List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[WaynesWorld19]

the way the latest phantoms are going from 'in the know' journos, francis looks like he might slide to us like lever did. I remember reading alot of phantom drafts last year and levers name sat at 4-6 range all year. Then in the last couple of weeks his name and peter wrights name started to slip considerably in the pecking order replaced by marchbank and ahern. Even cockatoo and de goey rose up into the top 10.

Agree always last minute changes ......but Lever was off a Knee with no exposed form ......much like Burton this year

2 mtre Peter is a Ruckman .....the odds were always that he would drift ......it was a massive surprise that GC took him as he was surplus to needs ......but GC always take best available

Francis is not either injured or a ruckman ......he's a a 191cm utility, who's an excellent mark and excellent kick ......give me one reason why any logical person would see him slipping?????

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Francis is not either injured or a ruckman ......he's a a 191cm utility, who's an excellent mark and excellent kick ......give me one reason why any logical person would see him slipping?????

Sad but true…not even in my wildest dreams do I envisage Francis at pick 9.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

At pick 9 we either get one of Milera, Francis, Oliver or Mckay.

I'd agree with this at #9 .......Still think Burton / Mackay free at #13, If Weideman slides

 

[Captain Furious]

Remarkable that people still refer to Otten and Shaw as KPDs. They're not. Never have been, never will be.

We need another one on our list. More than likely to come from the rookie draft. Unless our main targets are gone and the only high rated players left are inside mids - Mathieson, Oliver etc. or half backs - Tucker, Bonner etc. - that we absolutely don't need; then we take Collins. He beat every key forward in the TAC, is big enough to play straight away if needed and doesn't run 18 until December, so still potential for growth in body and game.

 

[Captain Furious]

I'm not on the Oliver train at all. Think it would be a huge mistake.

 

[scoota10]

I think AFC Requires a KPD

Here is a List of Probably Backmen I have given a + for those who I think will be around the next 3 years
and a ? on others
Lever + Talia + Kelly + Smith + Hampton + Seedsman + Laird + Brown + Hartigan +

Wigg ? Shaw ? Otten ? VB ? Grigg ? Jaensch ? Henderson ? McGovern I don't know Back or Forward

What I am saying that there is no Height coming through the next 2 to 3 years, I say take one now and he should be ready in 2 seasons
So Oliver or Ah-Chee 1st pick and a KPD 2nd pick

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I think AFC Requires a KPD

Here is a List of Probably Backmen I have given a + for those who I think will be around the next 3 years
and a ? on others
Lever + Talia + Kelly + Smith + Hampton + Seedsman + Laird + Brown + Hartigan +

Wigg ? Shaw ? Otten ? VB ? Grigg ? Jaensch ? Henderson ? McGovern I don't know Back or Forward

What I am saying that there is no Height coming through the next 2 to 3 years, I say take one now and he should be ready in 2 seasons
So Oliver or Ah-Chee 1st pick and a KPD 2nd pick

Put it this way, with a fully fit best 22 on the field out of our current squad, hartigan would easily be the weakest link in the side. He is in the side by default, not because he is keeping someone else out.

 

[SydCrow]

add Ramsay to the list although he is only 192 cm (same height as Otten). And Cheney although he is only 187 cm.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I'd agree with this at #9 .......Still think Burton / Mackay free at #13, If Weideman slides

Reckon H McKay will be gone in top 10 , prob to carlton or even melbourne before that

 

[Wouldbetackler]

I don't put a lot of weight on the Morrish Medal, Oliver was probably helped in winning it due to not playing in the carnival or having AIS commitments.

When you look at the last few winners.

2014 Alex Carr
2013 Jacob Chisari; Ben Cavarra; George Cameron; Josh Scott
2012 Nick Graham
2011 Alex Benbow
2010 Dyson Heppell; Jackson Sketcher
2009 Anton Woods
2008 Farran Priest; Jarryd Blair
2007 Matthew Kreuzer
2006 Fortunato Caruso
2005 Fortunato Caruso

Not exactly a long history of the TAC Cup B&F going on to have an impact at AFL level.

