List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[juice568]

If we trade pick 2 for future picks like he said then we would have an extra list spot for Rodriguez

What if we keep 1,2,13. If we are then picking at 34 and williams and banfield still havent been bid on, what do we do then? Do we have the list spots or is it a choice of picking someone at 34 and missing one of those two?

 

[Underdog]

Are we concerned that Cody Curtin may be another Mason Shaw? Someone who piles on the goals at Colts level due to a huge height and size advantage but doesn't have the attributes to convert that to senior level?

It's a shame that he didn't get a taste at Reserve or League level (acknowledging that both those sides were strong)

 

[mezaire]

This is the only way I see Essendon trading up with us.....

I'm 90% sure they really want Duursma to pair the brothers up. All their mids seem to be small coal face types, and they would love an eventual outside/into replace Merrett.

So, unless we promise not to take Duursma with pick 1, they will want pick 1!!

So, let's say we trade 1 for 5, 6, and then let them have Duursma.......
We can only pick CDT at 2 if we know at least 1 of Sharp, Cumming or Robey are still there at 5.

If we do give them 1, then I'd like to take Sharp at 2 and then see what Richmond does.
They might take Robey and CDT, then we take Cumming and Barker
If they take Robey and Cumming, we take CDT and Barker.

 

[Obeanie1]

Grlj and Robey make a lot of sense for Richmond. It's Essendon I'm having difficulty figuring out. They need just about everyone.

Essendon's dream is Duursma and CDT.

What they get is up to how much they are willing to pay for pick 1 or 2.

Or both.

 

[stallon]

What if we keep 1,2,13. If we are then picking at 34 and williams and banfield still havent been bid on, what do we do then? Do we have the list spots or is it a choice of picking someone at 34 and missing one of those two?

5 list spots rigght now.
We have 3 early picks

I think we need to keep 2 spots for Williams and Banfield(assuming the club wants them both), potentially a 3rd for Evans but thats where we can play with guys like Barnett/Cripps potentially going to the rookie list.

I dont think we will use pick 34, or itll go towards matching a bid on Williams/Banfield

 

[Happy Mastenator]

You know CDT was one of the best performers in the time trial, right?

Indeed. I’m not talking about cdt specifically I’m talking about the sprint test in general. That is a tick for cdt. Now if he could only ruck.

 

[stallon]

This is the only way I see Essendon trading up with us.....

I'm 90% sure they really want Duursma to pair the brothers up. All their mids seem to be small coal face types, and they would love an eventual outside/into replace Merrett.

So, unless we promise not to take Duursma with pick 1, they will want pick 1!!

So, let's say we trade 1 for 5, 6, and then let them have Duursma.......
We can only pick CDT at 2 if we know at least 1 of Sharp, Cumming or Robey are still there at 5.

If we do give them 1, then I'd like to take Sharp at 2 and then see what Richmond does.
They might take Robey and CDT, then we take Cumming and Barker
If they take Robey and Cumming, we take CDT and Barker.

I wouldnt trade pick 1 for 5+6, id prefer pick 1 tbh

Also Barker at 6??
Huh?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Every year: We lack elite talent!

Every year: We get top 3 picks, this year, two of the bastards!

Every year: How can we trade out of the top 3 to get multiple lesser picks?

Every year: Why the **** did we trade down and miss out on the top end talent!? The only elite young talent in the midfield is Harley, taken with Pick 1! Are we stupid!?

(Yes)

 

[Underdog]

I'll preface this with saying that I have never seen CDT play.

I don't believe in 200cm midfielders regardless of how athletic they are. Guys like Naitanui and Jackson were role players as midfielder, but not prime movers. So if CDT is not a great ruckman, where does he go? He could go forward but there are reports that his marking is not a strength. He could play half back and/or as a KFD (I'm not sure if he's played there much). Or he becomes a utility like Justin Westhoff

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Justin Westhoff

Age

39

Ht

199cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.9

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.9

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

8.4

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.8

3star

.

From what I've read, he sounds like a real tweener - I have concerns.

 

[dinnaz]

Are we concerned that Cody Curtin may be another Mason Shaw? Someone who piles on the goals at Colts level due to a huge height and size advantage but doesn't have the attributes to convert that to senior level?

