List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[maverick001]

Watching Gettable and I get the very clear impression that Twomey doesn’t really have a great line of sight to what West Coast are planning

Beyond the obvious of Duursma and CDT being the one, two punch at the top of the draft which has been the widely held belief for weeks he doesn’t offer much else on West Coast. That we’re probably going to bid on Uwland at pick 2 and maybe Dean after that is about the extent of it.

Pretty much the rest of his comments around West Coast are things that aren’t going to happen - no offer from Essendon for pick 2, no deal likely with Carlton for pick 9, Farrow won’t get to our third pick

A lot of talk about the likes of Taylor, Robey, Cumming, Farrow, Grlj, Sharp being looked at by Richmond, Essendon and Melbourne but not a single peep about us even contemplating any of those players - surely our recruiters aren’t that blinkered to not even be talking to that group. Twomey would have us believe otherwise

Then absolute donuts on who we might be looking at with pick 13 - not a single player discussed in that range was linked to West Coast

Clubs with picks just before and after pick 13 were linked to the following:

Hawthorn- Lindsay, Farrow
GWS- Farrow, Marsh, Taylor, Pickett, Nairn, Ludowyke, Grlj
Bulldogs- Lindsay, Dovaston, Taylor
Adelaide- Marsh, Thredgold, Taylor, Barker
Geelong- Lindsay, Taylor

It’s almost as if he forgot we have that pick

But it was what he said about one player in particular that got me thinking - Cameron Nairn (the kid who kicked 7 goals for SA against WA)

Was mentioned as a possibility for Melbourne with one of their two picks with the suggestion that clubs who rate him highly haven’t been talking about him much on the basis they think he might slip through

There’s been next to no discussion on him around these parts, possibly because most rankings have him around the mid 20’s mark. He’s also more of a high half forward type rather than a midfielder so not an immediate need as such

But, his relative obscurity and the fact Twomey doesn’t seem to have any inkling on who our target with pick 13 might be led me to wonder if Massey has been quietly working away on Nairn in the background

Running capacity, leading patterns and versatility are among his strengths so would suit what McQualter is trying to build

On face value he would seem to be a reach at what is likely to be pick 16 or so but in light of Twomey’s comments perhaps he isn’t

This is his Rookie Me Central profile

Cameron Nairn Draft Profile

Central District forward Cameron Nairn is a deadeye in front of goal and plays taller than his standing with clean overhead marking.

central.rookieme.com

Came on here to post basically the same thing. His form guide has us linked to pretty much nobody at 13 (apart from the obvious Sharp if he slides) which says he doesn’t have a line into the club.
Which means he’s relying on other clubs’ intel to establish who he thinks we pick at 2. So I think he’s just taking an educated guess re CDT
But reading the form guide overall, does seem there’s a realistic chance Sharp gets through to 9

 

[Keys]

Came on here to post basically the same thing. His form guide has us linked to pretty much nobody at 13 (apart from the obvious Sharp if he slides) which says he doesn’t have a line into the club.
Which means he’s relying on other clubs’ intel to establish who he thinks we pick at 2. So I think he’s just taking an educated guess re CDT
But reading the form guide overall, does seem there’s a realistic chance Sharp gets through to 9

He has mentioned we’ve put some work into Addinsal - Gold Coast might get squeezed for points and therefore need to decide between Murray and Addinsal as they may only be able to match for one

 

[Shueygod]

He has mentioned we’ve put some work into Addinsal - Gold Coast might get squeezed for points and therefore need to decide between Murray and Addinsal as they may only be able to match for one

Don’t think GC could match Addinsall at all if Uwland and Patterson are 2 & 3.

 

[WCEswift]

Wouldnt be against a sumner-pickett selection for us. replace liam ryan

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[We_The_West]

It was reported on an AFL.com article that WC were in talks with Carlton on moving up to 9 from 13.

Whether we split 2 or move up to 9 I would really like us to take Sam Cumming.

He looks like a classy balanced mid who kicks goals.

If Bo Allan is being groomed to become an inside mid then I believe Cumming would complement our young mids more than Sharp.

