List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[WaynesWorld19]

Wasn't a knee reco WW , a fracture through a joint leaves permanent damage to the joint let alone the other things that happened to the soft tissue

I will be highly surprised if he's in the mix for our picks

I was referring to Lever and why we were confident in taking him ......i understand the complexities with Burton ...and too us un-informed supporters it's a huge risk

What i was saying is the club has all the facts ......if we choose Burton, there will be no risk

 

[rezagun]

Which does beg the question... if they preferred to use Crouch & CEY as inside midfielders (and I'm agreeing with you here), what does that say about how highly they rate Grigg's inside abilities? He's not good enough to force his way ahead of his peers as an inside mid, so they're forced to try and reinvent him as an outside mid - a position for which he is inherently unsuited.

Grigg's natural position is in the SANFL.

There isnt a rulebook that states a player can only play inside or outside mid.

 

[rezagun]

Pyke has stated he wants dual position players. So grigg is outside/inside much like douglas (except a left footer) a rareity in our squad. The players we have recruited seedsman, hampton and menzel all are dual position players aswell. It seems like a common theme and i believe all will feature heavily in our 2016 campaign.

 

[Bicks]

Not sure if already posted but Emma Quayle seems to think tucker might be in with a shot with our first pick.

I'd quite happily take him with 13, personally I'd be putting in a bid on Hipwood with our 1st if Francis is off the table already...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'd quite happily take him with 13, personally I'd be putting in a bid on Hipwood with our 1st if Francis is off the table already...

Bicks can i ask ...do you have a family connection with Tucker?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Pyke has stated he wants dual position players. So grigg is outside/inside much like douglas (except a left footer) a rareity in our squad. The players we have recruited seedsman, hampton and menzel all are dual position players aswell. It seems like a common theme and i believe all will feature heavily in our 2016 campaign.

We've mostly always thought that way anyway .......Henderson has got a wee bit better, and Tambling was the most outside player the Crows have ever had

 

[Vader]

I was referring to Lever and why we were confident in taking him ......i understand the complexities with Burton ...and too us un-informed supporters it's a huge risk

What i was saying is the club has all the facts ......if we choose Burton, there will be no risk

There is definitely a risk, whether the club chooses him or not. Selecting him says that the club thinks they can manage the risk, or that the potential benefits outweigh the risks. It doesn't say that there is no risk.

 

[Bicks]

Bicks can i ask ...do you have a family connection with Tucker?

WW, can I ask do you have a family connection to Charlie Curnow or have you "cooled" on him already??

Or whoever your latest "fancy" is for that matter??

 

[LC40]

You do realize that M.Crouch isn't in the side to do that, right?

It's like being disappointed in Talia for not kicking goals.

No, he's not! Crouch is a midfielder. As an in and under or outside mid he still has to have the ability able to get the ball in quick and over lines whether it's a kick or running forward.
Sure he gets the ball out in a pack with a handball but that can't be his only strength.If he persists with little chip passes which don't damage teams at times he won't hold his place in the side.
Crouch isn't a dud, I didn't say that. I stated he has a high kicking efficiency rating because he uses the short pass so much.
His long kicking is, well not that effective a lot of the time and it needs to get better. he's a young footballer with some faults.

I guessing by your logic only running half backs or wingman break lines. Sam Mitchell isn't the fastest footballer going but he certainly breaks the lines with his kicking over opponents to advantage. I can't actually think of an A grade midfielder that doesn't use run or carry in his arsenal or have the ability to hit a target with a hefty kick.
I'm really interested in what his role is in the side... just get the ball out to receivers!

 

[Bicks]

No, he's not! Crouch is a midfielder. As an in and under or outside mid he still has to have the ability able to get the ball in quick and over lines whether it's a kick or running forward.
Sure he gets the ball out in a pack with a handball but that can't be his only strength.If he persists with little chip passes which don't damage teams at times he won't hold his place in the side.
Crouch isn't a dud, I didn't say that. I stated he has a high kicking efficiency rating because he uses the short pass so much.
His long kicking is, well not that effective a lot of the time and it needs to get better. he's a young footballer with some faults.

