Do We Actually Have A Good List?

[THE STING2]

We don't have as defensive back pocket, we don't have any running backman that can use the ball. Garland and Rivers prefer to be the third tall when Frawley is better at being the 3rd tall than anyone, he is expected to play 6 positions on the ground. We have a 1 man backline.

We rely on Moloney to get all our clearances. Davey and Scully are the only 2 that can create run but are easily tagged like Moloney.

We don't have any key forwards or small forwards.

We will never win a flag with this many holes in the team no matter what coach we get.

Cameron was a disaster and Prendergast looks like he is going the same way. He had a dodgy first year with no improvement shown by Blease, Strauss, Bennell and Jetta. Watts still has a question mark on him and Bail while injury prone has shown promise.

His second year looks promising with Scully (If we can keep him), Trengove, Gysberts, Tapscott and Gawn showing something while Fitzpatrick has been injury prone.

His 3rd year has been a disaster. It's a midfielders game and we went for 4 talls to go with the last 2 we picked in last years draft, with only Howe showing something. This is what ended Bailey's career and it should end Prendergast's.

Time to go for the best recruiters, they are as important as coach's. Start getting professional Dees. Time to only go for the people who now about success, no more nomad failures who can't get a spot in another team and no more VFL heroes.

The team as I see it:

B: ?, ?, Frawley
HB: ?, ?, ?
C: ?, Moloney, ?
HF: ?, ?, ?
F: ?, ?, ?
FOLL: Jamar, Scully, McKenzie
IC: Martin, ?, ?
SUB: ?

Tapscott, Rivers, Garland, Grimes, Davey, Jones, Bail, Sylvia, Watts, Petterd, Jurrah, Green, Howe, Gysberts and Trengove all have issues on either what is their best position? or do they deserve to keep their spot in the team? or both?

 

[Demon 16]

Our list is in very good shape - just a few years away.

They need structure and support right now - not this tripe.

 

[THE STING2]

Our list is in very good shape - just a few years away.

They need structure and support right now - not this tripe.

We should keep Bailey shouldn't we?

I just can't understand how you can continuely go on about this club doing no wrong. Open up your eyes, this club is in crisis. Our club just got belted by 30 goals and our VFL team which was pretty strong got belted by 20 goals.

We have serious list issues and your blind faith in the club amazes me.

My ass the club needs support, it needs hardening up, some home truths, not better luck next time, keep your chin up.

 

[couchy555]

The best thing for Melbourne would be that your list is actually quite good but has not been developed properly, and if this is the case then it does make for a good argument for Baileys ( and possibly others) dismisal.

 

[Tulip]

Rubbish. Absolute reactive garbage.

Im on my phone, but when I'm on the computer later I'll break it down

 

[syl]

Absolute garbage thread...

 

[BrunoV]

The OP is joking right?

If you guys land Malhouse I for one will be very worried about needing to compete with another powerhouse side.


If the gossip re the player revolt is true it will take one tough **** so there doesn't seem to be any option but to go for a Malthouse/Matthews/Roos type.

 

[tap_my_scott]

our list is very damn good.


Just need an experienced and proven coach who can unleash its potential.

 

[Captain Jack]

What a ridiculous OP... Wow.

Had the recruiting department followed LS's infinite wisdom and got more mids last year, I have a feeling that he'd be the first person to bemoan our lack of KPD options beyond Warnock.

Such is Bigfooty.

 

[easter31]

We have an average list when you consider what we could have had. Our recruiting over the last decade has been well below many other teams that had selection after us.

2001 Molan, Armstrong, Rogers - All gone
2002 Bell, Nick Smith - gone
2003 Sylvia, McLean - Sylvia average, McLean gone
2004 Bate, Dunn - struggling to stay on list - C graders
2005 Jones, Buckley - Jones o/k B grader, Buckley playing with Premiers
2006 Frawley, Pettard - Both good selections
2007 Grimes, Maric - Grimes good, Maric likely to be delisted
2008 Watts - Good, Blease, Strauss, Bennell, Jetta will struggle to make it at this level

As can be seen the majority of picks are gone or on the verge of delisting.
2009 was a good 2nd draft for Prendergast with Scully, Trengove etc. Mind you it would be hard to get this wrong.

