Draft Summary!

[Drummond]

Just got home from the cricket and I wanted to say that I'm pretty disappointed by the draft results. First of all, another Victorian with our first pick, haven’t we learnt our lesson? Pheiffer I am very pleased with, but then that all we did good in my book.

Bernie Vince? You have got to be joking. He played one good final and that justifies pick 32? I am positive he would have stayed for pick 48 or possibly even 62. What a poor pick. Obst may be alright, but we didn’t even pick Rischbieth? Or what about Sam Elliot, he was available. I rate him very highly.

In my book, another poor draft performance once again.

 

[bigman]

Just got home from the cricket and I wanted to say that I'm pretty disappointed by the draft results. First of all, another Victorian with our first pick, haven’t we learnt our lesson? Pheiffer I am very pleased with, but then that all we did good in my book.

Bernie Vince? You have got to be joking. He played one good final and that justifies pick 32? I am positive he would have stayed for pick 48 or possibly even 62. What a poor pick. Obst may be alright, but we didn’t even pick Rischbieth? Or what about Sam Elliot, he was available. I rate him very highly.

In my book, another poor draft performance once again.

This is one of our best Drummond. You need to have a Black "Douglas" - and then you will see you have been too quick to criticize. Two quality 10 year players here at least!!!!

When has this happened in the last few years?

 

[Drummond]

This is one of our best Drummond. You need to have a Black "Douglas" - and then you will see you have been too quick to criticize. Two quality 10 year players here at least!!!!

When has this happened in the last few years?

Douglas will be a 10 year player, 2-4 at the Crows, the rest with a Victorian club

 

[bigman]

Douglas will be a 10 year player, 2-4 at the Crows, the rest with a Victorian club

Please have a little more faith than this.

He does not come from Melbourne - which is a good start.

He is a country lad and went to Assumption.

Much less likely to leave.

 

[Drummond]

Please have a little more faith than this.

He does not come from Melbourne - which is a good start.

He is a country lad and went to Assumption.

Much less likely to leave.

Fine I will stop stressing about that pick.

But Bernie Vince at 32?

RIDICULOUS!

 

[Bockchoy67]

Douglas will be a 10 year player, 2-4 at the Crows, the rest with a Victorian club

Fanta and co obviously believed Douglas was the best avaliable - IMO he was.

Why then should the fact that he's Victorian stop us from picking him?

When the player's avaliable you take him, regardless of origin. We can't restrict ourselves, especially when we don't have great picks (like today).

Vince was the big smoky and the biggest risk, but Fanta would know what he's doing. If anything he could turn out to be a very good player. Wouldn't be suprised if he turns out to be a player, and wouldn't be suprised to see him play a few games this year.

 

[bigman]

Fine I will stop stressing about that pick.

But Bernie Vince at 32?

RIDICULOUS!

I think he can play. I agree though 32 might have been a bit high.

Suggestion is that ST Kilda wanted him at 33.

He does have some very good qualities however - see other threads!!!

He may be one of the steals of the draft!! I might also have a lot of egg on my face. But thats footie!!!!!!

 

[bigman]

Fanta and co obviously believed Douglas was the best avaliable - IMO he was.

Why then should the fact that he's Victorian stop us from picking him?

When the player's avaliable you take him, regardless of origin. We can't restrict ourselves, especially when we don't have great picks (like today).

Vince was the big smoky and the biggest risk, but Fanta would know what he's doing. If anything he could turn out to be a very good player. Wouldn't be suprised if he turns out to be a player, and wouldn't be suprised to see him play a few games this year.

Right on Bockchoy - good post!!!!!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

In my book, another poor draft performance once again.

Could we have expected you to say anything different, regardless of who we drafted.

 

[Drummond]

Vince was the big smoky and the biggest risk, but Fanta would know what he's doing. If anything he could turn out to be a very good player. Wouldn't be suprised if he turns out to be a player, and wouldn't be suprised to see him play a few games this year.

No I genuinely don’t believe 'Fanta' knows what he’s doing. Has he made choices in the past that would install us with confidence? I believe not.

Trust me, I’ve seen a fait bit of Vince this year, and he is a handy player. He averaged maybe about 10-15 possessions per game, which is quite ordinary, and quite pathetic for someone taken at pick 32. I doubt he will ever amount to anything in the AFL.

