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Do you pray?

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Do you ever pray to your God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 44.6%

  • No

    Votes: 41 55.4%
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No, I don't pray.

I just don't need a god to believe in when I simply believe in myself and my own abilities.

Whatever I want or need in life, God simply can not help me. Only I can guide myself and make my own decisions.

As for a heaven, there is none in my book, however I do believe in reincarnation and my own living soul.
 
You want proof in God? That's absurd. First, prove there is reality. Reality is the illusion. Scientists don't know why there is any conistency in our everyday existence from second to second. Or more correctly, shake to shake - perhaps shorter increments than even that.

The floor below you and the desk you may be seated at are illusions. You can 'knock' on the desk and only touch an outer electron shell that is there only because you are knocking on it.

Science can't prove ****. Science can't demonstrate why there is an illusion for you to be currently sitting in. Or why that it continues to exist with any form of what our pea-brains call conistency with cause and effect. Yet, some of you want to sit in the illusion, and ask science (a science BTW which is irrelevant outside the illusion) to prove the existence of God. I find that amusing in a highly ironic sort of way.

Peace,
 
No doubt in my mind that science is the 'alternative' God.

Yet those that have science as a God often blame science for all the woes of the world (pollution, greenhouse gasses etc,). So is there a parallel here. Is Science in fact 'The Devil'?

Consider nature in all it's glory and how it keeps balance. This is a result of God according to believers in God.

Alternatively those who have no faith in God choose to listen to the scientists about the impending dooms of a world out of control, with ozone holess, ice caps melting etc. Do they choose the devil to worship without realizing?

Well, only supposition and I'nm not really suggesting anyone here is a devil worshipper, but it's an interesting thought.
 

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Great topic gods and religion. If you asked someone these days if they believe in magic or demons or fairies or a pantheon of gods or some other similar myths and fantasies, most people would laugh at you. Yet when you ask about god, then it is all taken very seriously.

Religion and gods were invented by ancient men to explain things they didn't understand. They became a comfort to people in a difficult world. Religion was then exploited to keep the masses in check and as a tool to make people do what you want, particularly wars.

The only purpose I can see in religion these days is that it can be a comfort to people who are feeling down or have lost a loved one or similar.

As far as god goes, I think it is a bit silly to really truly believe there is a god the way it says in the Bible or Quran or wherever. Sure, there is a chance there is some sort of almighty being, but quite different to our comprehension of it. As for praying - not really much point in that as far as I can see.
 
Originally posted by NMWBloods

As far as god goes, I think it is a bit silly to really truly believe there is a god the way it says in the Bible or Quran or wherever. Sure, there is a chance there is some sort of almighty being, but quite different to our comprehension of it.
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That sums up pretty well how I feel about religion and God. I do believe I guess that there IS a higher power, but the thing for me is I don't buy what's written in the Bible or what most religions preach or whatever.

As I've said though I respect those who do and don't ridicule their choices but religion just isn't for me.
 
Originally posted by Frodo
I suggest that they are making a claim that God does not exist.


As I see it a an athiest beleves that something can appear from nowhere. ie material just appeared. I believe that is illogical to the human brain which must believe at heart that material came from somewhere ie was created, therefore there must be a creator. I believe spiritual evidence confirms this.
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This is part of the way I think.
I do not believe in god.

I think perhaps there is a possibility that the Earth and Universe was just always here.

Time I think is really just a human was of measurment, and it gives Humans meaning. Humans need to believe that something was created, that there is a start and there is an end, to give life meaning.

I don't necessarily think that is the case however. Why can't there be the possibility that Earth and the Universe have always been here?
 
Another thought is, as above.

That god isn't the way we preceive it to be.
Perhaps he is a lifeforce yes. But everything around us is supposedly alive! Trees, plants, animals, humans, the Earth itself, are apparently all lifeforces.

So why can't the universe itself be a lifeforce?
 

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Originally posted by TheMase
I think perhaps there is a possibility that the Earth and Universe was just always here.