We do not have a balance list with too may light/skinny players. Even our KP players like Rivers, Garland, Cook, Jurrrah, Fitzpatrick are lightweights compared to the opposition thay have to play against.

Imagine what sort of list we could have had if Craig Cameron got it right.

 

[KeilorUnder9s]

I don't think your list has been playing together long enough to make a call on being good or not. One of your main issues is like our list it is devoid of on field leadership and the Cats exploited this bigtime.

 

[omit]

You complain we wont win a flag because we don't have enough talls forward and back and then you complain when we select talls saying it's a midfielders game.

Nice troll shit troll

 

[guitarded]

i can't believe i read that. and then posted.

 

[Topkent]

We don't have as defensive back pocket, we don't have any running backman that can use the ball. Garland and Rivers prefer to be the third tall when Frawley is better at being the 3rd tall than anyone, he is expected to play 6 positions on the ground. We have a 1 man backline.

We rely on Moloney to get all our clearances. Davey and Scully are the only 2 that can create run but are easily tagged like Moloney.

We don't have any key forwards or small forwards.

We will never win a flag with this many holes in the team no matter what coach we get.

Cameron was a disaster and Prendergast looks like he is going the same way. He had a dodgy first year with no improvement shown by Blease, Strauss, Bennell and Jetta. Watts still has a question mark on him and Bail while injury prone has shown promise.

His second year looks promising with Scully (If we can keep him), Trengove, Gysberts, Tapscott and Gawn showing something while Fitzpatrick has been injury prone.

His 3rd year has been a disaster. It's a midfielders game and we went for 4 talls to go with the last 2 we picked in last years draft, with only Howe showing something. This is what ended Bailey's career and it should end Prendergast's.

Time to go for the best recruiters, they are as important as coach's. Start getting professional Dees. Time to only go for the people who now about success, no more nomad failures who can't get a spot in another team and no more VFL heroes.

The team as I see it:

B: ?, ?, Frawley
HB: ?, ?, ?
C: ?, Moloney, ?
HF: ?, ?, ?
F: ?, ?, ?
FOLL: Jamar, Scully, McKenzie
IC: Martin, ?, ?
SUB: ?

Tapscott, Rivers, Garland, Grimes, Davey, Jones, Bail, Sylvia, Watts, Petterd, Jurrah, Green, Howe, Gysberts and Trengove all have issues on either what is their best position? or do they deserve to keep their spot in the team? or both?

i dont disagree with everything but u cant say we lack talls and then critisize us for drafting talls

i agree we have way too many midsized players and not enough hard ball winning midfielders, but to be fair most of this list was drafted under the last department not the current..

the only thing im critical of is taking blease and strauss around shuey, we dont need to skinny HBF we should have taken another ball winning midfielders, we have far too many outsiders and not enough mckenzies

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Your list is good enough to be challenging for a top six position on the ladder. The fact you are going to score a half decent pick this year doesn't please me either.

 

[THE STING2]

i dont disagree with everything but u cant say we lack talls and then critisize us for drafting talls

I have been through this. Build a midfield, no use having talls if you can't get it to them in the first place.

The talls they went for were baffling, Cook is too skinny and slow, Howe is not a key position player, Davis and McDonald are key backs a position we have been realitively stable.

It's great to see the I love Bailey brigade have a go at me like they always do even though history will show that I'm right nearly all the time, you just don't like it cos I'm constantly critical of the club.

Demon16 you can't have it both ways, either Bailey was a disaster as a coach or our list just isn't that good.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

We don't have as defensive back pocket, we don't have any running backman that can use the ball. Garland and Rivers prefer to be the third tall when Frawley is better at being the 3rd tall than anyone, he is expected to play 6 positions on the ground. We have a 1 man backline.

