List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

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R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[Godfather32]

At least with Duursma, he looks like he'll be a very good outside player. We drafted Gaff at 4 and he turned it to be a pretty handy player.

I reckon he'll turn into a very good balanced midfielder in the end, especially once he fills out.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

We are talking about Cumming?

If he regressed this year he must have been amazing in 2024.

Played a very good championships, then seniors and then hurt his shoulder so missed some footy late.

Most phantoms and rankings have him top 10.

Also, let's look at what most draft pundits and ranking gurus say about this year's crop at the top end open pool.

This is rookie me on the midfield types.

Duursma a utility upside as wingman or mid

CDT giant 4th midfielder!!?? with development of ruck craft

Robey utility with mid potential

Sharp beats all comers in contested ball winning, premier inside mid

Grjl half back transitioning into midfielder.

Farrow half back midfielder

Cumming powerfull in contest, fast feet spread midfielder/forward.

Dovaston specialist small forward, craft at ground level with defensive attributes.

Greeves Smillie clone

Poo atheltic mid forward


Now the first 8 picks are 4 clubs with 2 shots at it. Let's assume the draft order doesn't change.

What do Eagles dons and dees all need the most? Mids.
Tigers I think have mids covered and can afford to take 2 best available - I can see dovaston grjl.

Cumming and sharp are not getting past pick 8. Dons with 5 6 and dees 7 8.gonski

So assume we take 1 2 and go duursma CDT (I'll scream) we miss out on both best midfield prospects. If it goes this way we should trade 13 etc out of the draft into next year's, take Banfield, Evans and Williams and hope Banfield Evans can develop quick enough to give us mid options.

 

[WCE_Phill]

I'm praying that Essendon come up with the goods.

2 and 13 for 5 & 6

Think 13 is a wasted pick, put of reach for a slider and not far back enought to land Fred or Curtin

If Essendon don't, just take Sharp at 2 and maybe move 13 into next year

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I'm praying that Essendon come up with the goods.

2 and 13 for 5 & 6

Think 13 is a wasted pick, put of reach for a slider and not far back enought to land Fred or Curtin

If Essendon don't, just take Sharp at 2 and maybe move 13 into next year

Be funny if we get the trade and then CDT still there at 5. Do we then take him with one of those two?

 

[The_Reaper]

Be funny if we get the trade and then CDT still there at 5. Do we then take him with one of those two?

In that case yeah

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Be funny if we get the trade and then CDT still there at 5. Do we then take him with one of those two?

Bombers probably arent trading up to pick 2, unless with our live pick 1 we took sharp. Then pick 2 live still leaves duursma and CDT. Tigers won't budge but the dons might jump at that.

1 wc sharp
2 ess duursma/CDT
3 rich CDT/duursma
4 rich Robey/grjl
5 WC cumming
6 WC Robey/grjl/Schubert/dovaston

Taking sharp at pick 1 could shake up the draft this way and actually provide us with the most flexible draft haul.

2 best mids Sharp cumming

and then
take the speculative could be anything pick robey
Take the best outside runner. Grjl
Take the elite small forward dov
Take the best key position.schub


And...if tigers pass on CDT then it's sharp cumming CDT

 

[Coasters7]

I'd feel a lot better about taking the risk on CDT if Duursma wasn't also a risk, if they both turn out to be duds then it will have completely stuffed the rebuild

Yeah this is the catch 22 of having 1 and 2 in an uncertain draft. Usually you’d only have to pick one of them.

It has potential to stuff the rebuild but pick 2 was also gifted to us so I think just swing for the fences and pick the two with the most upside

 

[Godfather32]

Yeah this is the catch 22 of having 1 and 2 in an uncertain draft. Usually you’d only have to pick one of them.

It has potential to stuff the rebuild but pick 2 was also gifted to us so I think just swing for the fences and pick the two with the most upside

I think that's what we'll do tbh. Kick the midfield can down the road.
Shame, I really like Sharp

 

[amazingjoshy]

Yeah this is the catch 22 of having 1 and 2 in an uncertain draft. Usually you’d only have to pick one of them.

