List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[The Sloane Ranger]

Burton is the obvious one! The dude has not played for almost two years, didn't run beep test because of concerns of running it on hard surface and how the knee will pull up afterwards. His knee injury has been compared by his surgeon as those you see in motorcycle accidents. The same knee that is already bone on bone and doctors are hoping that scar tissue grows and replaces the cartledge. All of that as an 18 year old kid! Even if he is ready to go now how long a career do you think he will have?

That is the only one that I have ever questioned but seems to be a popular selection at pick 13 because "it's worth the risk at 13 because we get a gun at 9 attitude". Luckily the club will be a lot more thorough and ruthless when it comes to their decision making at pick 13.

Great post

First time the club has had two top 13 picks and there there will be nothing other than thorough due diligence

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I would be happy with the following

Pick 9 - Francis or Milera

Pick 13 - Oliver or Mathieson

 

[Captain Furious]

I would be happy with the following

Pick 9 - Francis or Milera

Pick 13 - Oliver or Mathieson

Mathieson will probably be a good player, just don't think he and M.Crouch can play in the same side.

 

[Elite Crow]

Burton is the obvious one! The dude has not played for almost two years, didn't run beep test because of concerns of running it on hard surface and how the knee will pull up afterwards. His knee injury has been compared by his surgeon as those you see in motorcycle accidents. The same knee that is already bone on bone and doctors are hoping that scar tissue grows and replaces the cartledge. All of that as an 18 year old kid! Even if he is ready to go now how long a career do you think he will have?

That is the only one that I have ever questioned but seems to be a popular selection at pick 13 because "it's worth the risk at 13 because we get a gun at 9 attitude". Luckily the club will be a lot more thorough and ruthless when it comes to their decision making at pick 13.

And if the club still picks Burton at 13 there won't be an element of risk still?

No one is saying pick him if the club medicos don't think he's a goer.

So you've produced one example and even that's shaky

 

[Vader]

Mathieson will probably be a good player, just don't think he and M.Crouch can play in the same side.

Thompson will be retired soon. He could also replace Lyons if he's any good.

If he's good enough then the selectors will find a way of fitting him into the team. That's a big if, but they wouldn't draft him if they didn't rate his chances.

 

[craig crowing]

Although don't have great knowledge of draftees I don't see why we would draft more half back types in Tucker or Bonner when have so many, already boosted with Seedsman and Hampton added and Gore and Wigg in last year's draft ,
Especially if get Francis who best spot seems half back with our first pick.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And just on that, it could very well happen if Brett Anderson is close:

Can see this as a possible outcome, although IMO we would take Francis over Milera .....but Milera is very very good

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I can"t see Milera lasting on the board till our second pick. If we want him we would have to hope he would be there at 9. I have a feeling the Gold Coast will select him as a replacement for Bennel. I reckon we will go Francis at 9 and we will be stoked to get him. At 13 I would select Collins. A ready made full back to strengthen our KPD stocks.

After Parish, Milera is the next best runner in the draft ....in all likelihood will not get to #9

 

[AdelaideFan14]

And just on that, it could very well happen if Brett Anderson is close:

11 - Carlton: Burton
12 - Brisbane: Hipwood
13 - Adelaide: Milera
14 - Carlton: H. McKay
15 - Richmond: Mathieson
16 - Adelaide: Francis

If the D&T rumours thread is accurate, I think the 11-16 section of the draft will look more like this. I seriously hope that we rate Milera above McKay.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Mathieson will probably be a good player, just don't think he and M.Crouch can play in the same side.

I understand your concern however Mathieson is different in the sense that he can push forward and is very strong overhead, similar to Ziebel and Danger in that sense

 

[blaisee]

11 - Carlton: Burton
12 - Brisbane: Hipwood
13 - Adelaide: Milera
14 - Carlton: H. McKay
15 - Richmond: Mathieson
16 - Adelaide: Francis

If the D&T rumours thread is accurate, I think the 11-16 section of the draft will look more like this. I seriously hope that we rate Milera above McKay.

I don't think we will take mathieson.

We would take Francis

 

[Captain Furious]

Thompson will be retired soon. He could also replace Lyons if he's any good.

If he's good enough then the selectors will find a way of fitting him into the team. That's a big if, but they wouldn't draft him if they didn't rate his chances.

I understand your concern however Mathieson is different in the sense that he can push forward and is very strong overhead, similar to Ziebel and Danger in that sense

It's the combination of poor endurance, pace and kicking skills. Certainly doesn't mean he won't be a great player but is pretty much the same problems as M Crouch has.