Time I think is really just a human was of measurment, and it gives Humans meaning. Humans need to believe that something was created, that there is a start and there is an end, to give life meaning.
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But where did the universe come from. If it is the start then the universe = god, so you believe in god

Time is as material as earth. We have a task to perform whilst here. Giving infinite time to a task means it never gets done. Imagine getting an exam and being given unlimited time to complete it !!
 
Originally posted by TheMase
Another thought is, as above.

That god isn't the way we preceive it to be.
Perhaps he is a lifeforce yes. But everything around us is supposedly alive! Trees, plants, animals, humans, the Earth itself, are apparently all lifeforces.

So why can't the universe itself be a lifeforce?
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What you call lifeforce is God, he is everywhere.
 
Originally posted by Frodo
But where did the universe come from. If it is the start then the universe = god, so you believe in god

Time is as material as earth. We have a task to perform whilst here. Giving infinite time to a task means it never gets done. Imagine getting an exam and being given unlimited time to complete it !!
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Time is a form of measurement.

Time is how long it takes the sun to complete a full orbit of the Earth, which is broken down into 24 hour days, which is broken down to 60 minutes in an hour and so on.

Time is a form of measurement, nothing more IMO.

Why does there have to be a start?
Your mind tells you there has to be, but why can't we accept that it was just THERE?
Who says that there had to be a start?

You say 'god' is all lifeforce. Then god isn't really a 'intelligent being' at all, he isn't even a he.

Just the same as there would be no heaven and hell, and certainly no devil (although your theory on Science being the devil is VERY interesting!).

God could possibly the the Universe and everything. But if god is all life force, does that mean we are praying to ourselves?
 
Originally posted by Frodo
But where did the universe come from. If it is the start then the universe = god, so you believe in god
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The primordial soup that existed before the universe as we know it was possibly created by some supernatural force, but that doesn't mean that it's "God" as man views it.
 
Originally posted by TheMase
That god isn't the way we preceive it to be.
Perhaps he is a lifeforce yes. But everything around us is supposedly alive! Trees, plants, animals, humans, the Earth itself, are apparently all lifeforces.

So why can't the universe itself be a lifeforce?
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This is very much an Eastern philosophical style of thinking, which probably have the most interesting outlook on life, god and the universe.
 

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If there is an all-knowing god, all of our lives are surely pre-determined.

Why would we bother to be involved in the process? Yet, we still do. What a waste of time.

Maybe we know something god doesn't?

Is it possible we are the only sentient beings which exist, who are able to communicate about these issues? Maybe language is the key? This seems to be a capacity in which gods are singularly lacking. Language seems to be a method we use to discuss gods and their functions in our lives. Isn't it interesting that they choose not to reciprocate? Is religion really just a practical joke being played upon us by an all-knowing higher level of being?

If so, it's rather pathetic.
 
Originally posted by Mr Q
There are no verifiable "facts" one way or another that point to either the existance or non-existance of a God.

Its along the lines of belief that alien life may exist. No proof that it does, none that it doesn't. For you to state that the "facts" prove your case is a fallacy (you're the one dragging scientific fact into this), as you do not have any facts one way or another.
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So If I have never seen a Pink Elephant wtih ten eyes, this is still not proof that no such thing exists.

Clearly this is technically true, but logic would suggest otherwise.

In my view, I am more likely to see the above beast one day rather than God.
 
Originally posted by Jars458
So If I have never seen a Pink Elephant wtih ten eyes, this is still not proof that no such thing exists.

Clearly this is technically true, but logic would suggest otherwise.

In my view, I am more likely to see the above beast one day rather than God.
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But discoveries are made daily, particularly in human biology and genetics. Discoveries are things that have never been seen before like elephants with ten eyes...yet you claim it illogical to accept that that which we have never seen can exist. You therefore must believe it illogical for discoveries to happen.
Now that doesn't make sense to me at all.
 

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