It has potential to stuff the rebuild but pick 2 was also gifted to us so I think just swing for the fences and pick the two with the most upside

Not sure there's that much uncertainty around Duursma.

Hes pretty much universally ranked at 1 by pretty much everyone, even ahead of all the academy prospects from what Ive read

 

[CountryLad]

A 2.95ish 20m is kind of average isn't it? With 2.8-2.9 being classed as fast. Grlj & Cumming seem more like they are good in traffic with a bit of acceleration rather than having breakneck speed.

League form doesn't mean much considering returns over a whole season. Champs was average, and U18s was good but not great. His main POD is overhead marking but that's somewhat redundant playing midfield these days.

Grlj is very outside as a player and not one i'm all that high on as a mid. Probably becomes a back flanker imo.

Have you actually been watching this kid. He’s pretty quick, not in the lighting bracket but certainly no plodder. Think he did sub 3 sec 20m. That’s not in the slow or plodder bracket.

His Champs form was perfectly fine and found plenty of it when in the midfield. Spent a lot of time forward as he was heavily rotated to make room for other kids to play in the midfield that didn’t have the game to push forward. Even Sharp spent some time forward for SA. If Cumming had played midfield minutes like a Rodriguez or Annable his disposal count would have been one of the highest in the Champs.

His point of difference isn’t his over head marking. His point of difference is his toughness, competitiveness and clean hands. These strengths combined with his workrate, power and speed will be what allow him to play plenty of midfield minutes at AFL level.

His ability to take a good overhead grab and hit the scoreboard consistently are simply nice additions to round out his game.

No problem either with posters having different opinions on players but i disagree with yours. Maybe put up who we should take at pick 2 or if we split a pick?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The sprint test is a bit of a misleader. Great. In the first five minutes you’ve got pace. What’s your time when you’re deep in the third quarter and the legs are heavy. Are you still bursting or are you cooked? Give me the diesel tractor do sharp who looks like he’ll be still going at 95% of his best.

 

[txbyhull]

much prefer the agility test, especially for on-ballers, as a measure of future afl ability

 

[bzparkes]

The sprint test is a bit of a misleader. Great. In the first five minutes you’ve got pace. What’s your time when you’re deep in the third quarter and the legs are heavy. Are you still bursting or are you cooked? Give me the diesel tractor do sharp who looks like he’ll be still going at 95% of his best.

You know CDT was one of the best performers in the time trial, right?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

This further enforces my view that the game has changed & that elite ruckman are no longer as effectual on results than they used to be… unless you think Darcy Fort and a retiring Big O are superstars of their craft

Are Darcy Fort and Big O superstars? No. But they did win the ruck battle on the day.

In fact you have to go back to 2015 to find a team that won the GF while carrying a losing ruckman.

The idea that ruck is meaningless in the outcome of GF or premiership success isn’t really true.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

With the upcoming draft I have been trying to understand what Carlton is likely to do with its picks 9 & 11 and realised that they don't really need to do anything as they have plenty of capital next year now for Cody Walker.

As long as Dean isn't bid on with the top 6 picks (Pick 7 Match is 1,390pts and match at 9 with 1,355pts, not enough to drop pick 11 back to 12), they can just match with Pick 9 and then still take a top talent at 11 with enough points to match for Ison in the mid to late 20's. I still kind of hope North does get up for pick 9 off of them as they are more likely to target a key position player.

Melbourne is the only one I could see trying to get up for pick 2 to get in front for Robey, however likely only one of Sharp or Cumming to make it to 7 & 8.

It would give us 4 picks though in the top 13 though however I still think it is highly unlikely they would do that trade this year.

Im targetting a ruck next year, for me

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Apparently he's been there 11 years or so now

Most I can find on him (after a 30 second google search that is): Todd Nisbett joined the club as a junior under former head of football Craig Vozzo a decade ago, has risen up through the ranks and is rated highly by player agents.

