List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Wouldbetackler]

Not sure I agree with the bolded part. The only reason why we didn't win more flags with the likes of Roo, Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards, Hart et al. was the lack of very good key forwards. We had elite backline, elite midfield and we managed to kick some big scores with Perrie and McGregor as the key forwards but when the pressure was on, and we needed a gun key forward to step up and break the game open, we were found wanting, and ultimately empty handed when it's all said and done!


Pick 9 will be best available, especially if there is a slider that is available there at 9.

Pretty sure our FWD line is top 3 in the Comp with tex, Eddie, Jenkins (40 plus goals the last two years very underrated), lynch, Charlie and now Menzel as well, I agree we need to keep the depth and stocks up for years to come as well but you can get stung if you don't choose best available and address your needs for depth and development players in rookie draft

 

[Wouldbetackler]

Not sure I agree with the bolded part. The only reason why we didn't win more flags with the likes of Roo, Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards, Hart et al. was the lack of very good key forwards. We had elite backline, elite midfield and we managed to kick some big scores with Perrie and McGregor as the key forwards but when the pressure was on, and we needed a gun key forward to step up and break the game open, we were found wanting, and ultimately empty handed when it's all said and done!


Pick 9 will be best available, especially if there is a slider that is available there at 9.

Pretty sure our FWD line is top 3 in the Comp with tex, Eddie, Jenkins (40 plus goals the last two years very underrated), lynch, Charlie and now Menzel as well, I agree we need to keep the depth and stocks up for years to come as well but you can get stung if you don't choose best available and address your needs for depth and development players in rookie draft

 

[Alex99]

After reading a number of posts, I'm very sure a number of people have gone to the Terry Wallace school of drafting.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

After reading a number of posts, I'm very sure a number of people have gone to the Terry Wallace school of drafting.

Best in the business.

 

[Bicks]

I don't put a lot of weight on the Morrish Medal, Oliver was probably helped in winning it due to not playing in the carnival or having AIS commitments.

When you look at the last few winners.

2014 Alex Carr
2013 Jacob Chisari; Ben Cavarra; George Cameron; Josh Scott
2012 Nick Graham
2011 Alex Benbow
2010 Dyson Heppell; Jackson Sketcher
2009 Anton Woods
2008 Farran Priest; Jarryd Blair
2007 Matthew Kreuzer
2006 Fortunato Caruso
2005 Fortunato Caruso

Not exactly a long history of the TAC Cup B&F going on to have an impact at AFL level.

Absolutely, because the really promising kids have AIS duties often meaning overseas development/training during the season, not to mention some of the "college" kids also have to play school footy as part of the "curriculum" and most of the Vic kids play a couple of VFL games for their development often meaning they play only 6 or 8 TAC games in a season.......not of which occurred with Oliver.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Pretty sure our FWD line is top 3 in the Comp with tex, Eddie, Jenkins (40 plus goals the last two years very underrated), lynch, Charlie and now Menzel as well, I agree we need to keep the depth and stocks up for years to come as well but you can get stung if you don't choose best available and address your needs for depth and development players in rookie draft

Our forward line now is arguably the most potent it has ever been but we need to be replenishing otherwise there will be another shallow period in time to come. It wasn't that long ago that our leading goal kicker was lynch with 33 goals, 10 of which came in a single game against GWS who were easy beats at the time.

We need to keep replenishing the stocks and since this draft seems to have a lot of key forwards projected to go in the top 15, I would think it wouldn't be such a big stretch for us to target one. They take time to develop and best available is a relative term based on club needs. We traded down last year because we were targeting a key defender and there were projected to be a few in that area of the draft.

Chances are that either at 9 or 13, key forward will be the best available talent at the time or at least a line ball with another mid.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Will Wigg play AFL?

 

[Brentmeister]

Francis is a gun but I think Milera has a higher ceiling. Great decision maker, good speed and skills- has played great footy at senior level despite being a twig. Francis has dominated as he's twice as big as everyone else but that won't be the case next year.

 

[Vader]

Yes, but that's the point of drafting a KPF now instead of in 3 years time. They won't provide much coverage next season, but they could in 2017/18/19. Waiting to draft a KPF later means we have to wait longer for them to be ready to step up. Kpf isn't a must get this year but we'll need look at getting one soon, and certainly shouldn't be written off as off limits position.

And that's why we drafted 3 of them last year - Dear, McGovern and Ramsey.

We drafted 3 of them last year, which is why we drafting a KPF is not a priority in 2015.