 

[Drummond]

Could we have expected you to say anything different, regardless of who we drafted.

Did you even bother to read my initial post? I said I would have been delighted with Rischbieth or Sam Elliot.

 

[GoSarge]

Just got home from the cricket and I wanted to say that I'm pretty disappointed by the draft results. First of all, another Victorian with our first pick, haven’t we learnt our lesson? Pheiffer I am very pleased with, but then that all we did good in my book.

Bernie Vince? You have got to be joking. He played one good final and that justifies pick 32? I am positive he would have stayed for pick 48 or possibly even 62. What a poor pick. Obst may be alright, but we didn’t even pick Rischbieth? Or what about Sam Elliot, he was available. I rate him very highly.

In my book, another poor draft performance once again.

Let me ask you a few questions.

1) - If we took Pfeiffer first followed by Douglas, would you have been happier that we took a SA lad with our first pick ?

2) - What do you think justifies being picked at 32 ? A couple of good games at TAC level ? A few good games at the Champs ? A good draft camp result ? Please tell us who you would have picked at number 32, given the names available.

3) Please tell us why Rischbeith should have been picked up with pick 32. Rischbeith may have a huge engine, but that is not the be all and end all of a footballer. Remember he was overlooked, along with Elliot, by 16 football clubs. They can't all be wrong.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Just got home from the cricket and I wanted to say that I'm pretty disappointed by the draft results.

of course you are.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Did you even bother to read my initial post? I said I would have been delighted with Rischbieth or Sam Elliot.

whom NONE of the 16 clubs wanted to touch with ANY of their picks.

 

[Drummond]

Let me ask you a few questions.

1) - If we took Pfeiffer first followed by Douglas, would you have been happier that we took a SA lad with our first pick ?

2) - What do you think justifies being picked at 32 ? A couple of good games at TAC level ? A few good games at the Champs ? A good draft camp result ? Please tell us who you would have picked at number 32, given the names available.

3) Please tell us why Rischbeith should have been picked up with pick 32. Rischbeith may have a huge engine, but that is not the be all and end all of a footballer. Remember he was overlooked, along with Elliot, by 16 football clubs. They can't all be wrong.

1. You can’t be serious? Even if he went at pick 17 I still would have been frustrated. I do not doubt that he will be a good player, just whether he’ll be here when he reaches his potential.

2. A player with plenty of potential, someone who could be a 150 game player with the Crows is someone who would justify selection 32. Bernie Vince is simply someone who could be a handy player, he will be nothing more. 50 games is the maximum I would expect out of Vince.

3. I will gladly tell you why Rischbeith should have been picked up with pick 32. He is listed at 190cm, and isn’t a KPP what the crows are desperately lacking? He has the athletic ability, and all he needs to do is build up his body and he gain more experience with Sturt. He would have been a much, much better option that Vince.

 

[Drummond]

whom NONE of the 16 clubs wanted to touch with ANY of their picks.

Ever heard of James Hird?

Draft History: 1990 National AFL Draft 6th round selection (Essendon) No.79 overall. Every single club passed on him, what a dud he must be

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Did you even bother to read my initial post? I said I would have been delighted with Rischbieth or Sam Elliot.

Yes, I read your inititial post & you are negative as usual. We could have drafted the 4 suposed best kids in the draft & you would still find something wrong.

 

[Drummond]

Yes, I read your inititial post & you are negative as usual. We could have drafted the 4 suposed best kids in the draft & you would still find something wrong.

You are wrong. Even taking people like Rischbeith and Elliot would have made me satisfied. I am well aware we couldn't take the best talent on offer in the draft, but we could have taken the best talent that was available when we had our picks.

 

[GoSarge]

1. You can’t be serious? Even if he went at pick 17 I still would have been frustrated. I do not doubt that he will be a good player, just whether he’ll be here when he reaches his potential.

2. A player with plenty of potential, someone who could be a 150 game player with the Crows is someone who would justify selection 32. Bernie Vince is simply someone who could be a handy player, he will be nothing more. 50 games is the maximum I would expect out of Vince.