... what? We have Strauss, Nicholson, Tapscott and Frawley who provide run from defence. Add Davey to that.

You can't expect all young players to be stars from the get go, running backmen especially tend to take time.

We don't have three '3rd tall' defenders!! Rivers is a classic third tall player. Frawley is great defensively and does the jobs on the best forward as well as being our primary re-bounder. Garland needs a bit more weight but he was in great form before his injury this year IMO.

We rely on Moloney to get all our clearances. Davey and Scully are the only 2 that can create run but are easily tagged like Moloney.

We don't have any key forwards or small forwards.

We will never win a flag with this many holes in the team no matter what coach we get.

Moloney is our only developed clearance player. Scully, Trengove and Gysberts will all get there in the next few years.

We have Maric and Bennell. Both have talent but their attitude is questionable.

In my opinion, Davey should go back to being a crumbing forward.

Watts will be a key forward. Cook will be a key forward. Problem solved.

Cameron was a disaster and Prendergast looks like he is going the same way. He had a dodgy first year with no improvement shown by Blease, Strauss, Bennell and Jetta. Watts still has a question mark on him and Bail while injury prone has shown promise.

Blease has missed almost 2 years of footy with a broken leg, champagne comedy.

Strauss hasn't improved? What player are you watching? He has improved vastly. Bennell and Jetta could have futures if they develop as small forwards.

Watts has no question marks for me. Mckenzie and Jurrah from outside the ND as well. Not a bad first year.

His second year looks promising with Scully (If we can keep him), Trengove, Gysberts, Tapscott and Gawn showing something while Fitzpatrick has been injury prone.

His 3rd year has been a disaster. It's a midfielders game and we went for 4 talls to go with the last 2 we picked in last years draft, with only Howe showing something. This is what ended Bailey's career and it should end Prendergast's.

2nd year is great, we agree.

His third year was a top up, addressing the need for depth of tall talent. We have got our young mids, yes we will need to add some depth but the base is clearly there.

Time to go for the best recruiters, they are as important as coach's. Start getting professional Dees. Time to only go for the people who now about success, no more nomad failures who can't get a spot in another team and no more VFL heroes.

The team as I see it:

B: ?, ?, Frawley
HB: ?, ?, ?
C: ?, Moloney, ?
HF: ?, ?, ?
F: ?, ?, ?
FOLL: Jamar, Scully, McKenzie
IC: Martin, ?, ?
SUB: ?

Tapscott, Rivers, Garland, Grimes, Davey, Jones, Bail, Sylvia, Watts, Petterd, Jurrah, Green, Howe, Gysberts and Trengove all have issues on either what is their best position? or do they deserve to keep their spot in the team? or both?

All those players you named are in and around our best 22.

My team going forward (2012);

B: Rivers Frawley Nicholson
HB: Strauss Garland Grimes
C: Sylvia Moloney Trengove
HF: Petterd Watts Tapscott
F: Jurrah Cook Davey
FOLL: Jamar Scully McKenzie
IC: Martin Gysberts Howe
SUB: Green

Emg: Bail, Jones, Gawn, Macdonald

If Scully goes move Grimes to the midfield and Macdonald to the flank.

Players who are in danger at years end;

Dunn, Bate, Warnock, Maric (I think he will get another chance though), Bartram (only through trade)

 

[Logger]

We don't have as defensive back pocket, we don't have any running backman that can use the ball. Garland and Rivers prefer to be the third tall when Frawley is better at being the 3rd tall than anyone, he is expected to play 6 positions on the ground. We have a 1 man backline.

And yet:

The talls they went for were baffling, Cook is too skinny and slow, Howe is not a key position player, Davis and McDonald are key backs a position we have been realitively stable.

We rely on Moloney to get all our clearances. Davey and Scully are the only 2 that can create run but are easily tagged like Moloney.

Could you please name 5 midfielders who aren't easily tagged? Just so I know where Moloney, Davey and Scully are going wrong.

We don't have any key forwards or small forwards.We will never win a flag with this many holes in the team no matter what coach we get.

