List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Pugsley]

He can have a mo like a 12 year old boy or David Boon for all I care, as long as he gets a kick.

In the arse. I'm all for that [emoji106]

 

[lunacy]

Two of Francis, Milera and Oliver would be a good result. A mature KPD in the rookie draft would be a good option but I see very little point in drafting a mature KPF in the rookie draft. We do not need a limited, stop-gap KPF, we need a high quality, young, developing KPF who can step in to the side in 4 or 5 years time when he overtakes Jenkins. Any ready to go KPF we rookie list this year will end up being de-listed with 0 career games.

I'd agree we need both. Certainly a young talented kpf but also a stop gap mature ager. If tex or JJ get injured we're in a bit of trouble.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Dons might take Collins and swing Hooker or Hurley forward??

It's definitely possible, now they've lost Carslile.

 

[dylan123]

What's the point in getting a mature aged KP forward? We already have Tex, JJ and Lynch, plus numerous other backups.

Would love to hear about all these ready to go backup KP forwards we've got on our list as I don't see any outside of Jenkins and Tex.

- Lynch isn't a KP player
-Dear has played very little footy and wouldn't be ready to play AFL level
- McGovern isn't KP size (191cm and 84kg)
- Ramsey is 1cm taller and 2kg heavier than McGovern

So I'd love to hear who our backup KP forwards are that could fill in for us should one of Tex/Jenkins get injured (inb4 the ruckman Lowden and O'Brien get mentioned).

Backline is the same for Hartigan and Talia although we've probably got guys more capable of filling in for them then we do Jenkins/Tex.


If there was a mature aged forward that we think could play if called upon, don't think it would be the worst use of a rookie list spot myself.

 

[lunacy]

Who do we take at 9 if Mckay, Milera, and Francis are all gone? I think Burton/Tucker/Oliver would be next in line. (in no particular order)

If that happened, someone like Weiderman or Curnow may have slipped (unlikely).

 

[morris086]

Would love to hear about all these ready to go backup KP forwards we've got on our list as I don't see any outside of Jenkins and Tex.

- Lynch isn't a KP player
-Dear has played very little footy and wouldn't be ready to play AFL level
- McGovern isn't KP size (191cm and 84kg)
- Ramsey is 1cm taller and 2kg heavier than McGovern

So I'd love to hear who our backup KP forwards are that could fill in for us should one of Tex/Jenkins get injured (inb4 the ruckman Lowden and O'Brien get mentioned).

Backline is the same for Hartigan and Talia although we've probably got guys more capable of filling in for them then we do Jenkins/Tex.


If there was a mature aged forward that we think could play if called upon, don't think it would be the worst use of a rookie list spot myself.

With all our small/medium forward options do we need a ready to go back up for tex and jj at the moment though? Bring in a young guy or just restructure the forward line.

 

[lunacy]

He's the one I was referring to, the player we'd been linked to - but whom I don't expect to be available in the rookie draft. Not worth using #13 on him, should be gone before the RD starts.

Someone tweeted today that GWS are keen on Hartley.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

- McGovern isn't KP size (191cm and 84kg)
- Ramsey is 1cm taller and 2kg heavier than McGovern

Now this is embarrassing for you ......you've gone on a rant & not checked the facts :
If McGovern and Ramsey can't play KP because of height .....how do you explain a certain Tex Walker being the same height as Ramsay?

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Taylor
Walker
CAPTAIN
Height
192 cm
DOB
25-04-1990
Weight
100 kg

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Keenan
Ramsey

Height
192 cm
DOB
23-08-1996
Weight
86 kg

 

[Thetrader15]

I've watched a few highlights and both Francis and McKay look pretty good. If all are available at 9 who do we pick first: Francis, McKay or Milera...exclude the SA factor

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm starting to get the feel Collins won't be there at 13, could even go before 9 if Essendon's keen?

Fantastic .....now we can concentrate on discussing "real" prospects for our picks

NEVER on the radar ......why are people crapping on about taking a defender

There's more chance of me being selected

 

[Thetrader15]

Fantastic .....now we can concentrate on discussing "real" prospects for our picks

NEVER on the radar ......why are people crapping on about taking a defender

There's more chance of me being selected

We've signed Sam Shaw for another 3 years so you are half a chance.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm just desperately hoping this is the draft order...