Think having both Thompson and M Crouch in the same side has been a problem. Wouldn't want to perpetuate that for the next decade.

 

[StonesThrow]

Mathieson looks weird?! I don't know how to explain is but he always seems to get a weird scrappy handball away while being tackled.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Mathieson looks weird?! I don't know how to explain is but he always seems to get a weird scrappy handball away while being tackled.

Hate to say it, but slightly unco looking? Just ever so slightly. Bit like Toumpas.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

It's the combination of poor endurance, pace and kicking skills. Certainly doesn't mean he won't be a great player but is pretty much the same problems as M Crouch has.

Think having both Thompson and M Crouch in the same side has been a problem. Wouldn't want to perpetuate that for the next decade.

Thompson has one more year and Mathieson would largely spend that year in the sanfl

Again my pecking order is

Francis
Milera
Oliver
Mathieson

 

[Vader]

It's the combination of poor endurance, pace and kicking skills. Certainly doesn't mean he won't be a great player but is pretty much the same problems as M Crouch has.

Think having both Thompson and M Crouch in the same side has been a problem. Wouldn't want to perpetuate that for the next decade.

There's probably room for 2 slowish inside midfielders. There's not room for 3. This is why playing Thompson, Lyons and Crouch at the same time has been a problem (and also part of the reason why Grigg is a SANFL player). I think we could get away with Crouch & Mathieson if Thompson & Lyons aren't part of the equation.

** I'm not particularly in favour of drafting Mathieson, just saying that there could be room for him in the team if he's good enough to demand it.

 

[lunacy]

2007: Dangerfield (Pick 10), best in his draft year
2008: Davis (Pick 10), lost to GWS; Sloane (pick 44), top 5 in his draft year
2009: Talia (Pick 13), top 5 in his draft year
2010: Smith (Pick 14), top 5 in his draft year
2012: Crouch (MD #2), top 5 in his draft year
2014: Lever (Pick 13),

Not all that worried about who the likes of Carlton and Melbourne pick ahead of us, history tells us that half of these sides will **** it up and we'll end up with a star anyway.

Great post. I've made this point before too. Our last bunch have first rounders have been very good.

I disagree with one point though. Carlton & Melb both have different head recruiters now. Melb's new recruiter Jason Taylor hasn't made any mistakes at this stage (albiet very early picks).

 

[Mismatched]

There's probably room for 2 slowish inside midfielders. There's not room for 3. This is why playing Thompson, Lyons and Crouch at the same time has been a problem (and also part of the reason why Grigg is a SANFL player). I think we could get away with Crouch & Mathieson if Thompson & Lyons aren't part of the equation.

** I'm not particularly in favour of drafting Mathieson, just saying that there could be room for him in the team if he's good enough to demand it.

I'd rather us attempt to find someone who's perhaps not quite such an inside beast, but makes up for it with far superior pace and kicking skills.

I think we've already got enough options for guys who could potentially replace Thommo, I also feel we've been running with 1-2 too many inside beasts, which leads to us having a poor spread as they're all fighting for the inside ball, with none waiting on the outside to do something with it, or defend it if the opposition win.

I like the look of Tucker or Hibberd for our pick 13, both look to have genuine inside potential, but with strong outside games as well.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Great post. I've made this point before too. Our last bunch have first rounders have been very good.

I disagree with one point though. Carlton & Melb both have different head recruiters now. Melb's new recruiter Jason Taylor hasn't made any mistakes at this stage (albiet very early picks).

agree re Jason Taylor - melb won't be stuffing up much from here

Jury still out on SOS , that menzel trade then using 28 on a group of v average footballers has me uncertain

 

[Elite Crow]

2007: Dangerfield (Pick 10), best in his draft year
2008: Davis (Pick 10), lost to GWS; Sloane (pick 44), top 5 in his draft year
2009: Talia (Pick 13), top 5 in his draft year
2010: Smith (Pick 14), top 5 in his draft year
2012: Crouch (MD #2), top 5 in his draft year
2014: Lever (Pick 13),

Not all that worried about who the likes of Carlton and Melbourne pick ahead of us, history tells us that half of these sides will **** it up and we'll end up with a star anyway.

Our recent drafting has been excellent, but there is still a chance players we want will go.

And imagine how good we would have been without the sanctions, Patrick Cripps

 

[Vader]

I'd rather us attempt to find someone who's perhaps not quite such an inside beast, but makes up for it with far superior pace and kicking skills.

