Draft time is coming quickly, who do we get?

[-VC-]

Probably not a year where you SANFL watchers can really get into it because it's a pretty weak crop coming through SA. There's a couple of overaged SANFL players that might go, such as Havelberg (I've not seen him, just using him as an example).

But at U/18 level the cupboard is bare for SA. Someone mentioned Ebert sliding because an SA player always does - well, Ebert is the only early selection for SA in this draft so if he doesn't slide then look elsewhere. Levi Greenwood will go next, which will probably be late second round, early third so we could get our hands on him if it's local talent we're specifically looking for.

This is certainly going to be a Vic and WA draft. To be honest, there'll probably be as many Queenslanders as SA U/18 players drafted, which is about three or four. It just depends if there's a few mature aged players that get a go.

Considering we can take Taylor Walker with our last pick I reckon our strategy should be to take an elite midfielder with our first pick. We took Sellar and Tippett last year there wouldn't be much point looking for a similar sort so early (this year it would be Lachlan Henderson). Cotchin will certainly be gone and personally I think Morton will be too so we'll be hoping for one of Palmer, Masten or Ebert to slide to our pick. If we end up in the finals I doubt we'll get any of them with Pick #10 (keep in mind, the likelihood of Carlton getting a first round PP).

Realistically I would love to see us get Patrick Veszpremi. He's the sort of player you pay money to go and see. Flamboyant midfielder/flanker who runs the lines, is full of confidence and has a penetrating kick. He's good in traffic as far as dodging and weaving goes, but he also has a strong body so he can break tackles. His disposal is often criticised, but I don't see why. His stats on the TAC Cup site suggest that he has a good ratio of effective to ineffective disposal. The thing that his kicking will do is hurt opposition because he's very damaging.

A lot of players are dubbed 10-20 players in this draft so some might rate him around 18-20, but personally I rate him more as 10-15. If we finish a little bit lower then I'd probably have a dip at Rioli if he's available, but being the eternal optimist I'll pin us for Pick 10 and Rioli would probably be gone by then.

 

[-VC-]

With our second pick I would look for a small crumbing forward, I would look at Adam Maric (no relation to Ivan) or Cyril Rioli (unlikely to be around at this stage of the draft) or even Drummond boy from Norwood Austin Wonaemirri. We need to add some pace to the forward line and I would use this pick on that type of player.

There is no way that Rioli will be around in the second round. We mightn't even get our hands on him in the first. Maric is a very marginal chance of being around for our second round pick, but I highly doubt it. I also don't think he would be worth our first round pick as I roughly have him pinned for 15-20 range.

Wonaemirri is nowhere near the second round. Nor the third round. He is probably draftable so fourth round is the earliest you'd look at taking him. Here is what I wrote about him on the Draft board yesterday:

I've got a TAC Record from earlier in the year when NT were playing and he's listed as 177cm and 82kg in that. The other week when I was in Adelaide I saw him play against North Adelaide. He looks to be carrying a bit of weight that he'd need to shed.

One thing I noticed with him when he was playing for NT is that he's not afraid to use both feet. His left foot looks neat off the boot but often misses it's target. It's at least somewhat encouraging that he's willing to use his opposite side though. To be honest, when I first saw him he kicked a ball on his left that he could've used his right for so I was a bit confused as to which foot he was meant to kick with.

He does have a bit of toe but I'm still not exactly sold on him yet. I expect him to end up on a list but it'd be pretty late and there's a bit of work to do with him. The good news is that he has natural ability and a good work rate on the ground and those sort of players always give themselves every opportunity to succeed.

Considering he fills a special need then a fourth rounder would be appropriate since there aren't many small forwards going around. From what I've seen though I'd rather Ash Hockey from the Murray Bushrangers (181cm, 78kg). I've seen him play a few times and he can play midfield and FP. I'm not sure if his pressure is as good as Wonaemirri's. I've actually got some tapes of some Bushrangers games so I'll have a look at Hockey's forward line pressure. He might be worth a third rounder, but if it comes to the fourth round and we haven't got a small forward I'd take Hockey over Wonaemirri.

 

[lunacy]

Id say we need in no particular order, a 3rd tall backman to replace Bassett, pacy hard tackling crumber, pacy midfielder with good disposal, KPF but he must be good otherwise I would take another quick midfielder and Taylor Walker.

A priority is they must all have good skills, we need to improve our disposal a shit load.

Stevens has that covered.
Rutten (FB), Bock (CHB), Stevens (3rd tall defender). McIntyre may be a future option as well.