1: Weitering (given)
2: Schache (given)
3: Parish (Dees moved up for a reason)
4: Weideman (Dons need a genuine tall)
5: Mathieson (Dons need a mid to go with their tall)
6: Milera (Suns need class now that Bennell is gone)
7: Curnow (Dees need a Stringer-like player to partner with Hulk)
8: McKay (Blues need a tall forward together with their pick 1 KPD)
9: Francis (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
10: Used for Hopper/Kennedy
11: Oliver (Blues need a mid to go with their two talls - balanced draft)
12: Honestly not sure who the Tigers will pick.
13: Ah Chee/Tucker/Hibberd/Burton

The two in that list i can see sliding are Mathieson & Weideman .....how far, not sure but feel 8-15 range

 

[WaynesWorld19]

We've signed Sam Shaw for another 3 years so you are half a chance.

2 years ......and my boots are shined and ready

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I've watched a few highlights and both Francis and McKay look pretty good. If all are available at 9 who do we pick first: Francis, McKay or Milera...exclude the SA factor

We'd go Francis first at #9 under your scenario

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I've watched a few highlights and both Francis and McKay look pretty good. If all are available at 9 who do we pick first: Francis, McKay or Milera...exclude the SA factor

My list would go:

Francis
Milera
Burton *if convinced on injury
Oliver
McKay

 

[WaynesWorld19]

My list would go:

Francis
Milera
Burton *if convinced on injury
Oliver
McKay

With our trades .....highly doubt a) Milera will get to us b) that we'd take him at 9

He has IMO been hyped a bit .....but really is surplus to our REAL needs ATM

Contested Midfielder .....marking midfielder
KPF if possible
Depending on injury and given we're a poor marking side Burton over Milera

 

[Wouldbetackler]

I've watched a few highlights and both Francis and McKay look pretty good. If all are available at 9 who do we pick first: Francis, McKay or Milera...exclude the SA factor

Surely Francis and hopefully one slips to 13 for us

 

[dylan123]

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Now this is embarrassing for you ......you've gone on a rant & not checked the facts :
If McGovern and Ramsey can't play KP because of height .....how do you explain a certain Tex Walker being the same height as Ramsay?

Care to read out the weight of those two players for me WW? Being a beanpole isn't going to help fill a key position spot, figured I wouldn't need to spell that out though....

And Tex was listed as 194cm here fwiw, probably wrong as I thought he was 192cm but I didn't just pull the number out of my ass like you might have thought - http://www.fanfooty.com.au/player/taylor-walker

 

[dylan123]

With all our small/medium forward options do we need a ready to go back up for tex and jj at the moment though? Bring in a young guy or just restructure the forward line.

For the structure they bring to the side I believe so. Big part of JJ coming good in the second half of the season was his ability to crash a pack which gave opportunities to guys like Betts/Cameron to do their thing. Without that part of JJ's game and I wasn't happy with him as we had a void in our forward line.

 

[Thetrader15]

2 years ......and my boots are shined and ready

If you are anything like SS your boots will still be shiny at the end of your contract

 

[displacedaussie]

When did JJ ever crash a pack? He was good, and he brought the ball to ground, but he never really crashed a pack.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If you are anything like SS your boots will still be shiny at the end of your contract

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Quote:
Knightmare 2015 Phantom Draft

Dr Awkward said: ↑
Hi KM, if you were to rank the AFL clubs based on their recent history in terms of drafting talent (let's say the past 6-8 years), how would you rank them?

