the last two seasons.

Keep making excuses. 'Double teamed', etc.

Carlton have needed everything to go right for them to contend for a flag, which is why they haven't done so.

And when a few things go wrong, they regress to being one of the worst teams in the comp.

TDK was not in our top 6 players in 2023 which is the season I referred to. It was comfortably Cerra ahead of him who would have won our BnF if not for a late season hamstring against the Pies.

And what excuses? Curnow had limited impact to finish the season. Not sure how that can be argued. It goes directly against your argument that we need all our best players humming to position themselves for finals. Going 11-1 to reach the PF is a pretty good effort with only three of your best players playing at a high level (and only one of those three not missing games in that run) and directly goes against your sole argument here.

 

[carlton_99]

You also had a bunch of players who are no longer there

The cavalry is gone, nothing left but bland mediocrity

What does that have to do with anything? The argument which Fadge has been peddling for years is that Carlton can't position themselves for finals without all of their top 6 humming. Carlton were able to win 11 of their last 12 games to reach a PF without that happening.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

But there are some green shoots...

 

[Fadge]

Going 12-1 to reach the PF is a pretty good effort with only three of your best players playing at a high level (and only one of those three not missing games in that run).

Keep reminiscing about that stretch...

As I said at the time, it overstated how good Carlton are, and guess what has happened since.

There are exceptions, and there are rules...

 

[Fadge]

What does that have to do with anything? The argument which Fadge has been peddling for years is that Carlton can't position themselves for finals without all of their top 6 humming. Carlton were able to win 11 of their last 12 games to reach a PF without that happening.

No.

I said Carlton can't contend for a premiership without their top 6 humming, and guess what?

 

[carlton_99]

Keep reminiscing about that stretch...

As I said at the time, it overstated how good Carlton are, and guess what has happened since.

There are exceptions, and there are rules...

So you agree that Carlton were able to position themselves for a finals run without all of their best players humming as you claimed was not something they could not do?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

What does that have to do with anything? The argument which Fadge has been peddling for years is that Carlton can't position themselves for finals without all of their top 6 humming. Carlton were able to win 11 of their last 12 games to reach a PF without that happening.

You had a cavalry in those days, it's gone

Need a rebuild as per the thread title

 

[carlton_99]

No.

I said Carlton can't contend for a premiership without their top 6 humming, and guess what?

Carlton need EVERY one of their top 6 humming to position themselves for finals,

 

[Fadge]

So you agree that Carlton were able to position themselves for a finals run without all of their best players humming as you claimed was not something they could not do?

Oh boy.

If you think 'having a finals run' is the same as 'contending for a premiership', you have some learning to do...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We're still waiting for evidence of Fadge tipping Carlton to finish 17th in a year they made a prelim

No one struggles more than you Walshy, pretty much every prediction you made off-season has gone the other way

I've posted screenshots many times before Corn, it appears the Squib has gone and deleted his old posts about it!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

'Injuries', and they were ready to go the following week....

Is this the first time in history a player has missed 1 week with injury or something?

 

[Fadge]

I've posted screenshots many times before Corn, it appears the Squib has gone and deleted his old posts about it!

I have never deleted a post in my life.

I have no reason to.

Unlike some of you folk...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

2023 literally proves this whole argument wrong. Carlton went 11-1 to make the PF (including EF and SF) and only really had Walsh, Cerra and Weitering playing at a high level. McKay missed 4 games with injury. Walsh missed 4 games with injury. Cripps was fine without being close to his best form which we saw in 2022 and 2024. Curnow was getting double-teamed in every game McKay missed and didn't have much of an impact in the two finals we won in terms of hitting the scoreboard. And not sure who our 6th was at the time you are referring to but Cerra who was comfortably in that group in 2023 also missed 3 games in that run.

They don't care about facts if they disprove their troll posts.

They only like facts if they support the rubbish they post.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Oh boy.

If you think 'having a finals run' is the same as 'contending for a premiership', you have some learning to do...

It was the greatest run in history Fadge, all guns firing and Charlie unstoppable, don't you dare talk it down