List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Rory Walkerfield]

So for one of the draft experts on here. Which clubs will be taking academy picks this year? Also, I understand that those taking an academy player need to match the points by putting their best pick forward then adding later picks to meet the points.

Can they choose which later picks to use? Ie if they've already had to put a first up, do they need to then put their second up if the first isn't enough points, or could they keep their second but add their third if that gives sufficient points?

Am trying to work out which clubs may be prepared to downgrade their second to a later second plus third if the points add up, and if anyone would be willing to do it.

 

[Sanders]

Why don't we save that word for the actual stars. The Dangers and Fyfes and Franklins.

Isaac Smith gets given the ball a lot by the ball winners at Hawthorn and finds targets. Is he a match winner? Do fans go to games excited about watching him play? He wasn't in the top 50 of the AFLCA awards, wasn't in the AA squad of 40, got 3 Brownlow votes and will probably finish around 8-10 in Hawthorn's B&F.

He's a good player in a good side. Not a star.

Weren't you the guy claiming Jack Redden was a potato cause he hadn't made the lions B&F top 10 the previous 2 years, and hadn't realised he'd missed most of both through injury?

So you don't have a superlative record With other teams players

 

[Infra Ted]

Why do they do the beep test on wooden floorboards when we play on grass?

Look, I'm no biomechanics but running on grass is much harder than running on a wooden floorboards and would give misleading data.

Not really. The beep test is a universal, standardised test. Therefore, the conditions and procedures of the test must adhere to strict protocol and remain consistent and controlled to ensure the results are reliable and valid.

Performing the test on grass changes the entire dynamics of the test and therefore results can't be compared to global/national averages, other athletes, etc; compromising the data and rendering it useless.

It is also important to note that there is high correlation between ones beep test score and ones VO2 max. Changing the variables of the test may equal a misrepresentation of ones VO2 max.

 

[Infra Ted]

Then again the last time I did the beep test I got a 4. The whole things a sham!! [emoji6]

 

[Captain Furious]

Weren't you the guy claiming Jack Redden was a potato cause he hadn't made the lions B&F top 10 the previous 2 years, and hadn't realised he'd missed most of both through injury?

So you don't have a superlative record With other teams players

17 and 14 games is not most of the season. And I said he was a good player but not worth pick 13 and $600K a season. Which I stand by.

But your pathetic niggling is never based on fact. Why don't you go and troll someone else's board.

 

[Captain Furious]

So you're saying he does exactly what a player in his position is supposed to do?

Absolutely. He does his job and does it very well. Not really the qualification for being a star. But go on, call every good player in the comp a star and render the word meaningless.

 

[crowman_23]

Big night om the town tonight, from current and ex players, clubs not in a good state. Don't think we'll ever get back to the glory days!

 

[Red mist]

Big night om the town tonight, from current and ex players, clubs not in a good state. Don't think we'll ever get back to the glory days!

Just get home? What's the hotspot?

 

[MRB37]

Big night om the town tonight, from current and ex players, clubs not in a good state. Don't think we'll ever get back to the glory days!

And that means?

 

[Mego Red]

No and No.

Bicks does some really good work around draft time. I rate his opinions and think they're more informed than many on BF.

 

[Alex99]

Not really. The beep test is a universal, standardised test. Therefore, the conditions and procedures of the test must adhere to strict protocol and remain consistent and controlled to ensure the results are reliable and valid.

Performing the test on grass changes the entire dynamics of the test and therefore results can't be compared to global/national averages, other athletes, etc; compromising the data and rendering it useless.

It is also important to note that there is high correlation between ones beep test score and ones VO2 max. Changing the variables of the test may equal a misrepresentation of ones VO2 max.

Yeah no.

VO2 max can be messured many ways. Usually it's done on a treadmill. All you need to do is measures the volume of oxygen the athlete is consuming.

And I can not see any reason the AFL would measure a beep test against others sports. That data is irrelevent against a basketball player or a hockey player meaning the consistency of the test doesn't really matter.

As long as the environment stays the same for all participants, it doesn't matter what the test conditions are like. You are trying to measure aerobic fitness and cardiovascular endurance.

 

[Sanders]

17 and 14 games is not most of the season. And I said he was a good player but not worth pick 13 and $600K a season. Which I stand by.

makes your point and you look a bit silly though doesn't it?

Isaac Smith is a wonderful player BTW

 

[latinoheat]

Big night om the town tonight, from current and ex players, clubs not in a good state. Don't think we'll ever get back to the glory days!

Can you elaborate ?

 

[crowman_23]

Can you elaborate ?

haha WOW, was a large night. Just a few things were said that didn't sound positive. For example Shaun McKernan noted that every single person knew Danger wanted out 3 years ago, not one point was it ever in doubt. Said he didn't want to go himself, but movement is openly discussed, and Danger isn't the last!

 

[crowman_23]

Also have zero idea why I posted any of that in 'Draft Watch'! Fair to say a great/large night!

 

[MRB37]

haha WOW, was a large night. Just a few things were said that didn't sound positive. For example Shaun McKernan noted that every single person knew Danger wanted out 3 years ago, not one point was it ever in doubt. Said he didn't want to go himself, but movement is openly discussed, and Danger isn't the last!

That doesn't surprise me in the least. My feeling was constantly increasing that he re-signed last time out of guilt or $ or something.

Anything else interesting? He didn't mention any other names did he?

 

[hey shorty]

I always take what ex players say about a club with a grain of salt.

 

[headache1]

Absolutely. He does his job and does it very well. Not really the qualification for being a star. But go on, call every good player in the comp a star and render the word meaningless.

Of course he isn't a star in the same sense as Nat Fyfe, or Ablett Jnr, that I'd certainly agree with. I would think for his position though, he is a star. It's not easy for mainly outside players to win individual awards, but we've seen how valuable they are by not having a whole heap of good ones ourselves of late.

 

[Infra Ted]

I always take what ex players say about a club with a grain of salt.

I always take what BF posters say about the club with a grain of salt.

 

[Infra Ted]

Yeah no.

VO2 max can be messured many ways. Usually it's done on a treadmill. All you need to do is measures the volume of oxygen the athlete is consuming.

And I can not see any reason the AFL would measure a beep test against others sports. That data is irrelevent against a basketball player or a hockey player meaning the consistency of the test doesn't really matter.

As long as the environment stays the same for all participants, it doesn't matter what the test conditions are like. You are trying to measure aerobic fitness and cardiovascular endurance.

If your trying to measure aerobic fitness and cardiovascular endurance then why does it matter what surface its performed on?

We're not measuring a players ability to run on grass.

 

[Alex99]

If your trying to measure aerobic fitness and cardiovascular endurance then why does it matter what surface its performed on?

We're not measuring a players ability to run on grass.

Yeah but you would still want to gain a good indication of their fitness level based on the surface they will actually play on.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Good to see Ryan burton do the 20m sprint at combine ....time prob not important as wouldn't be at his best

 

[Alex99]

Good to see Ryan burton do the 20m sprint at combine ....time prob not important as wouldn't be at his best

It's disappointing Fox Footy doesn't put this on.

Would be a good afternoon watching.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It's disappointing Fox Footy doesn't put this on.

Would be a good afternoon watching.

Surprised they don't milk it , they milk everything else , at least a 1 hr highlights package at the end of it

 

[Alex99]

Surprised they don't milk it , they milk everything else , at least a 1 hr highlights package at the end of it

I think the NBA have been doing this for a number of years.