It's a shame that he didn't get a taste at Reserve or League level (acknowledging that both those sides were strong)

He's a real plodder, but has some versatility IMO. Worth a shot as he seems to have the fitness to play ruck and nous to play fwd/back.

 

[Barrybran]

Essendon's dream is Duursma and CDT.

What they get is up to how much they are willing to pay for pick 1 or 2.

Or both.

The problem from Essendon's perspective is that getting 1 AND 2 is going to cost them their F1 (which is great for us!). Would they do that though? They could give us 5 + 21 for 2. They could give Richmond 6 + 27 for 3. They could offer 21 + F2 to Carlton for 9 and keep their F1.

The one conclusion I have reached is that they won't give up 5 AND 6 for either 1 or 2. Two top 6 picks is a great hand.

 

[Barrybran]

I'll preface this with saying that I have never seen CDT play.

I don't believe in 200cm midfielders regardless of how athletic they are. Guys like Naitanui and Jackson were role players as midfielder, but not prime movers. So if CDT is not a great ruckman, where does he go? He could go forward but there are reports that his marking is not a strength. He could play half back and/or as a KFD (I'm not sure if he's played there much). Or he becomes a utility like Justin Westhoff.

From what I've read, he sounds like a real tweener - I have concerns.

It's worth watching some footage. He'll be a solid player and a matchup nightmare. The problem is where will he best be used, which in turn leads into what would you be prepared to pay for him.

 

[Hook461123]

I wonder if Essendon are into Robey and want to get ahead of Tigers. If it’s CDT they’re into I reckon they just call our bluff and hope he slides. Considering Tigers are unlikely to draft him due to who they took last year and he would be a risky pick for us, they might still get him at 5. Less chance Robey gets past Tigers IMO.

If we trade 2&13 for 5&6

1. Duurs WC
2. Robey Ess
3. Grlj Ric
4. Taylor Ric
5. CDT WC
6. Sharp WC

Would be happy to take CDT with Duurs and Sharp but not if we don’t get Sharp as well.

 

[WCE777]

Im targetting a ruck next year, for me

There are 3 quality rucks already showing a fair bit so 1 of them should be available 2nd round.
Would love Walsh in the Tassie draft but he would cost at least a 1st & 2nd round pick or more.
Not spending that unless he is NN.

 

[stallon]

The problem from Essendon's perspective is that getting 1 AND 2 is going to cost them their F1 (which is great for us!). Would they do that though? They could give us 5 + 21 for 2. They could give Richmond 6 + 27 for 3. They could offer 21 + F2 to Carlton for 9 and keep their F1.

The one conclusion I have reached is that they won't give up 5 AND 6 for either 1 or 2. Two top 6 picks is a great hand.

All of those seem like unders, Essendon would have to pay more than that surely

 

[Barrybran]

All of those seem like unders, Essendon would have to pay more than that surely

Why? I get we as fans want more but that's not reality.

 

[dinnaz]

I'll preface this with saying that I have never seen CDT play.

I don't believe in 200cm midfielders regardless of how athletic they are. Guys like Naitanui and Jackson were role players as midfielder, but not prime movers. So if CDT is not a great ruckman, where does he go? He could go forward but there are reports that his marking is not a strength. He could play half back and/or as a KFD (I'm not sure if he's played there much). Or he becomes a utility like Justin Westhoff.

From what I've read, he sounds like a real tweener - I have concerns.

CHF is what I think he ends up as. Knows how to get his hands on the footy in general play. Almost like Nick Reiwoldt without the contested marking ability.

It's worth watching some footage. He'll be a solid player and a matchup nightmare. The problem is where will he best be used, which in turn leads into what would you be prepared to pay for him.

Matchup nightmare Jack Lukosious comes to mind. Far better skills but has never really dominated in the AFL. Only looked great when entirely loose on a wing or as 3rd tall back flanker.

 

[stallon]

Why? I get we as fans want more but that's not reality.

Well for example, 2 for 5+21, giving up what is the second best prospect in the draft(CDT) for 5 and a pick we dont have the list spots to use.