I looked at that as well but just cos they won the Morrish medal didn't mean that were touted as top 15 draft picks like Heppell, Kreuzer and now Oliver this year if you are rated in the top 15 you have something special that sets you apart from the rest of the pack

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Reckon H McKay will be gone in top 10 , prob to carlton or even melbourne before that

Jeff, there's a possibility Weideman slides and Carlton takes him at #8 ......this from my Calculations may see Harry slide to #13

 

[Hodgy]

Put it this way, with a fully fit best 22 on the field out of our current squad, hartigan would easily be the weakest link in the side. He is in the side by default, not because he is keeping someone else out.

I wouldn't have Hartigan in our weakest 10, and he is only going to improve. People seem to continuously underestimate how many games of experience it takes before a KPD is at their best and to be honest his best so far has been pretty good anyway.
I really can't believe anyone would think that VB, Mackay, Hendo or Lyons, who were all in our finals side, would be above Hartigan in our "weakest Link" list. I just hope our recruiting staff aren't thinking the same way.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I wouldn't have Hartigan in our weakest 10, and he is only going to improve. People seem to continuously underestimate how many games of experience it takes before a KPD is at their best and to be honest his best so far has been pretty good anyway.
I really can't believe anyone would think that VB, Mackay, Hendo or Lyons, who were all in our finals side, would be above Hartigan in our "weakest Link" list. I just hope our recruiting staff aren't thinking the same way.

None of those listed are in my best 22 for 2016.

 

[Matman23]

I think that now would be the perfect time to bring in a key forward. To the point that it becomes one of our greatest needs along with outside run.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think that now would be the perfect time to bring in a key forward. To the point that it becomes one of our greatest needs along with outside run.

Agree ......ONLY IF the right player is available for KPF

 

[Matman23]

Agree ......ONLY IF the right player is available for KPF

100%.. I would hate to see us throw away a pick on a Jared Grant or Liam Jones.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

100%.. I would hate to see us throw away a pick on a Jared Grant or Liam Jones.

Adelaide have a very good track record (Sellars doesn't count ) at developing talls

Sellars was i think the Sth Aust Bias over shadowing best available ......but that's a while ago now

IMO it's Weideman or Mackay or nothing

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Drafting a tall KPF won't change our coverage.. at least not in 2016 it won't.

Our biggest need is high quality A-grade mids. We have plenty of mids. Good depth. We lack quality, particularly now that Dangerfield is gone and Thompson is likely to be gone very soon.

Yes, but that's the point of drafting a KPF now instead of in 3 years time. They won't provide much coverage next season, but they could in 2017/18/19. Waiting to draft a KPF later means we have to wait longer for them to be ready to step up. Kpf isn't a must get this year but we'll need look at getting one soon, and certainly shouldn't be written off as off limits position.

 

[StonesThrow]

I agree with Vader in that I hope we prioritise midfielders. Either 2 or at least pick 9. If you look at our list demographic our best players will be peaking over the next 4 years and we will not have a very good midfield to compliment guys like walker, Jacobs, Talia and lever.

Two 1st rounders could be playing good footy within 3 years. We've just had our best mid taken. Our second best mid probably only has next season left in him. Douglas is A grade at his best but maybe only has 2 good years left. We know Sloane and Smith are guns. Crouch is very much an 'if' at the moment. All of our other mids are unlikely to ever be A grade.

That makes Sloane and Smith over the coming years as our only A grade midfielders that we know of for sure. If you look at all of the best teams over the last 10 years, hawthorn is really the only one with gun kpf's. They've also nailed their midfield and defence. Imo having an elite midfield and a strong defence is the key to a premiership. Forward lines can be makeshift or simply solid.