As harsh as I was in 2017 was calling for King Nissie I to abdicate, young Toddy has done a decent job in the list team. He has good connections in WA and this was Steve Malaxos saying - coach Scotch 1st 18.

Whilst his initial appointment had a strong smell of nepotism to it (I’ve never been able to a Seek advertisement to be assistant to the GM football), he does well. I’ve seen him at a number of matches with one of the Woodhouse brothers taking notes.I like that he wants to learn.

 

[Obeanie1]

At least with Duursma, he looks like he'll be a very good outside player. We drafted Gaff at 4 and he turned it to be a pretty handy player.

As a min I see Duursma as an Andrew Embley tall winger, good overhead and can kick a goal.

 

[TheBudgies]

As a min I see Duursma as an Andrew Embley tall winger, good overhead and can kick a goal.

Embley is a great comparison and would be a great outcome.

 

[Obeanie1]

Also, let's look at what most draft pundits and ranking gurus say about this year's crop at the top end open pool.

This is rookie me on the midfield types.

Duursma a utility upside as wingman or mid

CDT giant 4th midfielder!!?? with development of ruck craft

Robey utility with mid potential

Sharp beats all comers in contested ball winning, premier inside mid

Grjl half back transitioning into midfielder.

Farrow half back midfielder

Cumming powerfull in contest, fast feet spread midfielder/forward.

Dovaston specialist small forward, craft at ground level with defensive attributes.

Greeves Smillie clone

Poo atheltic mid forward


Now the first 8 picks are 4 clubs with 2 shots at it. Let's assume the draft order doesn't change.

What do Eagles dons and dees all need the most? Mids.
Tigers I think have mids covered and can afford to take 2 best available - I can see dovaston grjl.

Cumming and sharp are not getting past pick 8. Dons with 5 6 and dees 7 8.gonski

So assume we take 1 2 and go duursma CDT (I'll scream) we miss out on both best midfield prospects. If it goes this way we should trade 13 etc out of the draft into next year's, take Banfield, Evans and Williams and hope Banfield Evans can develop quick enough to give us mid options.

Tigers need mids.

Lalor and Hotton are more forward / mids.

Smillie is a 195cm mid yet to debut.

What other young mids have they drafted?

Can see them going Grlj and Robey. Sharp they would be seriously considering IMO.

Issue for the Tigers is they have two good established inside mids in Taranto and Hopper. Plus Prestia and Ross.

An inside extractor isn't a super urgent need this draft. And they have Smillie to develop.

But they don't yet have all the pieces for the next premiership midfield.

Grlj and Robey could be a big part of that.

 

[Barrybran]

Tigers need mids.

Lalor and Hotton are more forward / mids.

Smillie is a 195cm mid yet to debut.

What other young mids have they drafted?

Can see them going Grlj and Robey. Sharp they would be seriously considering IMO.

Issue for the Tigers is they have two good established inside mids in Taranto and Hopper. Plus Prestia and Ross.

An inside extractor isn't a super urgent need this draft. And they have Smillie to develop.

But they don't yet have all the pieces for the next premiership midfield.

Grlj and Robey could be a big part of that.

Grlj and Robey make a lot of sense for Richmond. It's Essendon I'm having difficulty figuring out. They need just about everyone.

 

[dinnaz]

We are talking about Cumming?

If he regressed this year he must have been amazing in 2024.

100% Correct about that. I'm talking top couple, and it's not because people have gone past him.
Most people hold onto last years reputation and start of the year rankings. But decline in performance levels at the top age of jr's is a big red flag.

Played a very good championships, then seniors and then hurt his shoulder so missed some footy late.

I disagree. SA dominated and I would have expected Cumming too as well. It was a purely average champs for supposedly the 3rd or 4th best mid in the country?

Most phantoms and rankings have him top 10.

