List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Skippos]

He's stacked on 11kg of muscle in under a year as a 17 year old and is now 6'3-6'4 and 90kg+, with his frame it's not hard to see him putting on another 5-10kg of muscle which would put him at a similar size and height to Tex. I guess it depends on whether the club believes he has the attributes to play as a true key forward as to whether he's worth the investment, but with Podsiadly now retired there's a gap in our depth chart and for me it's a concern that we really don't have an obvious A grade talent coming through who could fill the void if Tex or Jenkins went down for an extended period. If our recruiting team look at him and see what you see (a 3rd tall) then you'd think they'll pass on him.

When I look at our list I view our needs as midfield, key position forward, key position defender in that order, but in the unlikely scenario that Francis is still available at pick 9 it's difficult to see us passing on him. Assuming he's off the table by then, then I like the look of Burton to fill one of those needs. The other factor in his favour are these reports that he might also be able to be able to push into midfield, I've not seen enough of him to know for sure whether there's any substance to these claims (Skippos?) but if he does have that string to his bow then given the wraps on his talent you'd think it becomes a no brainer to pick him up if he's available.

Having said that, given their stellar record of identifying talent I'll happily defer to Ogilvie and Noble and I'm sure we'll all be happy with whoever they pick, no doubt we'll be welcoming another pair of A-graders to the side from our 2 picks this year!

Burton to me has more scope to be a midfielder than a 'power' forward. That said, I suspect he's neither and instead plays a Gunston role. He's someone who probably could be a midfielder but it'd be a waste as he's better forward.

Skippos?

IMs (open draft)

1. Mathieson
2. Oliver
3. Clarke

KPDs
1. Weitering
2. Collins
3. Ben McKay

 

[Bazil838]

I would rookie list Brad Hartman, was delisted during the year by Geelong, SA boy massive talent, made a few mistakes, was as good as Wingard as a kid, state basketball background, worth a second chance, Great player for Sturt before Geelong drafted him, don't think he handled away from home.

Also no one rates Snelling - 15 SANFL league games as a kid, not many juniors done that, Mickan rates him, Premiership player, U18 Captain in a good SA side, All Australian, I think he's gone under the radar.

The more I look at Snelling the more I like him and he's local, quote from winning U18 Grand Final in 2014 as a bottom age. "with the impressive stat line of 33 disposals, 14 tackles, nine clearances, five inside 50s and six rebound 50s" - 14 tackles !!!

 

[Mismatched]

Do you really think so ......gee i find Chris's Phantom draft is never close at all ?

Paige IMO has been pretty good ....her drafts don't end up morphing to what everyone says

I'll admit though this year she has too many things going to be on top of it .....i'm mainly talking last few years

I think he's worth the read. Has a slightly different take on players ad knows the SA/WA boys a little better than most. I think he tends to go by what he thinks a lot more than where he thinks clubs will pick players. Rated CEY as a 1st round talent if he got it right between the ears, which is probably not wrong.

Paige I find only focuses on the positives of each player and thus you get a feel for what each players ceiling kind of is, but she struggles to identify weaknesses, so every player sounds like a #1 pick.

Quayle is very good with the inside knowledge and profiling of players, but I'm not sure she's the best judge of talent out there.

I find its best to have a read of what they all have to say and try and synthesise it in your own mind and you can get a fair idea of the prospect. Obviously nothing beats actually watching them yourselves. At the at the end of the day, just have to trust in Ogilvy and his team.

 

[Magma]

The more I look at Snelling the more I like him and he's local, quote from winning U18 Grand Final in 2014 as a bottom age. "with the impressive stat line of 33 disposals, 14 tackles, nine clearances, five inside 50s and six rebound 50s" - 14 tackles !!!

i've been trying. he's a super little player and if he goes where predicted (the 30's) then someone has the steal of the draft

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But what do you disagree with? That he's not quick? Ran a 3.15 in the 20m sprint. That's pretty slow. That he's not a good kick? Doubt you'll find anyone that says otherwise. And that interview is there for everyone to see.

I'm not saying he won't turn out to be a good player, could well be, who knows. But he doesn't remotely fit the profile of what our club needs right now.

And because of all those bad traits you talk of, Curnow will go top 5 ......footballers not athletes please

 

[conVINCEd]

Is Curnow a 'footballer' though if his kicking isn't great?

Im keen on Oliver and Burton: would be a shame to let the Hawks snaffle Burton and watch him become a superstar.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Is Curnow a 'footballer' though if his kicking isn't great?

Im keen on Oliver and Burton: would be a shame to let the Hawks snaffle Burton and watch him become a superstar.

Surely our decision on burton comes purely down to whether his leg will last the distance.

Reviews have him as a supreme talent.

Just remember Nathan brown wasn't half the footballer he was pre-break.

 

[grundog49]

i've been trying. he's a super little player and if he goes where predicted (the 30's) then someone has the steal of the draft

West Adelaides answer to Luke Dunstan

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Surely our decision on burton comes purely down to whether his leg will last the distance.

Reviews have him as a supreme talent.

Just remember Nathan brown wasn't half the footballer he was pre-break.

IMO this is the only reason we wouldn't take Burton

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Is Curnow a 'footballer' though if his kicking isn't great?

Im keen on Oliver and Burton: would be a shame to let the Hawks snaffle Burton and watch him become a superstar.