21+f2 for 9, Carlton would get better offers than that for sure

If we assume 2+13 for 5+6 is slight unders for us(which seems to be the general consensus, that we would accept just to get specific players), then 2 for 5+21 just isnt good enough.

 

[Barrybran]

Well for example, 2 for 5+21, giving up what is the second best prospect in the draft(CDT) for 5 and a pick we dont have the list spots to use.

21+f2 for 9, Carlton would get better offers than that for sure

If we assume 2+13 for 5+6 is slight unders for us(which seems to be the general consensus, that we would accept just to get specific players), then 2 for 5+21 just isnt good enough.

If we thought the player we wanted would be available at 5, we would accept 5 + 21.

I agree Carlton will get better offers but Essendon will be one of the teams they can work with.

I would swap 2 + 13 for 5 + 6 but if I'm Essendon, I wouldn't be interested in dropping to the bottom of the next tier of players for a three-pick upgrade for Duursma or Duff-Tytler. Harley Reid, sure, but not those guys.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I just had a look at Tom De Koning

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Tom De Koning

Age

26

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

’s stats in the Coates talent league vs CDT’s
CDT takes the chocolates by a fair margin, in disposals, marks, hit outs.
I don’t buy this crap the CDT isn’t a ruckman, he is developing very nicely and if he end’s anywhere near as good as Tom De Koning

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Tom De Koning

Age

26

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

, WC would be mad not to take him, in what is a position of dire need for our team, start him up forward and transition to ruck over time.

 

[SAweagle]

Strong, agressive transition players with power and speed is what mini seems to be favouring, that really covers all bases for a lot of game plans imo, but most importantly its how the modern game is trending for all the good sides.

Imo the game will reach a point eventually where a "best game plan" is found, and clubs will just look to optimise that as much as possible.
This might be it

Well and good until the AFL and its ex victorian club apparatchiks decide on a swathe of rule changes that render whatever current gameplan advantage is being enjoyed obsolete.

666 and STAND changed the game immensely. Neutering of the game by punishing physicality due to concussion risk is already in full effect. The AFL works day and night to stage manage the state of the game and the teams therin.

The " best " gameplan is heavily player dependent as well, take Dusty out of Richmond and they maybe sneak 1 flag. Take Hodge & Buddy out of the Hawks and there's no chance they threepeat.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I just had a look at Tom De Koning’s stats in the Coates talent league vs CDT’s
CDT takes the chocolates by a fair margin, in disposals, marks, hit outs.
I don’t buy this crap the CDT isn’t a ruckman, he is developing very nicely and if he end’s anywhere near as good as Tom De Koning, WC would be mad not to take him, in what is a position of dire need for our team, start him up forward and transition to ruck over time.
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Inevitably there will come a time where posters can no longer deny the talent this kid has. He's going to surprise a lot of people

 

[stallon]

Well and good until the AFL and its ex victorian club apparatchiks decide on a swathe of rule changes that render whatever current gameplan advantage is being enjoyed obsolete.

They like the fast paced game with a lot of transition, its more enjoyable to watch for the majority of fans. Cant see that changing any time soon.

666 and STAND changed the game immensely. Neutering of the game by punishing physicality due to concussion risk is already in full effect. The AFL works day and night to stage manage the state of the game and the teams therin.

The " best " gameplan is heavily player dependent as well, take Dusty out of Richmond and they maybe sneak 1 flag. Take Hodge & Buddy out of the Hawks and there's no chance they threepeat.

The Richmond side in particular imo wasnt that strong, they just had the right pieces to pull off a gameplan that was hard to beat at the time.

 

[cookiesncream]

Grlj and Robey make a lot of sense for Richmond. It's Essendon I'm having difficulty figuring out. They need just about everyone.

Essendon lost Draper and Goldstein, Bryan is coming back from an ACL and Visentini is a 20 year old 2023 rookie selection who has played 2 games. I think they will be keen on CDT. They also have left Setterfield, Hobbs, and Lual uncontracted so they are probably targeting an inside mid as well.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Essendon's dream is Duursma and CDT.

And we have access to that dream for ourselves. Grab a Sharp'a'like or two next year and go for maximum ceiling this year. We don't need to draft more mids. We have have Dev!