Still leaves the following talls up forward to support Welsh and Burton; Hentschel, Gill, Sellar, Tippett, Griffin, Maric and Meesen, McGregor, Perrie (if still on list by then).

Another KPP should always be on the wish list but IMO not as urgent this year. I agree with pacy midfielder and pacy small forward. Taylor Walker sounds promising.

 

[CrowHop]

Jesse Aish with a third rounder may be an option aswell considering the supposed lack of depth in the draft.

Midfielders with the first pick, Walker with a late pick and the best available for anything in between I reckon.

Seems to me, there are a few experts around so i'll leave all the 'names' to them.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

What about Matthew Westhoff?

 

[glengowan]

I noticed that Heir was named at fullback for the Eagles last week. Does anyone know how he is going or if he is worth as a potential fullback as McIntyre and Stevens are more of the third defender type. Heir was mentioned in the lead up to last years draft. We lack a backup for Rutten if he gets injured and it may allow us to swing him forward at times.

Hier had some injury problems early in the year with his groin and is out again this week, but he's a good prospect. Doesn't get beaten often and has the body and the speed to match up and do well on the likes of Chambers, Schell and Alleway, all of whom he's beaten already in his short career. I think/thought he was better than McIntyre as far as one on one contests go. Perhaps the fact he just came down from the country as opposed to going though all the junior representative sides counts against him?

Other youngish players who Adelaide should look at either rookie listing or picking with a late pick are young kpp players in Salter from WWT, Wundke from NA and Havelberg from CD. There is plenty of talent around the place if there is a lack of depth of 18 year olds.

 

[Mong]

Okay guys, time has come.

No, it hasn't. The season is still going.

 

[rudiger]

Can we get Jesse Aish under father-son rule? Would he be worth it? Havent seen him play so have no idea of talent or ability. What do you think Drummond you see alot of Norwood?

 

[NikkiNoo]

Can we get Jesse Aish under father-son rule? Would he be worth it? Havent seen him play so have no idea of talent or ability. What do you think Drummond you see alot of Norwood?

First question the answer is yes, the other question the club seems to think is a no - they have had at least one draft to take him and have not done so.

 

[MickyCrow]

First question the answer is yes, the other question the club seems to think is a no - they have had at least one draft to take him and have not done so.

I actually think he maybe a chance because

a) he has (from what I have seen), improved dramatically this year

b) we can use our second last pick this year, rather than a 3rd round, presuming we take Taylor Walker with our last. So is he worth a punt with say, pick 60 0dd (our fourth round-fifth round pick) as most are outsiders at this stage in the draft, especially in somewhat weak drafts

C) As a mature age recruit, he can be given a one year contract

Personally, I would like to see us take a Palmer, Ebert or if not available Selwood type with our first pick; a rioli/maric/ wonaemirra(sp?) type with our second; possibly James Wundke if available with our third; Tom McNamara from South with our fourth and then Aish; Walker.

Depending on who leaves at the end of the year of course

 

[turbo182]

Jared Petrenko anyone?

Henley/Eagles player.

Super quick midfielder rebounding defender. Been playing mainly reserves but has played one league game I think (correct eagles fans?).

Was probally BOG for the first half for U/18's @ AAMi before drifting out of the game in 2nd half.

 

[- PC -]

I must of missed the thread which announced you as a moderator.

There wasnt one. Just expressing a wish that this thread doesnt turn into a '' we must draft this player or the coach sucks'' one.

But certainly feel free to ignore my comments , in this and the quoted thread

 

[fightingdreamer88]

Um, hello? What about Matthew Westhoff?

 

[PAFCsince1870]

Um, hello? What about Matthew Westhoff?

He might be worth a punt purely for the fact you may be able to lure Justin down the track.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

He might be worth a punt purely for the fact you may be able to lure Justin down the track.

Purely for that fact? Many say Matthew is the superior talent. Heck I've just noticed a thread on your board saying the same thing.

 

[-VC-]

Jared Petrenko anyone?

Henley/Eagles player.

Super quick midfielder rebounding defender. Been playing mainly reserves but has played one league game I think (correct eagles fans?).

Was probally BOG for the first half for U/18's @ AAMi before drifting out of the game in 2nd half.

Yep, I reckon Petrenko looks alright, at least from what I saw at the Championships. One of the very few U/18 players from SA worth having a look at. He could be a late pick.

I will say it again. Maric and Rioli are unlikely be there for our second round pick and Wonaemirri is not worth a second rounder. I think we could use a big bodied midfielder with our second round pick - Levi Greenwood would be a good choice here. If he's gone perhaps even someone with a bit more height and versatility like Andy Otten from Oakleigh Chargers or Ryan Normington from Murray Bushrangers.