And yet:

I have been through this. Build a midfield, no use having talls if you can't get it to them in the first place.

It's great to see the I love Bailey brigade have a go at me like they always do even though history will show that I'm right nearly all the time, you just don't like it cos I'm constantly critical of the club.

You might always be right because you always take the two opposite views and argue them both vigourously!

Demon16 you can't have it both ways, either Bailey was a disaster as a coach or our list just isn't that good.

Of course they aren't that good, they have an average of 30-50 games! Once that average gets to 100 odd, they'll be good. We need a decent coach to ensure they play well together.

 

[THE STING2]

... what? We have Strauss, Nicholson, Tapscott and Frawley who provide run from defence. Add Davey to that.

You can't expect all young players to be stars from the get go, running backmen especially tend to take time.

We don't have three '3rd tall' defenders!! Rivers is a classic third tall player. Frawley is great defensively and does the jobs on the best forward as well as being our primary re-bounder. Garland needs a bit more weight but he was in great form before his injury this year IMO.



Moloney is our only developed clearance player. Scully, Trengove and Gysberts will all get there in the next few years.

We have Maric and Bennell. Both have talent but their attitude is questionable.

In my opinion, Davey should go back to being a crumbing forward.

Watts will be a key forward. Cook will be a key forward. Problem solved.



Blease has missed almost 2 years of footy with a broken leg, champagne comedy.

Strauss hasn't improved? What player are you watching? He has improved vastly. Bennell and Jetta could have futures if they develop as small forwards.

Watts has no question marks for me. Mckenzie and Jurrah from outside the ND as well. Not a bad first year.



2nd year is great, we agree.

His third year was a top up, addressing the need for depth of tall talent. We have got our young mids, yes we will need to add some depth but the base is clearly there.



All those players you named are in and around our best 22.

My team going forward (2012);

B: Rivers Frawley Nicholson
HB: Strauss Garland Grimes
C: Sylvia Moloney Trengove
HF: Petterd Watts Tapscott
F: Jurrah Cook Davey
FOLL: Jamar Scully McKenzie
IC: Martin Gysberts Howe
SUB: Green

Emg: Bail, Jones, Gawn, Macdonald

If Scully goes move Grimes to the midfield and Macdonald to the flank.

Players who are in danger at years end;

Dunn, Bate, Warnock, Maric (I think he will get another chance though), Bartram (only through trade)

Where do I start? Strauss won't make it he is a brain dead dud. Bookmark it.

Nicholson is a horrible user of the ball and it's not hard to take Davey out of the game.

I think we should agree to disagree on the tall backs. Rivers doesn't do enough and Garland is too up and down.

There is hope in the midfield but how long do we have wait? The way the club desintergrates who knows how long we have before we are well and truely back in the dark days.

We have no crumbing forwards and I feel sorry for Cook and Watts 2 skinny kids who are going to have the burden of holding the forward line together.

Jurrah is a coward who doesn't like any body contact at all. Talent will only get you far, he has a lot to work on.

We also have too many medium forwards who don't give us a lot of flexibility.

McKenzie is the only beauty that we have and even he can't kick.

 

[THE STING2]

And yet:





Could you please name 5 midfielders who aren't easily tagged? Just so I know where Moloney, Davey and Scully are going wrong.


And yet:


You might always be right because you always take the two opposite views and argue them both vigourously!

Of course they aren't that good, they have an average of 30-50 games! Once that average gets to 100 odd, they'll be good. We need a decent coach to ensure they play well together.

I don't know how it's so hard to understand. You build your midfield first then backs and finish off with the forward line. I would rather see us with a great midfiled and nothing else than see us with what we have which is nothing.

Seriously no one gets tagged out of the game like our midfielders. The point you made was poor cos if you want to talk about lack of experience you can't get more experienced than Davey and Moloney.

The fact is they drafted not to improve short term and that is exactly what has happened only top 4 teams can think about long term not teams that finish 12th on the ladder.