I think we've already got enough options for guys who could potentially replace Thommo, I also feel we've been running with 1-2 too many inside beasts, which leads to us having a poor spread as they're all fighting for the inside ball, with none waiting on the outside to do something with it, or defend it if the opposition win.

I like the look of Tucker or Hibberd for our pick 13, both look to have genuine inside potential, but with strong outside games as well.

We've lost Dangerfield and we're losing Thompson. Those are the two biggest clearance winners on our team list, by a significant margin. We need to get a player who is an inside superstar. That's not to say that we shouldn't be getting a player with in/out class, which is why I would not be unhappy with a combination of Francis/Mathieson, though I would prefer Francis/Oliver.

 

[Elite Crow]

We've lost Dangerfield and we're losing Thompson. Those are the two biggest clearance winners on our team list, by a significant margin. We need to get a player who is an inside superstar. That's not to say that we shouldn't be getting a player with in/out class, which is why I would not be unhappy with a combination of Francis/Mathieson, though I would prefer Francis/Oliver.

Exactly, we need to build our inside mids as we've traded in outside runners.

We need to trade in a quality mid next year, we have the money and next year is supposed to be a mids draft

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We've lost Dangerfield and we're losing Thompson. Those are the two biggest clearance winners on our team list, by a significant margin. We need to get a player who is an inside superstar. That's not to say that we shouldn't be getting a player with in/out class, which is why I would not be unhappy with a combination of Francis/Mathieson, though I would prefer Francis/Oliver.

We have 3 on our list ...Crouch brothers and Sloane . All can be elite as inside mids

We need a complete mid that can play in/out and also on the flanks

Not many of those available with our picks , parish and mills are the ones that would suit from this draft

 

[azza77]

In 3 consecutive posts you've demonstrated a startling lack of knowledge of the game.

I'm glad you brought up West Coast (McGovern and Schofield will be very surprised to hear that neither of them played in the Grand Final) because they're an excellent case in point. When Brown, McKenzie and McGovern all went down during the season, they still had Schofield and Barrass to play. They have 5 defenders at 195cm or over. We have one.

The third tall is a resting ruckman? Ok. You might want to look that up or maybe watch some games. The third tall is not called third because they're not as good (that's kind of funny). They're generally shorter and more suited to rebounding, coming off their man, being third guy up etc. Josh Gibson is an excellent example of a third tall.

And Andy Otten has never played as a KPD. He's always been a rebounding defender and finished 2nd in the Rising Star in that role.

Look, an exact definition of a 3rd tall is going to get lost in debate here, as it is a role that could very easily satisfy both ends of the spectrum in this argument.

Apologies, I actually forgot about Schofield in my original post, so forgive me there. But anyways, you count Barrass and Mcgovern in your argument, I count Otten and Shaw in mine. Whats the difference?

Schofield is actually a very good example of someone who I see very similar to Sam Shaw. He plays the 3rd tall KPD because he isn't as good as Emac or Brown. If they go down, and they did, he then moves up into the next roles as a first or second choice defender.

But for now, he is a 196cm player, playing as the 3rd tall, because if everyone is fit then he's either playing that role or he is out of the side. But, Schofield IS a KPD. Its the exact same with Shaw. Shaw spent 2012 manning up on some of the bigger forwards in the comp.

In regards to Otten, he may have been a rebounding defender at one point, but he is no more, which was actually my original point. The ONLY time Otten is going to be playing for us in 2016 (IMHO) is as coverage if one of Talia/Hartigan/Lever goes down, or someone like Jenkins down the other end, who are all KPPs...


And in regards to resting ruckmen, what are you on about? Go look at most sides. Hawks, Eagles and 2 examples of the very best sides that have 2 gun forwards and then the resting ruckmen, which is often referred too as the 3rd tall, in which you are going to need a THRID TALL KPD defender to combat. Yeah sure, you can argue semantics and say that someone like Gunston is the 3rd tall and the resting ruckmen is the FF, but you still need a KPD to lockdown on Gunston. Youre not going to send Brodie Smith or Brad Sheppard to ****ing to a Nic Nat/Darling or Hale/Roughead type are you now? If the team you're playing has fewer tall options where only the 2 conventional KPDs are needed, you drop a KPD for someone with a bit more run and carry.

 

[Hodgy]

Possibly. They may want Francis at 11. Francis has to be ahead of Burton for us.

Surely with all the forwards that they have lost Carlton need to pick one at 8. They need to build for 5 years not next year so with a good midfield draft next year it would surely make sense to grab at least one key forward this year. If that's the case then I think they take either Burton or Mackay which means we might get Francis or Milera at 9. Let's hope so anyway.