 

[quackish]

What if we took Greeves at 13? Should easily be available there. This is assuming all the other good mid products have been snatched up

 

[amazingjoshy]

Watching Gettable and I get the very clear impression that Twomey doesn’t really have a great line of sight to what West Coast are planning

Beyond the obvious of Duursma and CDT being the one, two punch at the top of the draft which has been the widely held belief for weeks he doesn’t offer much else on West Coast. That we’re probably going to bid on Uwland at pick 2 and maybe Dean after that is about the extent of it.

Pretty much the rest of his comments around West Coast are things that aren’t going to happen - no offer from Essendon for pick 2, no deal likely with Carlton for pick 9, Farrow won’t get to our third pick

A lot of talk about the likes of Taylor, Robey, Cumming, Farrow, Grlj, Sharp being looked at by Richmond, Essendon and Melbourne but not a single peep about us even contemplating any of those players - surely our recruiters aren’t that blinkered to not even be talking to that group. Twomey would have us believe otherwise

Then absolute donuts on who we might be looking at with pick 13 - not a single player discussed in that range was linked to West Coast

Clubs with picks just before and after pick 13 were linked to the following:

Hawthorn- Lindsay, Farrow
GWS- Farrow, Marsh, Taylor, Pickett, Nairn, Ludowyke, Grlj
Bulldogs- Lindsay, Dovaston, Taylor
Adelaide- Marsh, Thredgold, Taylor, Barker
Geelong- Lindsay, Taylor

It’s almost as if he forgot we have that pick

But it was what he said about one player in particular that got me thinking - Cameron Nairn (the kid who kicked 7 goals for SA against WA)

Was mentioned as a possibility for Melbourne with one of their two picks with the suggestion that clubs who rate him highly haven’t been talking about him much on the basis they think he might slip through

There’s been next to no discussion on him around these parts, possibly because most rankings have him around the mid 20’s mark. He’s also more of a high half forward type rather than a midfielder so not an immediate need as such

But, his relative obscurity and the fact Twomey doesn’t seem to have any inkling on who our target with pick 13 might be led me to wonder if Massey has been quietly working away on Nairn in the background

Running capacity, leading patterns and versatility are among his strengths so would suit what McQualter is trying to build

On face value he would seem to be a reach at what is likely to be pick 16 or so but in light of Twomey’s comments perhaps he isn’t

This is his Rookie Me Central profile

Cameron Nairn Draft Profile

Central District forward Cameron Nairn is a deadeye in front of goal and plays taller than his standing with clean overhead marking.

central.rookieme.com

The Age mock has Nairn going at Melbournes first pick (11), so not a stretch at all at ours

Our 13 ends up at 16 so Addinsall or even Greaves as mentioned above aren't huge reaches really at that point. (The Age has us taking Pickett fwiw)

Bids on Uwland and Patterson early, and then Addinsall earlier than expeccted (at 16) is probably is what is needed to force GC to let him slip through.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Watching Gettable and I get the very clear impression that Twomey doesn’t really have a great line of sight to what West Coast are planning

Beyond the obvious of Duursma and CDT being the one, two punch at the top of the draft which has been the widely held belief for weeks he doesn’t offer much else on West Coast. That we’re probably going to bid on Uwland at pick 2 and maybe Dean after that is about the extent of it.

Pretty much the rest of his comments around West Coast are things that aren’t going to happen - no offer from Essendon for pick 2, no deal likely with Carlton for pick 9, Farrow won’t get to our third pick

A lot of talk about the likes of Taylor, Robey, Cumming, Farrow, Grlj, Sharp being looked at by Richmond, Essendon and Melbourne but not a single peep about us even contemplating any of those players - surely our recruiters aren’t that blinkered to not even be talking to that group. Twomey would have us believe otherwise

Then absolute donuts on who we might be looking at with pick 13 - not a single player discussed in that range was linked to West Coast

Clubs with picks just before and after pick 13 were linked to the following:

Hawthorn- Lindsay, Farrow
GWS- Farrow, Marsh, Taylor, Pickett, Nairn, Ludowyke, Grlj
Bulldogs- Lindsay, Dovaston, Taylor
Adelaide- Marsh, Thredgold, Taylor, Barker
Geelong- Lindsay, Taylor

It’s almost as if he forgot we have that pick

But it was what he said about one player in particular that got me thinking - Cameron Nairn (the kid who kicked 7 goals for SA against WA)