It was lunacy who seemed to make the suggestion that we should be drafting a KPF in 2015 to give us "coverage" in 2016, not me.

 

[Alex99]

Will Wigg play AFL?

IMO....it's too early to tell. 50/50 at this stage.

 

[grundog49]

Will Wigg play AFL?

He found his feet at SANFL level this year. Might play late next year or early 2017.

 

[Alex99]

Did Francis play any league games for West Adelaide last season?

I hope he doesn't turn out to be a James Sellar mark 2.

 

[Bring back Bas]

I'd take Oliver before milera and ah chee before mathieson. If their logic is that we go one contested ball winner and one silky player, surely the better combination is Oliver and ah chee than milera and matheison?

I would prefer both Matheison over Oliver and Milera over Ah Chee. Oliver and Ah Chee might be the better athletes but Matheison and Milera sound like the more natural footballers from what I have read.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Honestly, if we're looking to draft Burton as a depth KPF before he takes over from Jenkins/Tex, we'll be disappointed. He's a medium forward. We already have depth there with the likes of Lynch, McGovern, Ramsey, maybe Otten, and even Hendo (if he hardens the **** up). We should be gunning for McKay if he's still there, who I really like (and I'd back in our development system to make him a Tippett/Tex rather than a Sellar). Don't get me wrong, I like Burton too, but is he a pressing need, when there are just as talented draftees (IMO) around the pace as well? I don't think so.

 

[Bicks]

Anyone know any good people to follow on Twitter for inside draft knowledge? I've currently got cal twomey, Emma Quayle and Brett Anderson but could always do with more!

https://twitter.com/AFL_Shifter

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

And that's why we drafted 3 of them last year - Dear, McGovern and Ramsey.

We drafted 3 of them last year, which is why we drafting a KPF is not a priority in 2015.

It was lunacy who seemed to make the suggestion that we should be drafting a KPF in 2015 to give us "coverage" in 2016, not me.

yes and hopefully they develop and become good players, however what are chances they all come on and perform well?
I don't have the official stats on the success rate of key forwards taken in the 3rd round or late, but I'm going take a wild guess and say it's not very high.

 

[ams4crows]

Im getting the Ebert v Dangerfield vibe from these Francis v Oliver discussion they'll be a revolt if Francis is still there at 9 and we pick Oliver instead....... but 4 years down the track we'll be how good is our recruiting team.

 

[Bicks]

Fox Sports top 25 draft prospects published today has us taking Milera and Mathieson.
Mathieson is an ordinary kick so not too sure I'm that keen, no doubt he can find the pill, but will need to improve his disposal IMO, and being a Geelong Falcon and being a very, very close mate of Darcy Parish the "go Home" factor is a bit of a worry.

If this draft goes the way Fox predict McKay, Francis, Burton and Weideman are gone before our pick.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...prospects-ranked/story-e6frf3e3-1227590794404

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Pick 9 will be best available, especially if there is a slider that is available there at 9.

Likely to be that Mid Stiffy .......unless Weideman slides

Would you take Weideman at #9 .......or would you take the Mid option .....in that situation needs does play a part in any clubs thought process

 

[dylan123]

I agree with Vader in that I hope we prioritise midfielders. Either 2 or at least pick 9. If you look at our list demographic our best players will be peaking over the next 4 years and we will not have a very good midfield to compliment guys like walker, Jacobs, Talia and lever.

Two 1st rounders could be playing good footy within 3 years. We've just had our best mid taken. Our second best mid probably only has next season left in him. Douglas is A grade at his best but maybe only has 2 good years left. We know Sloane and Smith are guns. Crouch is very much an 'if' at the moment. All of our other mids are unlikely to ever be A grade.

That makes Sloane and Smith over the coming years as our only A grade midfielders that we know of for sure. If you look at all of the best teams over the last 10 years, hawthorn is really the only one with gun kpf's. They've also nailed their midfield and defence. Imo having an elite midfield and a strong defence is the key to a premiership. Forward lines can be makeshift or simply solid.

That's my opinion anyway.

At least with that argument you're saying our priorities should be mids that are more likely to be AFL ready before the KP options. Compared to us not needing KP forwards/defenders/being happy with our 'depth' in those areas as Vader appears to be.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hypothetically Milera and Oliver are gone at 9, who's the next best mid?

Think we will get one of Curnow / Oliver / Milera / Burton / Hibberd / Bonner ........