 

[Crows #1]

Hier had some injury problems early in the year with his groin and is out again this week, but he's a good prospect. Doesn't get beaten often and has the body and the speed to match up and do well on the likes of Chambers, Schell and Alleway, all of whom he's beaten already in his short career. I think/thought he was better than McIntyre as far as one on one contests go. Perhaps the fact he just came down from the country as opposed to going though all the junior representative sides counts against him?

Other youngish players who Adelaide should look at either rookie listing or picking with a late pick are young kpp players in Salter from WWT, Wundke from NA and Havelberg from CD. There is plenty of talent around the place if there is a lack of depth of 18 year olds.

Thanks for that. Sounds like he is the type of player that I think we should be after. Still, I'd go for the best available and use the rookie list and maybe the last pick to fill a need.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yep, I reckon Petrenko looks alright, at least from what I saw at the Championships. One of the very few U/18 players from SA worth having a look at. He could be a late pick.

I will say it again. Maric and Rioli are unlikely be there for our second round pick and Wonaemirri is not worth a second rounder. I think we could use a big bodied midfielder with our second round pick - Levi Greenwood would be a good choice here. If he's gone perhaps even someone with a bit more height and versatility like Andy Otten from Oakleigh Chargers or Ryan Normington from Murray Bushrangers.

Love him .....ungainly ...but GREAT HANDS ......is one of those players that's not a KPP so would be a third tall up forwrd .....depends on our needs ....not sure that's one of them though.

Midfielders and defenders the go IMO

 

[mickyj]

Yep, I reckon Petrenko looks alright, at least from what I saw at the Championships. One of the very few U/18 players from SA worth having a look at. He could be a late pick.

I will say it again. Maric and Rioli are unlikely be there for our second round pick and Wonaemirri is not worth a second rounder. I think we could use a big bodied midfielder with our second round pick - Levi Greenwood would be a good choice here. If he's gone perhaps even someone with a bit more height and versatility like Andy Otten from Oakleigh Chargers or Ryan Normington from Murray Bushrangers.

Petrenko is a goer worth a draft pick.
And a CHF of the future the crows could do worse than picking up Staples.
Crumbing forward type Daveron.

 

[mickyj]

Probably not a year where you SANFL watchers can really get into it because it's a pretty weak crop coming through SA. There's a couple of overaged SANFL players that might go, such as Havelberg (I've not seen him, just using him as an example).

But at U/18 level the cupboard is bare for SA. Someone mentioned Ebert sliding because an SA player always does - well, Ebert is the only early selection for SA in this draft so if he doesn't slide then look elsewhere. Levi Greenwood will go next, which will probably be late second round, early third so we could get our hands on him if it's local talent we're specifically looking for.

This is certainly going to be a Vic and WA draft. To be honest, there'll probably be as many Queenslanders as SA U/18 players drafted, which is about three or four. It just depends if there's a few mature aged players that get a go.

Considering we can take Taylor Walker with our last pick I reckon our strategy should be to take an elite midfielder with our first pick. We took Sellar and Tippett last year there wouldn't be much point looking for a similar sort so early (this year it would be Lachlan Henderson). Cotchin will certainly be gone and personally I think Morton will be too so we'll be hoping for one of Palmer, Masten or Ebert to slide to our pick. If we end up in the finals I doubt we'll get any of them with Pick #10 (keep in mind, the likelihood of Carlton getting a first round PP).

Realistically I would love to see us get Patrick Veszpremi. He's the sort of player you pay money to go and see. Flamboyant midfielder/flanker who runs the lines, is full of confidence and has a penetrating kick. He's good in traffic as far as dodging and weaving goes, but he also has a strong body so he can break tackles. His disposal is often criticised, but I don't see why. His stats on the TAC Cup site suggest that he has a good ratio of effective to ineffective disposal. The thing that his kicking will do is hurt opposition because he's very damaging.

A lot of players are dubbed 10-20 players in this draft so some might rate him around 18-20, but personally I rate him more as 10-15. If we finish a little bit lower then I'd probably have a dip at Rioli if he's available, but being the eternal optimist I'll pin us for Pick 10 and Rioli would probably be gone by then.

A very interesting post Vic Crow. My mail is there are lots of AFL spies watching SANFL games and they mainly watch seconds games. I have been told at various times these spies work out they have been sent to watch the same players. Of course they could be all over the nation doing the same.
And i have lost count the number of times Adelaide scouts have sat near myself at woodville oval.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Probably not a year where you SANFL watchers can really get into it because it's a pretty weak crop coming through SA. There's a couple of overaged SANFL players that might go, such as Havelberg (I've not seen him, just using him as an example).

