Prediction Dr Sonja Hood AM

[shinboner magic]

Who are the replacements if we sack hood and clarko ?

Easier said than done - especially after our coaching merry go round before clarko

 

[Pike13]

Who are the replacements if we sack hood and clarko ?

Easier said than done - especially after our coaching merry go round before clarko

Beavis & Butthead?

 

[Dinkers]

Well one would like to think that any challenging party will come with a full suite of replacements.

Super exciting times, start to win or **** off.

 

[Shinboner Supremacy]

Who are the replacements if we sack hood and clarko ?

Easier said than done - especially after our coaching merry go round before clarko

Simpson.

 

[WesternRoo]

Simpson.

If we did this, that would be about it for me.

Have a look where he left West Coast.

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

We are alot worse than Sydney of the early 90s.

We won about 5-6 games in 3 years from 92-94 and almost folded in that time. We had probably 4-5 players max who would have got a game at other clubs, shit facilities and the SCC trust treated us like second class citizens and were flat broke, sponsors wanted nothing to do with us.

Yes you guys haven’t had many wins on the board but you are in a good financial state, have great facilities, strong board, great coach, a really good core of players in the 20-25yo range.

 

[Sphynx]

Clarkson is her problem.

Her tenure is also intrinsically linked to him working, he was her crowning glory.

It’s been a disaster and I feel someone more independent of the process would have got rid of him by now.

I like her, but this just rolling year to year in complete failure now with nothing proactive other than deck chairs on the titanic.

We have zero standards and are going backwards.

We were discussing our list with Hawthorn and Adelaide a few years ago who now find themselves in the top 4.

Now we are talking about West Coast and Richmond already moving past us..


Completely ****ing unacceptable.

If its a player or coaching problem, fix it. You are the board of the ****ing football club and are solely charged for its health and long term viability at the end of the day. We’ve never been more irrelevant and a joke.

If those in salaried roles are not performing to get to this outcome we need to move them on. If staff aren’t willing to do it, to get rid of the players, find the staff that will do it…If they don’t think it’s the players and the results on the field are proving it is, get rid of the staff for opinions clearly not rooted in reality.


It is what they are elected for, not to rim the coaches every year about process whilst these coaches are on massive pay packets.

Enough is enough. If she is unable to do it, she has to go.

 

[Sphynx]

If we did this, that would be about it for me.

Have a look where he left West Coast.

Wasn’t a problem for people with Clarkson? People still defend him.

Simpson is a more recent premiership coach than when we recruited Clarkson.

At least we’d not have the suspicion he had checked out.

 

[ferball]

I like her a lot but she’s been here from 2019 to now. The most diabolical era I’ve witnessed, arguably worst in the club’s history. Her intentions are fantastic but the results are what they are.

The magic sword was Clarkson and his team being given the keys to the city. You live and die by it. It is what it is.

If you're gonna have that attitude then remember at the time they signed him for five years because it was expected to take five years to fix things. (That was before the racism scandal and losing JHF and TT as well.) Give them the time we agreed to do what they said they would.

So far he's had two full seasons and the first year where he didn't even coach the whole season.

This is like those stupid campaigners who agree to you saying "We'll do the job but it'll take three to four months and cost this much and you'll have to provide this.."

Then they don't provide the resources, want it finished in half the time and won't pay properly.

 

[Midas]

Not sure about that.

The Sydney side in that Buckenara/early Barassi period was absolutely putrid.

Don’t make me pull the numbers out … it’s shocking reading and they ended up playing in a GF 2 years later.

 

[WesternRoo]

Wasn’t a problem for people with Clarkson? People still defend him.

Simpson is a more recent premiership coach than when we recruited Clarkson.

At least we’d not have the suspicion he had checked out.

Football in 2018 feels like another game now, let alone in the Clarko success era.

My point is, we have already headed down the path of a coach who had success in a bygone era and left his previous club in a mess.

All the things we are criticising Clarko for (and rightfully so), Simpson had the same criticisms at West Coast.

