List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Pretty sound reasoning for the most part. Apart from McKay and Collins though, who do you see as genuine key position available?

Weideman the other one, Burton probably not key position at AFL level.

 

[Flip Side]

Weideman the other one, Burton probably not key position at AFL level.

I am assuming weideman will be long gone

 

[Mismatched]

Ogilvie has the same philosophy as Rendel when picking kids at the draft. You take the best available with your first pick and pick by needs with second and third round picks. I wonder if that rule still applies when you have two first round picks. When you pick for needs you get Pittard instead of Fyfe, you get Toumpas instead of Wines.

I hope we ignore needs and get the two best kids available.

I think you'll find "best available" also included a component of need. More so "best available from the AFC perspective" as opposed to pure "best available". Fred Bloggs could be the best available, but if you don't think he will succeed in your environment, don't pick him, pick his brother Joe who may be slightly less talented but far more likely to flourish in your environment.

As examples, Rendell felt Rioli was the most talented player he'd ever seen, or something along those lines, felt he was a massive flight risk and wouldn't do well away from Melbourne, so he wasn't considered "best available". Dangerfield was likely a greater flight risk than Ebert, but would still flourish and had far greater talent hence was felt to be best available. The other was when asked who he'd take at #1 in the '08 draft, his comment was along the lines of "if I were a WA side Naitanui, any other it'd be Watts".

It's not so easy to differentiate these high level talents on ability alone, so often things like club needs, state of origin, maturity/leadership etc would be used to help separate them to give you a list that incorporates everything so that all these factors are taken into account. What would then happen is early in the draft you'd go straight from your list, that factors in needs but not specifically picks for them, but later you might ignore your list and go for your next best ruck because that is what you really need and haven't yet addressed.

 

[skittlebrew]

Is Milera genuine mid material? Its just that we don't exactly have any immediate vacancies/needs up forward at the moment. Obviously his pace would come in handy as its something we certainly lack and is a trait that's hard to come by.
Seems like the sort of player that would get homesick easily, maybe pick him up a few years later for a steal?
Surely we would be going for a tall defender with at least one of our first two picks, or do they envisage a future for Hartigan?

 

[Bicks]

Pretty sound reasoning for the most part. Apart from McKay and Collins though, who do you see as genuine key position available?

If this kid [Callum Moore] can tidy up his goal kicking he's a genuine 1st round talent.....supremely athletic and an amazing high mark..

 

[Scorpus]

I am assuming weideman will be long gone

It looks like Weideman will go to Melbourne or Essendon in one of their two sub-10 picks

 

[Flip Side]

If this kid [Callum Moore] can tidy up his goal kicking he's a genuine 1st round talent.....supremely athletic and an amazing high mark..

Bicks it might be a tad late for that now, kicking is a fundamental. left field suggestion anyways

 

[SES SA]

Ogilvie has the same philosophy as Rendel when picking kids at the draft. You take the best available with your first pick and pick by needs with second and third round picks. I wonder if that rule still applies when you have two first round picks. When you pick for needs you get Pittard instead of Fyfe, you get Toumpas instead of Wines.

I hope we ignore needs and get the two best kids available.

I remember Portland drafted for need rather than talent once. They got Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Ogilvie has the same philosophy as Rendel when picking kids at the draft. You take the best available with your first pick and pick by needs with second and third round picks. I wonder if that rule still applies when you have two first round picks. When you pick for needs you get Pittard instead of Fyfe, you get Toumpas instead of Wines.

I hope we ignore needs and get the two best kids available.

I'd say they pick by need when the depth runs out and picks become speculative rather than nominating certain picks as a rule.

Wigg's type wasn't high on the need list last year I wouldn't have thought. Yes, he's a left footer with skills but that's an attribute more than what list hole he'd fill. Harry Dear was needs based. McGovern?

We do pretty well in the rookie draft for need. ROB last year. Kelly, Cameron year before. Hartigan year before that. We tried to fill the need for a line breaker last year with Wilson. Didn't work unfortunately but we traded well this year to cover that.

We still need key defense depth, perhaps Hartley if he's available. Also key forward depth is a bit light on. Depends who is best available at our picks as to what holes we're left with I suppose.

I have a funny feeling we'll take Burton. He's that "would've went top 5 if he wasn't injured" player we seem to like. That is providing our docs give the all clear. I think injuries in youth have much less (if any) effect long term than when the body is established. I'm just making shit up but it sounds good.

 

[Hodgy]

I don't know how much stock people put in Noble quotes reported by our favourite chief but here you go.

“There’s a couple of needs to address — now we see if we can do that through the draft,” Noble said. “Now we have our midfielders and runners, we now look at the talls and the rucks.

I'd put it in the same basket as a 2nd interview and the question "would you move to Adelaide".

I still think it will be a med-tall/tall and a mid combo. I can't see the AFC taking a ruck unless it is a rookie.

Did he really say that? We lose Danger, Wright, Kerridge and Martin and bring in 1 midfielder in Gore and he thinks we have our midfielders sorted? Hope he was taking the urine.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Will we take two medium-tall defenders in the first round?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Will we take two medium-tall defenders in the first round?

.....not a chance

 

[whattagun07]

ill be disappointed with anything other than a mid - fwd duo with 9 and 13

 

[lunacy]

Will we take two medium-tall defenders in the first round?