We have been looking so far long term that we refuse to look at the present. They need a good mixture, that is their problem. Recruit kids that can play now not kids that might be good in 5 years time, too much crystal ball stuff from this club.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Where do I start? Strauss won't make it he is a brain dead dud. Bookmark it.

Um, no.

Nicholson is a horrible user of the ball and it's not hard to take Davey out of the game.

Doesn't mean he can't break the lines from defense.

I think we should agree to disagree on the tall backs. Rivers doesn't do enough and Garland is too up and down.

The only time Garland has been up and down this year is after returning from injury.

There is hope in the midfield but how long do we have wait? The way the club desintergrates who knows how long we have before we are well and truely back in the dark days.

We have no crumbing forwards and I feel sorry for Cook and Watts 2 skinny kids who are going to have the burden of holding the forward line together.


Jurrah is a coward who doesn't like any body contact at all. Talent will only get you far, he has a lot to work on.

We also have too many medium forwards who don't give us a lot of flexibility.

McKenzie is the only beauty that we have and even he can't kick.

I don't have the energy to answer the rest in detail.

We have crumbing options, Jurrah has some areas to work on but he is invaluable. Can turn games on their head and he will in finals.

McKenzie can kick, it's a mental thing.

 

[Logger]

I don't know how it's so hard to understand. You build your midfield first then backs and finish off with the forward line. I would rather see us with a great midfiled and nothing else than see us with what we have which is nothing.

So when BP recruited midfielders in his first year and forwards and backs with his second year... he's hopeless and got to go?!

Seriously no one gets tagged out of the game like our midfielders. The point you made was poor cos if you want to talk about lack of experience you can't get more experienced than Davey and Moloney.

The only midfielders I can think of who don't get tagged out of the game by good taggers are Judd, J.Selwood and GAJ; they get away with it by being utter freaks of nature. The inexperience note was in relation to the entire playing group performance over the last 4 years, not Davey's and Moloney's inability to break tags (you can tell because it's 6 paragraphs down from the point you're trying to make).

The fact is they drafted not to improve short term and that is exactly what has happened only top 4 teams can think about long term not teams that finish 12th on the ladder.

We have been looking so far long term that we refuse to look at the present. They need a good mixture, that is their problem. Recruit kids that can play now not kids that might be good in 5 years time, too much crystal ball stuff from this club.

Let me get this straight: clubs lower down the ladder ought to be thinking about short term gains and what they will be doing next season, whereas teams with their premiership window open right now should be recruiting for the future and finding project players rather than someone who can help their campaign next season...

Piss off Todd Viney, we've found our coaching messiah!

 

[Topkent]

So when BP recruited midfielders in his first year and forwards and backs with his second year... he's hopeless and got to go?!

The only midfielders I can think of who don't get tagged out of the game by good taggers are Judd, J.Selwood and GAJ; they get away with it by being utter freaks of nature. The inexperience note was in relation to the entire playing group performance over the last 4 years, not Davey's and Moloney's inability to break tags (you can tell because it's 6 paragraphs down from the point you're trying to make).


Let me get this straight: clubs lower down the ladder ought to be thinking about short term gains and what they will be doing next season, whereas teams with their premiership window open right now should be recruiting for the future and finding project players rather than someone who can help their campaign next season...

Piss off Todd Viney, we've found our coaching messiah!

i think we should top up the list with one or two hard bodied players to help the younger blokes out, someone said myles sewell and thats a ripping suggestion , theres plenty more out there to, its certainly not panic stations though..(although)

 

[Logger]

i think we should top up the list with one or two hard bodied players to help the younger blokes out, someone said myles sewell and thats a ripping suggestion , theres plenty more out there to, its certainly not panic stations though..(although)

I'm not entirely against something like that (though DB was, thus Junior and Bruce being shown the door) so long as whoever it is is helping the young kids develop rather than just list clogging.

Just a thought, when's trade week/the drafts? I'd want our 2012 coach selected ASAP so he can tell BP what to look for.

 

[Gazza_11]

I honestly can't believe that we've managed to form a list this good. It'll seriously be something, just give it time.