These clubs you mentioned previous are well past us or are about to go past us , have got in hungry young assistants from successful clubs.

You could throw Melbourne in there now too.

Getting Simpson at best is a sideways move. One we can ill afford.

 

[Passmore]

Well one would like to think that any challenging party will come with a full suite of replacements.

Super exciting times, start to win or **** off.

You'd like to think so.

 

[My Left Foote]

You'd like to think so.

Just as long as it's not Focus On Footy 2.0

 

[Mixed Results]

If you're gonna have that attitude then remember at the time they signed him for five years because it was expected to take five years to fix things. (That was before the racism scandal and losing JHF and TT as well.) Give them the time we agreed to do what they said they would.

So far he's had two full seasons and the first year where he didn't even coach the whole season.

This is like those stupid campaigners who agree to you saying "We'll do the job but it'll take three to four months and cost this much and you'll have to provide this.."

Then they don't provide the resources, want it finished in half the time and won't pay properly.

I don't think anybody expected it would take five years to win more than 5-6 games.

5 years for finals? Sure, but if there's not noticeable improvement early this year then we can throw that idea out the window.

 

[ferball]

I don't think anybody expected it would take five years to win more than 5-6 games.

5 years for finals? Sure, but if there's not noticeable improvement early this year then we can throw that idea out the window.

Bolded hasn't happened tho has it? That's catastrophising.

It took 2 seasons to do that.

 

[Mixed Results]

Bolded hasn't happened tho has it? That's catastrophising.

It took 2 seasons to do that.

Nobody here wants Clarkson or Hood sacked if we win 10 games this year.

This entire discussion is based on the hypothetical that this year goes poorly, which if it does then it will be season five, at best, where we scrape ourselves off the bottom of the ladder. That's not acceptable, year five should have been the latest that we reached finals.

And yes, there is also a hypothetical where we win five games this year, and then 13 the following year after we bring back the exact same staff, but that's incredibly unlikely. What's way more likely is that we win four games this year which leads to significant off the field change, which is why a lot of people are happy to have this conversation preemptively.

 

[perplexed]

If you're gonna have that attitude then remember at the time they signed him for five years because it was expected to take five years to fix things. (That was before the racism scandal and losing JHF and TT as well.) Give them the time we agreed to do what they said they would.

So far he's had two full seasons and the first year where he didn't even coach the whole season.

This is like those stupid campaigners who agree to you saying "We'll do the job but it'll take three to four months and cost this much and you'll have to provide this.."

Then they don't provide the resources, want it finished in half the time and won't pay properly.

That's okay if Clarko was showing he had a clear understanding of the where we were going wrong and was offering solutions. But so far, he has been all over the place, and he doesn't appear to have a way out of this mess. He has been given everything he has asked for and produced SFA. Recently all we've had from him is face saving operations and excuses rather than attempts to address the underlying issues. He seems more concerned about his reputation and legacy than actually doing his job. We've been a shambles on the field for years, but not once have I heard Clarko, or Viney, or Rawlings, take responsibility for a bad decision, it is never them. We've all worked with these types; I'd give him until round 6 to show that he knows what he is doing. 4-2 or FO.

 

[ferball]

Nobody here wants Clarkson or Hood sacked if we win 10 games this year.

This entire discussion is based on the hypothetical that this year goes poorly, which if it does then it will be season five, at best, where we scrape ourselves off the bottom of the ladder. That's not acceptable, year five should have been the latest that we reached finals.

And yes, there is also a hypothetical where we win five games this year, and then 13 the following year after we bring back the exact same staff, but that's incredibly unlikely. What's way more likely is that we win four games this year which leads to significant off the field change, which is why a lot of people are happy to have this conversation preemptively.

On what basis is us winning four games this year more likely than us winning five?

 

[Sphynx]

On what basis is us winning four games this year more likely than us winning five?

If you're gonna have that attitude then remember at the time they signed him for five years because it was expected to take five years to fix things. (That was before the racism scandal and losing JHF and TT as well.) Give them the time we agreed to do what they said they would.