Was mentioned as a possibility for Melbourne with one of their two picks with the suggestion that clubs who rate him highly haven’t been talking about him much on the basis they think he might slip through

There’s been next to no discussion on him around these parts, possibly because most rankings have him around the mid 20’s mark. He’s also more of a high half forward type rather than a midfielder so not an immediate need as such

But, his relative obscurity and the fact Twomey doesn’t seem to have any inkling on who our target with pick 13 might be led me to wonder if Massey has been quietly working away on Nairn in the background

Running capacity, leading patterns and versatility are among his strengths so would suit what McQualter is trying to build

On face value he would seem to be a reach at what is likely to be pick 16 or so but in light of Twomey’s comments perhaps he isn’t

This is his Rookie Me Central profile

Cameron Nairn Draft Profile

Central District forward Cameron Nairn is a deadeye in front of goal and plays taller than his standing with clean overhead marking.

central.rookieme.com

Don't we have that player already in Hutchinson?

 

[twce13]

The Age mock has Nairn going at Melbournes first pick (11), so not a stretch at all at ours

Our 13 ends up at 16 so Addinsall or even Greaves as mentioned above aren't huge reaches really at that point. (The Age has us taking Pickett fwiw)

Bids on Uwland and Patterson early, and then Addinsall earlier than expeccted (at 16) is probably is what is needed to force GC to let him slip through.

Would be a strange selection by us , given we gave up pick 20 to move up to 13 then to pick a guy who would have been there at our pick anyway.

It’s almost too nuts that it has to be true

 

[Obeanie1]

Jack Williams

Was refering to tall forwards we can look to build the next premiership winning side with.

Jack for some reason isnt favoured by Mini. Decent role player and 2nd ruck ATM but we have prioritised Reid ahead of Jack.

 

[Obeanie1]

Don’t think GC could match Addinsall at all if Uwland and Patterson are 2 & 3.

They can.

Do you think they care if they end up with a 2026 2nd round deficit?

They will likely trade in another F3rd with all the pick trades it will have lined up or just live rrade a 3rd rounder this year to cover it.

 

[eaglevision]

Was refering to tall forwards we can look to build the next premiership winning side with.

Jack for some reason isnt favoured by Mini. Decent role player and 2nd ruck ATM but we have prioritised Reid ahead of Jack.

Jack would be a player I’d have a lot of interest in if I’m Tasmania. Will be 23 when they would acquire him assuming he can’t get opportunities here.

 

[eaglevision]

They can.

Do you think they care 8f they end up with a 2026 2nd round deficit?

Their deficit they can carry is lower next year because they traded out their F1. As it stands they can only carry a maximum 662 point deficit which is enough to match a bid on pick 25 and beyond if all their 2025 points we wiped out.

 

[Obeanie1]

Who do we need most in our team. CDT or Sharp ? We need to pick up Sharp and 2 more hard at it contested midfielders.
We've got enough tall forwards at the moment and a couple of those can be part time ruck men.
We also have enough small forwards as well.

Flynn Macrae and Dev Robertson are two contested midfielders.

So 8s Banfield. And Kobe Evans a more balanced mid.

Starcevich , Yeo and Hough all big bodies who can rotate on ball.

Plus Graham.

Plus Hall and Hewett. Bo Allan. Ginbey?

How many do you want?

 

[paran]

I’m assuming he chose Essendon because of his name being Dyson?

Bet he's a a huge suck for overpriced purple vacuum cleaners too...

 

[Farmer Lister]

Then absolute donuts on who we might be looking at with pick 13 - not a single player discussed in that range was linked to West Coast

Clubs with picks just before and after pick 13 were linked to the following:

Hawthorn- Lindsay, Farrow
GWS- Farrow, Marsh, Taylor, Pickett, Nairn, Ludowyke, Grlj
Bulldogs- Lindsay, Dovaston, Taylor
Adelaide- Marsh, Thredgold, Taylor, Barker
Geelong- Lindsay, Taylor

It’s almost as if he forgot we have that pick

I noticed that reading Cal's latest phantom form guide too. Links us to Duffma, bids on academy and f/s and Sharp, then crickets. He's linking all the players around our pick 13 to other clubs it's like he forgot about us.

Nairn looks pretty good although I would be surprised if we picked another forward if we grab CDT. Maybe that means Sharp or Robey are back on the table?