That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Pdub]

I looked at that as well but just cos they won the Morrish medal didn't mean that were touted as top 15 draft picks like Heppell, Kreuzer and now Oliver this year if you are rated in the top 15 you have something special that sets you apart from the rest of the pack

It didn't set him apart from the pack when he wasn't selected for the Vic Country side or the AIS academy.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I agree with Vader in that I hope we prioritise midfielders. Either 2 or at least pick 9. If you look at our list demographic our best players will be peaking over the next 4 years and we will not have a very good midfield to compliment guys like walker, Jacobs, Talia and lever.

Two 1st rounders could be playing good footy within 3 years. We've just had our best mid taken. Our second best mid probably only has next season left in him. Douglas is A grade at his best but maybe only has 2 good years left. We know Sloane and Smith are guns. Crouch is very much an 'if' at the moment. All of our other mids are unlikely to ever be A grade.

That makes Sloane and Smith over the coming years as our only A grade midfielders that we know of for sure. If you look at all of the best teams over the last 10 years, hawthorn is really the only one with gun kpf's. They've also nailed their midfield and defence. Imo having an elite midfield and a strong defence is the key to a premiership. Forward lines can be makeshift or simply solid.

That's my opinion anyway.

Great post .....and i'd suggest that mid will definitely picked at 9 .......pick #13 is too far to really predict at this stage

Not too many great prospects after #15 ......so definitely best available at #13, whether that is tall or mid

 

[Sanguinarius]

Sure, Otten and Lowden could fill in.

However KPFs take 2-3 years to develop properly, so we'd need to pick one up in the next few years (ideally on the tall side) to replace Jenkins in 3-5 years time (and Walker in 4-6 years time).

This year there could be some great KPFs available at our pick, whereas next year that looks unlikely (going one early reports). I'd be perfectly happy if we picked one up this year.

As for Dear and Ramsey (our 'true' KPF replacements) we're talking about completely unproven late and rookie picks. Grabbing a KPF at Pick 9 or 13 has a much greater chance of success.

I don't want to be picky, but in the same post you say that kpf take 2-3 years, then complain that our current young kpf are unproven after 1 year.

So why not reassess our current young kpf after the 2-3 years you say they need?

If Dear and Ramsey turn out to be naff after that time, THEN we should draft more.
At least give them a chance before we turf them.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I agree with Vader in that I hope we prioritise midfielders. Either 2 or at least pick 9. If you look at our list demographic our best players will be peaking over the next 4 years and we will not have a very good midfield to compliment guys like walker, Jacobs, Talia and lever.

Two 1st rounders could be playing good footy within 3 years. We've just had our best mid taken. Our second best mid probably only has next season left in him. Douglas is A grade at his best but maybe only has 2 good years left. We know Sloane and Smith are guns. Crouch is very much an 'if' at the moment. All of our other mids are unlikely to ever be A grade.

That makes Sloane and Smith over the coming years as our only A grade midfielders that we know of for sure. If you look at all of the best teams over the last 10 years, hawthorn is really the only one with gun kpf's. They've also nailed their midfield and defence. Imo having an elite midfield and a strong defence is the key to a premiership. Forward lines can be makeshift or simply solid.

That's my opinion anyway.

Not sure I agree with the bolded part. The only reason why we didn't win more flags with the likes of Roo, Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards, Hart et al. was the lack of very good key forwards. We had elite backline, elite midfield and we managed to kick some big scores with Perrie and McGregor as the key forwards but when the pressure was on, and we needed a gun key forward to step up and break the game open, we were found wanting, and ultimately empty handed when it's all said and done!

Great post .....and i'd suggest that mid will definitely picked at 9 .......pick #13 is too far to really predict at this stage

Not too many great prospects after #15 ......so definitely best available at #13, whether that is tall or mid

Pick 9 will be best available, especially if there is a slider that is available there at 9.

 

[pjcrows]

9 McKay
13 Milera

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Great post .....and i'd suggest that mid will definitely picked at 9 .......pick #13 is too far to really predict at this stage

Not too many great prospects after #15 ......so definitely best available at #13, whether that is tall or mid

Hypothetically Milera and Oliver are gone at 9, who's the next best mid?