So far he's had two full seasons and the first year where he didn't even coach the whole season.

This is like those stupid campaigners who agree to you saying "We'll do the job but it'll take three to four months and cost this much and you'll have to provide this.."

Then they don't provide the resources, want it finished in half the time and won't pay properly.

On what basis do you not think this will occur?

Have you been in a coma for the last 4 years? Did you watch last week?

The deal wasn’t “Al, we will make you the highest paid coach in Norths history, all we ask is a 15% percentage boost and 2 wins more per season by your 4th/5th year”

The deal wasn’t 5 years to not be completely ****ing hopeless and a basket case. The deal was 5 years and we should be looking at GF contention.

Go back to this thread, people would have expected DEEP finals by this stage, with the draft picks at his disposal, many would have wanted flag contention by next year.

I count last years hand in this, a list management decision, pushed by Clarkson for more experience, that saw his football department light a top pick on fire.

We are far more likely to win the spoon this year than be close to finals.

Face the facts, this is 99% likely to be reflected on as Pagan/Carlton in 5 years than any sort of charge up the ladder.

Or are we going to hear the same old shit by the th club and Clarkson, about process if we are sitting 15th and 80%, gaslighting the supporter base as some sort of major improvement?

I wonder what sort of incentive they have to prolongate this out…

 

[Mixed Results]

On what basis is us winning four games this year more likely than us winning five?

I've could have worded it better, but you get the point.

If he wins four or five games, then he won't get the opportunity to reach finals next year.

 

[Spud11]

If you're gonna have that attitude then remember at the time they signed him for five years because it was expected to take five years to fix things. (That was before the racism scandal and losing JHF and TT as well.) Give them the time we agreed to do what they said they would.

So far he's had two full seasons and the first year where he didn't even coach the whole season.

This is like those stupid campaigners who agree to you saying "We'll do the job but it'll take three to four months and cost this much and you'll have to provide this.."

Then they don't provide the resources, want it finished in half the time and won't pay properly.

We’ve given Clarko the tools, an advance payment and we’re heading into our fourth year. And he’s standing there over the ditch rubbing his neck saying “umm.. I know where we’re at as a set of toilet pipes. But we’ll roll our sleeves up like I did 20 years ago”.

Credit to him though. His whole workforce has stuck by his side in the name of “stability”. Yes, they lean on shovels and no, they haven’t seen an actual plan for the work they might start doing one day. But they’re there. We should be thankful.

 

[Zondor]

The bottom line is this. The first 6 rounds will be telling. For Clarko, for Sonja, for the whole Football Club. :stern look

 

[Its a Process]

We've turned over 28 players in four years, none of which have been deemed good enough to still be on a list elsewhere (unless Flynn gets a SSP at Hawks). The list was in a much diabolical shape then we probably acknowledged when Clarko joined us.

Anyways, basically this a debate around who believes we will win 8+ games and those who don't. The minus 8 camp are up and about after a sub-standard practice match against a hot Demons outfit whilst the plus 8 camps are probably a little nervier with their prediction then they were 9 days ago.

I think one thing we can all agree on is lets hope the 8 win camp are correct, otherwise it's going to be a long year.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

My guess is that she wants the men's program to be better before she leaves so she doesn't feel like she's leaving the place worse than she found it.

Which has some nobility, to be fair.

It was reported at the time that it was other board members pushing for the change.
The narrative with the fans seems to be that it was her pushing for the change, whether or not thats just to suit their argument.

So which was it?

 

[Horace]

There should be some balance in this conversation about our President. She is also the President of that magnificent, back to back, reigning AFLW Premiership team, the North Melbourne Football Club.

Yesterday I had to drive to Tullamarine Airport to pick up Ms Horace, over from Adelaide for a couple of days, and the journey is the same trip for much of the way to Princes Park, bringing back the glorious memories of the last two years on the 30th and 29th of November respectively.

How good were those two days?

Can't wait for the girls to get back in action again this year. Go North.