Great question! And a fun one to discuss. Over the past 6-8 years I'd rate them roughly (and at some later date I may write a proper review on this where I actually analyse these clubs beyond just going off feel/memory recall as I am here):
1. Collingwood (If we were talking opposition talent identification I'd have Collingwood near last up until these past couple of offseasons, but since we're talking about draft day performance Collingwood I'd argue are the most consistent and strongest performers overall. Making great use of rookie selections, and on those rare occasions early selections are there they've made the most of them. And with Hine and Rendell heading up the recruiting this should come as no surprise with Hine excellent since taking over Collingwood's recruiting and Rendell back in his days as head recruiter at Adelaide similarly excellent and a big reason as to why they're so high up this list)
2. Geelong (Geelong have had some super-drafts and continue to build their list through the draft successfully. Where I knock Geelong slightly is some years on draft day they lack consistency, and they have not made great use of the rookie draft. But in terms of identifying value through the national draft there is no club better and on those rare occasions they have early selections they nail them)
3. Adelaide (Adelaide are not unlike Collingwood in the way they succeed through the draft. Late and rookie draft they have had great 1success, and on those odd occasions they have early selections they nail them. I also give Adelaide big credit for their key position player identification, where they have as good a strike rate as just about any)
4. Western Bulldogs (The Dogs have over recent years build an incredible young core group through the draft and have particularly with those early draft selections absolutely nailed it. It's in more recent years that the Dogs have started to successfully build through the draft with their performances from 2010 onward where they deserve credit for building one of the best young core groups in the game)
5. West Coast (West Coast like Adelaide are that other team that deserve credit for consistently nailing it with their identification of talls. West Coast also have a strong tendency to pick well performed players which leads to a relatively high hit rate with their selections)
6. Gold Coast (While Gold Coast haven't had any success in adding players from opposition lists they draft very well, identifying value with a lot of their selections over the years since entering the competition and also doing a particularly impressive job identifying good indigenous talent)
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7. Fremantle (They've hit a few home runs with some draft choices but have lacked consistency and have really struggled with identifying worthwhile key position players)
8. Sydney (Sydney have had success late and rookie draft with identifying talent, but have consistently struggled to convert their first round selections)
9. Port Adelaide (Have done well with top 10 selections but otherwise in the most part have been unimpressive draft day performers)
10. Hawthorn (Have here and there found some good talents through the draft but in the most part have been inconsistent at best through the draft, with their superiority coming from opposition talent identification)
11. Essendon (Have in more recent years drafted better after a long stretch of struggling to build through the draft)
12. Richmond (Have had a few hits, but still overall remain poor draft day performers and have become good through good opposition talent identification)
13. GWS (Did well with their prelisted players and have traded very wisely for some veteran talents but have been overall poor draft day performers with a lot more misses than I would consider acceptable given all those first round picks)
14. Brisbane (Some solid recent draft selections but have over the years struggled to build through the draft and have badly struggled to identify worthwhile key position players)
15. St Kilda (Have become strong draft day performers these past few years and have come a long way after a long period of consistently poor drafts)
16. Melbourne (Have had a lot more misses than they should have over the years with early draft selections but these past few seasons have drafted better finding more worthwhile talents than previously)
17. North Melbourne (A lot of first round misses and have struggled to build anything like young core group through the draft as a team that is successful because of how good their veterans remain)
18. Carlton (Other than Cripps have consistently struggled to identify talent through the draft or maximise the value of their selections)

 

[Bicks]

Fantastic .....now we can concentrate on discussing "real" prospects for our picks

NEVER on the radar ......why are people crapping on about taking a defender

There's more chance of me being selected

OK Hamish, you da man!!

Other people are allowed to have opinions other than yours Oh great one.

 

[Sanguinarius]

Dear is maybe a 20% chance of making it and that's before the shoulder injuries

You reckon hawthorn would let a freebie go if he was more than a 20% chance ? No way

The others are not genuine KPF , we have lost Pods who could have come straight in without a concern , the cupboard is now bare today and also in 3-5 yrs time

We would be mad to overlook a KPF with such high draft picks.

For a KPF taken outside the first 2 rounds, 20% would be a nice shot. Still way too early to tell though. And Ramsey is a KPF,not saying he's as good as tex, but he's a similar type of player. Mcgovern is more a third tall, true. I'm keen to see how they go with another preseason under their belts. We invested heavily here last draft, lets at least give them a chance to make the grade before scrapping them. Next year we'll be in a better position to make both calls.

We can't get a back-up worth having in this draft with our picks, even the top tier KPF talent are rarely good to go in the first season, and those that are struggle and go top 5. As it stands we got lucky with Tex, scouting JJ from the bombers was great recruiting, besides that our last successful KPF was Kurt in 2006 and before that I dont even know!