Looking at numbers :
as long as Weideman stays in the top 10 ......we'll get one of the first 4

If Weideman stays top 10 and a Balic / Mathieson gets selected top 10 ....we'll get one of the first 3

If Mackay Bolts and Weideman stays top 10 & Balic / Matheison gets selected ......we'll get one of first 2

 

[StonesThrow]

Not sure I agree with the bolded part. The only reason why we didn't win more flags with the likes of Roo, Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards, Hart et al. was the lack of very good key forwards. We had elite backline, elite midfield and we managed to kick some big scores with Perrie and McGregor as the key forwards but when the pressure was on, and we needed a gun key forward to step up and break the game open, we were found wanting, and ultimately empty handed when it's all said and done!


Pick 9 will be best available, especially if there is a slider that is available there at 9.

Good point. I'd argue that we had next to no forward line in those years. Perrie was okay, Welsh okay. McGregor less so. No good small forward. No good medium forward.

In saying all this, if Francis is still there, I'd take him. He looks like he would dominate in multiple positions, similar to what Hurley can do.

Would then prioritise on a mid with foot skills and pace

 

[Carmo]

I agree with Vader in that I hope we prioritise midfielders. Either 2 or at least pick 9. If you look at our list demographic our best players will be peaking over the next 4 years and we will not have a very good midfield to compliment guys like walker, Jacobs, Talia and lever.

Two 1st rounders could be playing good footy within 3 years. We've just had our best mid taken. Our second best mid probably only has next season left in him. Douglas is A grade at his best but maybe only has 2 good years left. We know Sloane and Smith are guns. Crouch is very much an 'if' at the moment. All of our other mids are unlikely to ever be A grade.

That makes Sloane and Smith over the coming years as our only A grade midfielders that we know of for sure. If you look at all of the best teams over the last 10 years, hawthorn is really the only one with gun kpf's. They've also nailed their midfield and defence. Imo having an elite midfield and a strong defence is the key to a premiership. Forward lines can be makeshift or simply solid.

That's my opinion anyway.

I agree that at least one pick should be a fast mid with good skills.

But apart from that a lot of the above is speculation and the truth-according-to-bigfooty.

The truth according to bigfooty is that after 10 games our players never get any better. So none of CEY, Matt Crouch, Grigg, Charlie Cameron can ever get to A grade status, let alone B grade with time.

There is still some hope for Knight and Atkins, though its remote. Again, I emphasize this is according to BF. Not according to me. Personally I think Riley Knight shows every chance of being A grade. CEY and Matt Crouch have a fair chance too.

Seedsman, Gore and Wigg will never be A-grade. No A-graders ever come from their pick numbers and / or from players that have played as many games as these guys have but not been A-grade. (again T-A-T-BF) Personally, I think only Gore has a chance of being A grade out of this lot and not very hopeful of that (but should be solid C to B grader).

Anyway, long story short, pretty narrow view. Yer, admit we are a bit short of A grade, especially without B Crouch. That said, its not just your contest mids that are important, your wingers and hbf's are very important and when you consider, some of the guys we have in this role are already playing pretty well (Laird!) its not as bad as it looks.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Good point. I'd argue that we had next to no forward line in those years. Perrie was okay, Welsh okay. McGregor less so. No good small forward. No good medium forward.

In saying all this, if Francis is still there, I'd take him. He looks like he would dominate in multiple positions, similar to what Hurley can do.

Would then prioritise on a mid with foot skills and pace

Haven't we just covered this off during trade period ....assuming Brad Crouch is fit and Smith goes into the midfield

With Knight on a wing and Hampton / Seedsman on a HBF ......we can't say we're a slow side

What has been a strength ....inside mids ...in one trade period is now a need

But can i keep banging this drum .....our issue is not footspeed ..it's marking power around the ground

 

[grundog49]

Honestly, if we're looking to draft Burton as a depth KPF before he takes over from Jenkins/Tex, we'll be disappointed. He's a medium forward. We already have depth there with the likes of Lynch, McGovern, Ramsey, maybe Otten, and even Hendo (if he hardens the **** up). We should be gunning for McKay if he's still there, who I really like (and I'd back in our development system to make him a Tippett/Tex rather than a Sellar). Don't get me wrong, I like Burton too, but is he a pressing need, when there are just as talented draftees (IMO) around the pace as well? I don't think so.

The bolded part is true but you forget the fact that he has the presence of a Key Forward and demands the footy as such. Not many medium sizers do that.