Who are the 2 medium-tall defenders you're referring to?

 

[rezagun]

Pretty sound reasoning for the most part. Apart from McKay and Collins though, who do you see as genuine key position available?

Curnow and burton are 190cm+, 90 kg+. These boys will end up being more like walker less like fyfe imo. Genuine forwards if one of them is there at 9 we need to jump at it imo. Both will fill out to be kpf and both are mobile enough to run up the ground. Someone will get pushed up the order like lever did last year.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

You just have to draft for talent in the first round. If that means in a couple of years someone like burton pushes lynch out of the side, so be it.

 

[Mismatched]

Did he really say that? We lose Danger, Wright, Kerridge and Martin and bring in 1 midfielder in Gore and he thinks we have our midfielders sorted? Hope he was taking the urine.

If you're calling Martin and Wright midfielders you might as well call Hampton, Seedsman and Menzel midfielders, so I don't think you're point holds. Martin was a flanker/winger and Wright hasn't played more than snippets in the midfield since 2012, playing forward pocket/flank. Hampton and Seedsman are winger/flankers, Menzel is a medium forward with midfield potential. All I see us doing is correcting our over supply of slow, small and poorly skilled mid types.

You'll note we've also lost Podsiadly, Siggins and Osborn, 2 genuine key position types and a KPF/Ruck, you don't think we should be replacing them?

 

[baldandbroke]

Just watched the video on Partington ...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...-partington-overcame-adversity-to-star-for-sa

He moves a bit like Sam Mitchell in my mind ... are we even contemplating him or is he too far down the list?

 

[grundog49]

Just watched the video on Partington ...

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...-partington-overcame-adversity-to-star-for-sa

He moves a bit like Sam Mitchell in my mind ... are we even contemplating him or is he too far down the list?

More like a pre GWS Griffin type than a Mitchell.

 

[Deaneus!]

Will we take two medium-tall defenders in the first round?

You are such a troll it's amazing you don't get called on it more often.

You just have to draft for talent in the first round. If that means in a couple of years someone like burton pushes lynch out of the side, so be it.

I love Lynch, but this is exactly right. This is how clubs get high draft picks - when really good players get pushed out, they go to other clubs for high picks, and it's the next evolutionary step in our list management, turning over players who aren't quite there but have currency to strengthen the squad.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I listened to the Road to the Draft podcast and Cal where they went through the club picks and their needs and then identified a list of players that the teams would be looking at with those picks.

Cal again stated that he thinks the way things are looking to pan out at the moment that Francis could be there at pick 9 for us and we would take him (obviously). He thinks the biggest threats to us are Essendon at 4 or 5 and Carlton at 8. Doesn't see Melbourne going after him and think that Essendon are likely to go for forwards (tall) with their picks and would look at Milera if Parish is picked by Melbourne at 3.

I hope he is right and Francis is there for the taking at pick 9. The kid will be a star and could play anywhere.

 

[grundog49]

I listened to the Road to the Draft podcast and Cal where they went through the club picks and their needs and then identified a list of players that the teams would be looking at with those picks.

Cal again stated that he thinks the way things are looking to pan out at the moment that Francis could be there at pick 9 for us and we would take him (obviously). He thinks the biggest threats to us are Essendon at 4 or 5 and Carlton at 8. Doesn't see Melbourne going after him and think that Essendon are likely to go for forwards (tall) with their picks and would look at Milera if Parish is picked by Melbourne at 3.

I hope he is right and Francis is there for the taking at pick 9. The kid will be a star and could play anywhere.

Best SA talent since scharenberg

 

[Danger in Texas]

IMO if we do draft Burton, he won't push anyone out. Our forward line actually works perfectly as it is - Tex and JJ as those two KPFs who offer different things, Betts and Cameron as your crumbers, Menzel as your livewire medium forward and Lynch as your linkman, sometimes goalkicking 3rd tall. Could Burton play the same role as Lynch? From what I've heard, I don't think so. If we do draft Burton, we'll plan to either play one off the bench, or develop Menzel into a wingman (which puts the team balance out of whack).

 

[Bring back Bas]

Would definitely take Francis before parish , otherwise not bad

I just think that Parish would be such a perfect fit for our list at the moment. Most of our outside players play really wide of the contest (Smith, Henderson, Seedsman) having another top end talent in the Douglas mould would complement our midfield perfectly I think.

I will back your judgement on this however, as I know you have a very good understanding of where these kids sit. It doesn't matter a whole lot though as Parish has about a 1% chance of getting to us. I think we could be a legitimate chance of getting Francis at 9 though. For me it all depends on what happens at picks 5 and 6. I think those two picks will shape the whole first round.

 

[Stiffy_18]

IMO if we do draft Burton, he won't push anyone out. Our forward line actually works perfectly as it is - Tex and JJ as those two KPFs who offer different things, Betts and Cameron as your crumbers, Menzel as your livewire medium forward and Lynch as your linkman, sometimes goalkicking 3rd tall. Could Burton play the same role as Lynch? From what I've heard, I don't think so. If we do draft Burton, we'll plan to either play one off the bench, or develop Menzel into a wingman (which puts the team balance out of whack).

Can Burton be developed into a midfielder? It's something that he is aiming for (ala Fyfe). If we do take a punt on him at 13, I would try and develop him into a midfielder who can play forward. If he can do that he would be a very difficult match up just like Fyfe.