I guessing by your logic only running half backs or wingman break lines. Sam Mitchell isn't the fastest footballer going but he certainly breaks the lines with his kicking over opponents to advantage. I can't actually think of an A grade midfielder that does use run or carry in his arsenal or have the ability to hit a target with a hefty kick.
I'm really interested in what his role is in the side... just get the ball out to receivers!

Just being picky here but a recent Brownlow medallist [2014] fits that category pretty much, certainly the hefty kick bit and very little of the former.

I took it you meant doesn't not does?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

No, he's not! Crouch is a midfielder. As an in and under or outside mid he still has to have the ability able to get the ball in quick and over lines whether it's a kick or running forward.
Sure he gets the ball out in a pack with a handball but that can't be his only strength.If he persists with little chip passes which don't damage teams at times he won't hold his place in the side.
Crouch isn't a dud, I didn't say that. I stated he has a high kicking efficiency rating because he uses the short pass so much.
His long kicking is, well not that effective a lot of the time and it needs to get better. he's a young footballer with some faults.

I guessing by your logic only running half backs or wingman break lines. Sam Mitchell isn't the fastest footballer going but he certainly breaks the lines with his kicking over opponents to advantage. I can't actually think of an A grade midfielder that does use run or carry in his arsenal or have the ability to hit a target with a hefty kick.
I'm really interested in what his role is in the side... just get the ball out to receivers!

Lets wait until he does a full pre season , he never even did one in junior footy

Quite remarkable he's been playing AFL having never done one

 

[LC40]

Andrew Mcleod managed a good 8 years without knee cartilage.

Did he start his career without knee cartilage?
Trouble for Burton rightly or wrongly is everyone knows his condition before this draft.
Sure he might end up like McLeod (very few do) but the question our recruiters will be agonising over is do we take that chance. When there are healthy players in the draft who can play the same role.

I still think we're looking at a tall,tall (200cms) and a mid-fielder. If Francis drops that might change our thinking on one pick.

 

[LC40]

Lets wait until he does a full pre season , he never even did one in junior footy

Quite remarkable he's been playing AFL having never done one

Agree!

 

[LC40]

Just being picky here but a recent Brownlow medallist [2014] fits that category pretty much, certainly the hefty kick bit and very little of the former.

I took it you meant doesn't not does?

Yes

 

[Mego Red]

Dominant stats??

I'm fine if Ogilvie and co draft him as they have better resources at their disposal than I, but I did watch the U18's Champs and on what I saw I thought he was very underwhelming, a couple of the more "dominant" SA youngsters during the Champs Partington and Snelling have hardly rated a mention on here??

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-23/u18-championships-div-1-round-1-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-31/u18-championships-div-1-round-2-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-11/u18-championships-div-1-round-3-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/u18-championships-div-1-round-4-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-26/u18-championships-div-1-round-5-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-02/u18-championships-div-1-round-6-stats

Grab the Inside Football draft edition. Has the stats for every level they played this year, and Milera has some tremendous numbers in the SANFL u/18s and reserves. We all see the champ stats and we've heard about him in the seniors, but I found the other numbers to be very interesting.

 

[Mego Red]

WW, can I ask do you have a family connection to Charlie Curnow or have you "cooled" on him already??

Or whoever your latest "fancy" is for that matter??

Do you have a connection to Tucker? I like the sound of the guy, but you seem to have been REALLY supportive of him for a while.

 

[Elite Crow]

WW, can I ask do you have a family connection to Charlie Curnow or have you "cooled" on him already??

Or whoever your latest "fancy" is for that matter??

WW has a large family, Curnow, Oliver, Charlie Cameron, Mackay and Jarhan Jacky

 

[Doctor B]

Look at the first comment under the tweet.