But at U/18 level the cupboard is bare for SA. Someone mentioned Ebert sliding because an SA player always does - well, Ebert is the only early selection for SA in this draft so if he doesn't slide then look elsewhere. Levi Greenwood will go next, which will probably be late second round, early third so we could get our hands on him if it's local talent we're specifically looking for.

This is certainly going to be a Vic and WA draft. To be honest, there'll probably be as many Queenslanders as SA U/18 players drafted, which is about three or four. It just depends if there's a few mature aged players that get a go.

Considering we can take Taylor Walker with our last pick I reckon our strategy should be to take an elite midfielder with our first pick. We took Sellar and Tippett last year there wouldn't be much point looking for a similar sort so early (this year it would be Lachlan Henderson). Cotchin will certainly be gone and personally I think Morton will be too so we'll be hoping for one of Palmer, Masten or Ebert to slide to our pick. If we end up in the finals I doubt we'll get any of them with Pick #10 (keep in mind, the likelihood of Carlton getting a first round PP).

Realistically I would love to see us get Patrick Veszpremi. He's the sort of player you pay money to go and see. Flamboyant midfielder/flanker who runs the lines, is full of confidence and has a penetrating kick. He's good in traffic as far as dodging and weaving goes, but he also has a strong body so he can break tackles. His disposal is often criticised, but I don't see why. His stats on the TAC Cup site suggest that he has a good ratio of effective to ineffective disposal. The thing that his kicking will do is hurt opposition because he's very damaging.

A lot of players are dubbed 10-20 players in this draft so some might rate him around 18-20, but personally I rate him more as 10-15. If we finish a little bit lower then I'd probably have a dip at Rioli if he's available, but being the eternal optimist I'll pin us for Pick 10 and Rioli would probably be gone by then.

Vic Crow beeen reading your posts on the draft board .......you certainly have some knowledge and express your views in this area excellent.

What a great post and I agree 100% ..... I wouldn't know Patrick Veszpremi from a jam tin but he appears to have fallen off the radar this season after being right up there at the end of last year.
But if you think he's worth it ......I do value your opinion highly, then I'll keep a closer eye on him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Vic Crow ....whats your thoughts on Mitch Farmer .....he looks very smooth operator but gets neglected I suspect because he plays mainly BP?

 

[-VC-]

A very interesting post Vic Crow. My mail is there are lots of AFL spies watching SANFL games and they mainly watch seconds games. I have been told at various times these spies work out they have been sent to watch the same players. Of course they could be all over the nation doing the same.
And i have lost count the number of times Adelaide scouts have sat near myself at woodville oval.

Hmmm, that is pretty interesting. It'd be crazy of the club not to look very closely in their own backyard, but from what I've seen on the wider stage (National Championships) there ain't much to crow home about. For the record, I actually see Crows scouts at TAC Cup games more than any other AFL team. Not to say they're there more, but I often notice them.

Vic Crow ....whats your thoughts on Mitch Farmer .....he looks very smooth operator but gets neglected I suspect because he plays mainly BP?

I really like Mitch Farmer and someone mentioned on here a few weeks ago that the Crows were considering him last year. Personally, I'd love to see him on our list. He has very good rebounding skills but is also good in the air for a guy standing 179cm. I'm certainly not making this comparison skill wise, but the role he plays would make him a handy replacement for Andrew McLeod in the next few years.

If we want him we'd probably need to use the third rounder on him. Now that you mention him, I'd be more than happy for the Crows to part with a third rounder for him. He was very impressive at the Championships and I can't believe he didn't get named All-Australian.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Wouldn't mind Andy Otten. Since we are in love with utilities, Otten is as versatile as you can get. Is KPP height but can play anywhere on the park bar ruck.

 

[glengowan]

Jared Petrenko anyone?

Henley/Eagles player.

Super quick midfielder rebounding defender. Been playing mainly reserves but has played one league game I think (correct eagles fans?).

Was probally BOG for the first half for U/18's @ AAMi before drifting out of the game in 2nd half.

Yes, definitely! He is a gun! Hasn't broken in to the league team yet. I'd suggest he would have notched up 7 or 8 league games by now had it not been for the U/18 champs as when those boys got back all the league regulars started coming back from injury as well and if he got his opportunity I'm sure he would have kept his spot.

Lightning quick, good skills, good tackler and gets the hard ball unlike a number of those type of players. He'll get picked up no later than the 3rd round I reckon. Hopefully by the Crows.