Got to be careful listening to some posters ? .....spreads rumors
Combine Kicking test

Mitchell Hibberd - 24 (out of a possible 30)
Nick Coughlan - 23
Darcy MacPherson - 22
Thomas Glen - 22
Matthew Allen - 22
Jade Gresham - 21
Nick O'Kearney - 21
Rhys Mathieson - 21
Declan Mountford - 21
Jordan Snadden - 21
Ben McKay - 21
Charlie Curnow - 21

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Burton to me has more scope to be a midfielder than a 'power' forward. That said, I suspect he's neither and instead plays a Gunston role. He's someone who probably could be a midfielder but it'd be a waste as he's better forward.

Yeah Burton reminds of Gunston ......and a lesser degree, Burton

 

[Danger in Texas]

Got to be careful listening to some posters ? .....spreads rumors
Combine Kicking test

Mitchell Hibberd - 24 (out of a possible 30)
Nick Coughlan - 23
Darcy MacPherson - 22
Thomas Glen - 22
Matthew Allen - 22
Jade Gresham - 21
Nick O'Kearney - 21
Rhys Mathieson - 21
Declan Mountford - 21
Jordan Snadden - 21
Ben McKay - 21
Charlie Curnow - 21

Another reason to get Hibberd - very accurate and penetrating kick. Would be a lovely addition to our non-efficient side.

 

[Bicks]

Recruiters have a very good idea who the better kicks are purely judging on what they have seen of the players under MATCH CONDITIONS after tracking them for at least 2 seasons. Do people actually understand what the Nathan Buckley kicking test involves?? Wouldn't put to much emphasis on it once you see it in practice. This might help understand it.

http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/skill-kicking-efficiency.htm

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Another reason to get Hibberd - very accurate and penetrating kick. Would be a lovely addition to our non-efficient side.

Will be amazed if we get Hibberd ......so many Highlight video packages of players lack any Highlights?

Hibberd is one who is very Vanilla .....see if iam wrong?

 

[Elite Crow]

Recruiters have a very good idea who the better kicks are purely judging on what they have seen of the players under MATCH CONDITIONS after tracking them for at least 2 seasons. Do people actually understand what the Nathan Buckley kicking test involves?? Wouldn't put to much emphasis on it once you see it in practice. This might help understand it.

http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/skill-kicking-efficiency.htm

Is the kicking test what they showed on the fox footy draft show? His kicking looked very ordinary, missed targets and the ones that did get to the targets weren't on the chest

 

[johnnypanther]

Will be amazed if we get Hibberd ......so many Highlight video packages of players lack any Highlights?

Hibberd is one who is very Vanilla .....see if iam wrong?

Hmmmm based purely on that, i'ld take him with our pick 13 ...... in the rookie draft

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hmmmm based purely on that, i'ld take him with our pick 13 ...... in the rookie draft

IMO nothing standout there .....and if they're the highlights

Remember seeing Dangerfields highlights and saying WOW

 

[Bicks]

Is the kicking test what they showed on the fox footy draft show? His kicking looked very ordinary, missed targets and the ones that did get to the targets weren't on the chest

IMO the kicking test [efficiency] at the Combine is a "wankfest" basically set up as a PR exercise by the AFL based on a sample size of 6 kicks in an enclosed area using basically cones/stationary players as targets.

Personally I think the only tests for reference at the combine are the "athletic" tests to gauge the players, speed, agility, stamina, leap etc and the one on one interviews with the recruiters to gauge the players character etc.

Tracking potential draftees under match conditions for several seasons prior to the draft>>>>>>>>way more important than Combine results IMO.

 

[StonesThrow]

Francis looks like a beast.

 

[Gets!]

The way Francis talks you know he will be an absolute star. Slide to 9 please

 

[huludicidal]

I think Essendon take Francis and a key forward. They need a third tall defender, and there will be good mids early in the second round, when they have two more picks.

Possibly, but with Jobe and Stanton nearing the end, their midfield lacks anything resembling class outside of Heppell (and perhaps Zac Merrett). I think they absolutely take one mid (Parish a certainty if available, but assuming Melbourne grab him at 3 the Bombers may like Curnow to be a tall mid, or Mathieson to be that contested ball beast), and their other pick will either be Weideman, Francis, or a 2nd mid.

The thing with Essendon is that they have needs in pretty much every area of the ground. I'd suggest defence is the least pressing of all their needs which is why Francis may not fit into their plans.

 

[SES SA]

I guess Burton could be an option, now that I think about it - as long as we don't draft Francis/McKay as well. We really need to stock up on potential good mids now that Traitorfield is gone.

Still really want Hibberd, though.

Do you not think Burton can become a bigger bodied midfielder? Fyfe sized. He seems to.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Recruiters have a very good idea who the better kicks are purely judging on what they have seen of the players under MATCH CONDITIONS after tracking them for at least 2 seasons. Do people actually understand what the Nathan Buckley kicking test involves?? Wouldn't put to much emphasis on it once you see it in practice. This might help understand it.

http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/skill-kicking-efficiency.htm

Hahaha. They do 6 kicks? Is that even statistically significant? Surely they need to do atleast 30 each.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Will be amazed if we get Hibberd ......so many Highlight video packages of players lack any Highlights?

Hibberd is one who is very Vanilla .....see if iam wrong?

Do not want.

 

[Captain Furious]

And because of all those bad traits you talk of, Curnow will go top 5 ......footballers not athletes please

You really do struggle to get the point in discussions, don't you.