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Society/Culture Do you belive in Non Binary as a gender?
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That's not how Venn diagrams work. It is a supposed to represent the logical relations between a finite collection of things. But what does a gender of 'other' mean here? How does it intersect with sex?
And how does it help us to resolve whether biological males can play in female sport's teams or be assigned to women's prisons?
Notice how they're used interchangeably.
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It prompts the question. 'Begging the question' is something different.
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Nothing expressly dictates gender. 'Who' you are is more than your sexual orientation, more than the behaviours you put forth into the world, your habits and your likes and dislikes. You - the person behind the nomme de plume, Fadge - are more than sheer hatred of Carlton coupled with a dislike of research, even if you are defined by or choose to define yourself by those attributes.
Identity =/= gender, but it determines some part of gender.
Your sexual orientation =/= gender, but it determines some part of gender.
Your biological sex =/= gender, but it determines some part of gender.
Your likes/dislikes =/= gender, but they determine some part of your gender.
Your behaviour =/= gender, but it influences some part of your gender.
The other side of it is that each of these playes a role in shaping gender or identity, but the degree to which each specific thing is more or less important is an individual choice. Some people define themselves by their race. Some people define themselves by their jobs. Some by the team they support, their never ceasing hatred of another team (or group), some by a god they worship, or an ideology.
That's part of why this is a both kind of an important conversation topic and rather silly that we're arguing about it; who each of us are is and has always been an individual's personal choice. Only now are there people who are happy to inform people that their identity is not their personal choice, because their choice isn't one that they think is acceptable.
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'Some people define themselves by their jobs. Some by the team they support, their never ceasing hatred of another team (or group), some by a god they worship, or an ideology'
Surely and I hope this is an exceptional minority, in fact it's pretty clear if everyone had a 'hatred' of 'other' groups then we wouldn't exist. Self existential.
But this post pretty much sums it up, it's nuanced, that's a captain obvious. Still everyone on here has a hard on for either either.
It is not.
The 'term' 'gender' IS used to biologically define people, that is not up for debate.
The 'term' 'gender' IS a social construct, that is not up for debate.
Yes of course the above two sentences are in contradiction. Not the point.
Seems you agree. Yes they're different things, that's the point.
The point being they are in contradiction of each other, even though that should not be point.
Regardless of how much one wants the 'term' to be one or the other. Some use it as biological term and some use it as a construct, the majority use it as both.
Do you get it now?
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That's the thing, though: individuals decide for themselves what part of their makeup are important. All people have likes/dislikes, but a person or persons who chooses to define themselves by hatred of specific others certainly exist.
Most of us choose to define ourselves by other things, thankfully.
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If something is done incorrectly for whatever reason by an overwhelming majority, is it still being done incorrectly?
Say - for example - that a regional accent left the word 'discuss' being pronounced 'disgust'. Is the word still discuss, despite how many people within the region still pronounce it incorrectly?
Is the fact that people refer to gender as biological sex impede the concept that they are distinctly different things?
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It is puzzling - as far as I can work out the argument is that because some people informally use the words interchangeably, that means they CANNOT be different things even if they are distinct in an academic exchange.
So two people named "Michael" have to be the same person?
Not that any of their data is accurate anyway, but now it's even less accurate. How accurate can each organisation's HRIS be with regard to 'Gender'?
And should they change their name to the Workplace Sex Equality Agency?
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It wouldn't surprise me. Have you seen how they calculate the 'Gender Pay Gap'? (should it be 'Sex Pay Gap')?
The first stated objective in the Workplace Gender Equality Act 2012 is 'to promote and improve gender equality (including equal remuneration between women and men) in employment and in the workplace'
Definitions as per The Act:
man means a member of the male sex irrespective of age.
woman means a member of the female sex irrespective of age.
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Probably with the introduction of "cis".
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I dunno. Maybe they dont need an extra label on top of what they already are.
In other news water is wet
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