3. I will gladly tell you why Rischbeith should have been picked up with pick 32. He is listed at 190cm, and isn’t a KPP what the crows are desperately lacking? He has the athletic ability, and all he needs to do is build up his body and he gain more experience with Sturt. He would have been a much, much better option that Vince.

1) - Firstly, I was just taking the ******** with the first comment. Secondly, please tell us WHO and WHY you would have taken with our first two picks.

2) - Personally I think that for someone to really stand up at SANFL level against MEN in tough finals is real impressive. At 19 years old and has a relatively physically mature body, there is no reason why he cant be a 150 game player. Considering he was playing country football at the start of the year, perhaps he has major improvement STILL to come ?

3) - So if we made a bad mistake at 32 by not picking him, are you saying that the other clubs have made BIGGER mistakes by not picking him up with subsequent picks ? Quite odd, that EVERY club overlooked him, yet we made a massive mistake by not picking him up at #32 ?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You are wrong. Even taking people like Rischbeith and Elliot would have made me satisfied. I am well aware we couldn't take the best talent on offer in the draft, but we could have taken the best talent that was available when we had our picks.

I find it hard to believe that you can ever be satisfied...

 

[Fudd]

No I genuinely don’t believe 'Fanta' knows what he’s doing. Has he made choices in the past that would install us with confidence? I believe not.

Trust me, I’ve seen a fait bit of Vince this year, and he is a handy player. He averaged maybe about 10-15 possessions per game, which is quite ordinary, and quite pathetic for someone taken at pick 32. I doubt he will ever amount to anything in the AFL.

Well most people seem to be pretty happy with Fantasia's pickups last year, and unearthing Ben Hudson and Stiffy with late picks shows he can spot the talent. See thats why he is an AFL Recruiter and you arent. And by the way Richbeith wouldnt be a key position, and seeings as he was hardly on the radar before his great results at the draft camp, im not that unhappy we we didnt waste a pick on an athlete rather than going for some footballers instead.

 

[Drummond]

1) - Firstly, I was just taking the ******** with the first comment. Secondly, please tell us WHO and WHY you would have taken with our first two picks.

2) - Personally I think that for someone to really stand up at SANFL level against MEN in tough finals is real impressive. At 19 years old and has a relatively physically mature body, there is no reason why he cant be a 150 game player. Considering he was playing country football at the start of the year, perhaps he has major improvement STILL to come ?

3) - So if we made a bad mistake at 32 by not picking him, are you saying that the other clubs have made BIGGER mistakes by not picking him up with subsequent picks ? Quite odd, that EVERY club overlooked him, yet we made a massive mistake by not picking him up at #32 ?

1. Of course you were. Anyway, you asked what picks I would have made, and why. Well here you go:

16. Cleve Hughes. Unlimited potential, he has the ability to be a great forward. He is South Australian so he would have never felt the urge to return home.

17. Darren Pheiffer. I have seen him play dozens of times, as I go to every Norwood match. He is a very strong, mobile player. He is extremely courageous and I’ve never seen him back away from a contest. He has good, clean skills too.

2. I hope you’re right, but I doubt he will be any good.

3. Enough is enough, I have said it before. Rischbeith or Elliot should have been taken with either pick 32 as they have much more potential than Vince. I don’t really care what decisions other clubs made, the fact is that we made a poor choice.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Ever heard of James Hird?

Draft History: 1990 National AFL Draft 6th round selection (Essendon) No.79 overall. Every single club passed on him, what a dud he must be

Drummond, this just shows your lack of understanding

do you know why James Hird was overlooked by every other club, and why Essendon thought that could afford to leave him late?

answers on the back of a postcard...

 

[Drummond]

Well most people seem to be pretty happy with Fantasia's pickups last year, and unearthing Ben Hudson and Stiffy with late picks shows he can spot the talent. See thats why he is an AFL Recruiter and you arent. And by the way Richbeith wouldnt be a key position, and seeings as he was hardly on the radar before his great results at the draft camp, im not that unhappy we we didnt waste a pick on an athlete rather than going for some footballers instead.

Reilly as the 12th selection in the most powerful draft of all time? I guess that's why Fantasia's the recruiting manager and not me.

 

[Crow-mosone]

I am well aware we couldn't take the best talent on offer in the draft, but we could have taken the best talent that was available when we had our picks.

so now you're an expert recruiter as well?