Let them, Erasmus is a very similar player IMO, in style and quality & he went way too early at 10. This years draft is weak like 2020, but I hope we stay away at #13.

 

[dinnaz]

Have you actually been watching this kid. He’s pretty quick, not in the lighting bracket but certainly no plodder. Think he did sub 3 sec 20m. That’s not in the slow or plodder bracket.

His Champs form was perfectly fine and found plenty of it when in the midfield. Spent a lot of time forward as he was heavily rotated to make room for other kids to play in the midfield that didn’t have the game to push forward. Even Sharp spent some time forward for SA. If Cumming had played midfield minutes like a Rodriguez or Annable his disposal count would have been one of the highest in the Champs.

His point of difference isn’t his over head marking. His point of difference is his toughness, competitiveness and clean hands. These strengths combined with his workrate, power and speed will be what allow him to play plenty of midfield minutes at AFL level.

His ability to take a good overhead grab and hit the scoreboard consistently are simply nice additions to round out his game.

No problem either with posters having different opinions on players but i disagree with yours. Maybe put up who we should take at pick 2 or if we split a pick?

I'd honestly trade 2 for a couple of juicy future/future future 1st rounders. Essendon, Carlton, Melbourne, Richmond, North, Port seem to be in a lull.

13 i'd go for Farrow as there's rumors about interest, but I have a vibe that we jump on Hibbins-Hargreaves here.
If we split into the teens then Aidan Schubert might be there, but I wouldn't expect we sell 2 for two inferior picks this year. I think the top end is super dodgy with a whole heap of question marks. There's not a lot of separation from 10-40 in terms of sure things.

Losing 31 hurt our chances at double dipping in the second round as Banfield I think will be bid on earlier than expected which could suck up 34.

With those picks 34/41 i'd hope for
Cameron Nairn but I think he goes in the late teens.
Jack Dalton would be a perfect fit for the "mini gameplan"
Brodie Atkins as a defensive mid.
Id bid on Lachlan Carmichael.
Id bid on Toby Whan.
Sam Swadling is probably gone a few picks before we jump in.
We probably take Fred Rodriguez.

Id go for Cody Curtin at 41/53 and i'm not that high on having to take our NGA guys. I think we need to manufacture a main list spot to take the 5-6 ND picks.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Bailey Williams 20m sprint was sub 3.0

And has a much better vertical leap than CDT. Can't time his jumps in ruck or marking contests yet though.

 

[juice568]

I'd honestly trade 2 for a couple of juicy future/future future 1st rounders. Essendon, Carlton, Melbourne, Richmond, North, Port seem to be in a lull.

13 i'd go for Farrow as there's rumors about interest, but I have a vibe that we jump on Hibbins-Hargreaves here.
If we split into the teens then Aidan Schubert might be there, but I wouldn't expect we sell 2 for two inferior picks this year. I think the top end is super dodgy with a whole heap of question marks. There's not a lot of separation from 10-40 in terms of sure things.

Losing 31 hurt our chances at double dipping in the second round as Banfield I think will be bid on earlier than expected which could suck up 34.

With those picks 34/41 i'd hope for
Cameron Nairn but I think he goes in the late teens.
Jack Dalton would be a perfect fit for the "mini gameplan"
Brodie Atkins as a defensive mid.
Id bid on Lachlan Carmichael.
Id bid on Toby Whan.
Sam Swadling is probably gone a few picks before we jump in.
We probably take Fred Rodriguez.

Id go for Cody Curtin at 41/53 and i'm not that high on having to take our NGA guys. I think we need to manufacture a main list spot to take the 5-6 ND picks.

How many list spots do we have? If say we take rodriguez with pick 34 do we have list spots for williams and banfield if they get bid on later in the draft? Does anybody know about this?

 

[stallon]

How many list spots do we have? If say we take rodriguez with pick 34 do we have list spots for williams and banfield if they get bid on later in the draft? Does anybody know about this?

If we trade pick 2 for future picks like he said then we would have an extra list spot for Rodriguez