 

[kokedoodledoo]

Anyone have much knowledge on Addinsall?

I know he had a great 2km time trial, and great standing/running vertical.

 

[Peptide Pig]

We should 100 percent be bidding on the two GC boys and Dean from Carlton.

We tried to trade with GC but they were hell bent on Petracca so as far as I’m concerned let’s wipe out their future draft hand for a few years. They don’t have a first rounder next year so if they go into a large deficit then it’s going to carry over to the 2027 draft as well. Very little chance of revenge from them for quite some time even if they wanted to.

As for the Blues, it’s nothing personal but it’s in our best interests to make those two picks disappear. I’d prefer to use the carrot and offer them an additional pick with the promise of bidding on the GC boys so no bid comes for Dean until 5 at the earliest and it would also be in their best interests to have a friend at the bottom of the ladder for next year as well with Walker on the horizon.

If they don’t like carrots then bring out the stick and bid on him, they will match and those picks with disappear which helps us as well.

They’ll be trying like crazy to get someone to bite with a decent points haul but no one is throwing hundreds of points their way to upgrade.

They just need to believe if they don’t trade with us we will do what’s in our best interests.

Except when Walter requests a trade next year. But they let Jack Martin walk to the PSD so hopefully they are that stubborn again and we get him for free.

Speaking of stubborn, I see the Blues waiting until the very last second, when we are on the clock about to bid on Dean before they accept a pick swap. Up until then they can rightly just try and call our bluff.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Was refering to tall forwards we can look to build the next premiership winning side with.

Jack for some reason isnt favoured by Mini. Decent role player and 2nd ruck ATM but we have prioritised Reid ahead of Jack.

He’s still only turning 22 next month and with Archer perhaps leaning more ruck and Allen gone he may just turn it on this year. He’s particularly smart with leading patterns and could still be something pretty handy I think

 

[WCEConnor23]

Nairn came 4th in the 2km time trial. Definitely can see us being interested in him along with Addinsall.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Probably, but also he's a Dyson, he sucks

That's what I call my Mrs once a year

 

[paran]

Jagga was one of the best extractors of the footy you’ll ever see in juniors, he’s not an outside accumulator. He’s built like a starved praying mantis but still reads the taps, reads the ball, makes good decisions, gets the ball to the outside and then provides a second option.

Would have taken Ashcroft, FOS, Jagga, Draper, Lalor then Langford in that order and all of them apart from Langford ahead of Duursma.

Jagga’s ceiling is going to be limited by his body transformation. If it’s Fyfe or O’Meara he is easily AA quality.

Jagga was a gun prospect, but don't sell Duursma short. He's got size, athleticism and production. He's the quintessential pick 1 prospect.

 

[eaglevision]

Jagga was a gun prospect, but don't sell Duursma short. He's got size, athleticism and production. He's the quintessential pick 1 prospect.

It’s not selling him short just because I don’t view him as highly as a small handful of players from last year. No one thinks Lalor would be sold short to say he wouldn’t have been pick 1, 2 or 3 the year before.

Duursma is a very good player and has very much earned the right to be in the pick 1 discussion this year. Most casual and media observers think he is the best player this year. On your metrics he probably is, but when we review this draft in 10 years I don’t think he will be despite hoping that he is.

 

[BSD]

Flynn Macrae and Dev Robertson are two contested midfielders.

So 8s Banfield. And Kobe Evans a more balanced mid.

Starcevich , Yeo and Hough all big bodies who can rotate on ball.

Plus Graham.

Plus Hall and Hewett. Bo Allan. Ginbey?

How many do you want?

Hall and Allan haven't proven themselves yet. Why did we finish 18th with contested possessions if we had these big bodied midfielders already in our team.

 

[bzparkes]

Davo-27 telling it how it is

What truth?

Twomey had him at number 1 a week before the draft in his form guide and everyone else had either him or JHF, with the latter seen as a generational talent.

Miles apart from Sharp's ranking.

Daicos only ended up going at 4 because North wanted JHF at 1, Bulldogs matches GWS' bid on Darcy at 2 and then GWS took Callaghan before GC's bid on Daicos was matched at 4.

Sharp in this draft is absolutely nothing like Daicos in 2021. That's just some massive personal bias showing.