 

[GrommoT]

That's Kane Johnson in the picture!

A rather odd pix to use in the tweet ... is it a sudoku thing or something?

And doesn't Lever look like the odd Crow out?

Spoiler

 

[Doctor B]

Rory was about 5 in 1995! Even if you are too young to remember Kane Johnson wouldn't basic maths kick in to work out his age?

 

[Matman23]

Pyke has stated he wants dual position players. So grigg is outside/inside much like douglas (except a left footer) a rareity in our squad. The players we have recruited seedsman, hampton and menzel all are dual position players aswell. It seems like a common theme and i believe all will feature heavily in our 2016 campaign.

Francis and Milera fit that direction perfectly. We seen both of them at all parts of the ground throughout the championship.

 

[Bicks]

Do you have a connection to Tucker? I like the sound of the guy, but you seem to have been REALLY supportive of him for a while.

Look I've answered this multiple times, No I do not.
I HAVE seen a fair bit of his junior career living in the Ballarat area and regularly attending Ballarat Rebels games. If you care to check back to last years draft talk I've been quite bullish about his prospects as an AFL quality footballer for some time now so I'm not a "Johnny come lately" in that regard. I do know a member of the support staff at the Rebels who tells me he is a quality young man with high character and a natural leader to add to his obvious football talent. He was also a very talented junior basketballer representing Victoria Country at the U16's Australian championships in 2012, something quite a few very good footballers have in their C.V.'s as well...Scott Pendlebury being a notable one.

I'll give you a couple of names from this area to look out for at next year's draft Jarrod Berry and Ezekiel Frank.

 

[Scorpus]

I'll give you a couple of names from this area to look out for at next year's draft Jarrod Berry and Ezekiel Frank.

With a name like that he's sure to be a star

 

[lunacy]

Dominant stats??

I'm fine if Ogilvie and co draft him as they have better resources at their disposal than I, but I did watch the U18's Champs and on what I saw I thought he was very underwhelming, a couple of the more "dominant" SA youngsters during the Champs Partington and Snelling have hardly rated a mention on here??

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-23/u18-championships-div-1-round-1-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-31/u18-championships-div-1-round-2-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-11/u18-championships-div-1-round-3-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/u18-championships-div-1-round-4-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-26/u18-championships-div-1-round-5-stats

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-02/u18-championships-div-1-round-6-stats

But he had very very good SANFL form against men and in finals.

 

[Golumless]

No, he's not! Crouch is a midfielder. As an in and under or outside mid he still has to have the ability able to get the ball in quick and over lines whether it's a kick or running forward.
Sure he gets the ball out in a pack with a handball but that can't be his only strength.If he persists with little chip passes which don't damage teams at times he won't hold his place in the side.
Crouch isn't a dud, I didn't say that. I stated he has a high kicking efficiency rating because he uses the short pass so much.
His long kicking is, well not that effective a lot of the time and it needs to get better. he's a young footballer with some faults.

I guessing by your logic only running half backs or wingman break lines. Sam Mitchell isn't the fastest footballer going but he certainly breaks the lines with his kicking over opponents to advantage. I can't actually think of an A grade midfielder that doesn't use run or carry in his arsenal or have the ability to hit a target with a hefty kick.
I'm really interested in what his role is in the side... just get the ball out to receivers!

Well no. Crouch's role is that of an inside midfielder so his main job is to win the clearances and get the ball out to players that can be more damaging (You're last sentence is spot on, and the role of any inside midfielder). One that can do damage is just icing, but you can be in the elite echelon as an inside midfielder without being one that does, hell Thommo has been elite for years and arguably he doesn't do much damage with his disposal, and he certainly isn't breaking any lines.

A recent midfielder doesn't do either and just won a Brownlow. In fact most inside midfielders don't do either, or very rarely do. There are some that break the norm of course, and those that do tend to be absolute superstars.