List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Bacon8]

With the large amount of academy players being rated so highly (top 20) in this year's draft, what are the chances that we will be calling an academy player's name with one of our first two picks?

Now that there is live bidding available and the strong possibility that at either pick 9 or pick 13 the best available player to select will be an academy player, it occurred to me that we might be calling one of these academy player's names. That will mean the team associated with the academy will need to either put their draft picks/points up to get their academy player or lose him to us. It seems to me to be a very likely scenario and then there's the possibility we might even call a second academy player's name after losing the first one. This is how it might go down for us at the draft before we actually call a player's name that we can keep.

This might not be the best move, either, because calling other player's names before the eventual player might give an indication that we didn't rate the eventual player we draft that highly, but I'm fairly certain that won't be a big enough factor to stop them from doing as such.

I have no doubt Christian Petracca doesn't give two hoots that Melbourne bid pick 2 on Heeney before the draft last year.

I bet Riley Knight wouldn't even remember that Adelaide bid on Jonathon Freeman with the pick he was drafted with.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Has a great YouTube video

All the attributes we need then

 

[Red mist]

So we are still looking at Bonner for 13. If Hawks get him I'll spew.

 

[dylan123]

removing the sub rule does NOT bring back the second ruckman in the game because the number of rotations have decreased significantly. Teams will not be playing 2 full time ruckman. The back up must be able to play as a key forward. The game has changed and it will continue to change.

Agree 100% in terms of clubs not bringing in a second ruckman due to the 4th man on the bench, they'll go for more running with the cap.

Back in the mid-early 2000's interchanges were less then 80 odd if I recall correctly, but the style of game has changed plenty since, can't hide a 2nd ruckman on the bench for such long periods of time.

 

[Bacon8]

Just 2 spots to draft for, confirmed.

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2015-10-30/crows-confirm-list-changes

 

[Bicks]

Thought he would be great but didn't realise it was a navicular. Can be career ending, probably give him an SANFL season to see if he can get back.

Looks like it's still a problem going on his VFL stats and comments.

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/119984/Cameron-GILES

 

[Pugsley]

Everything is just opinion obviously but as far as Key backs I would not trade anyone of Talia, Lever or Hartigan for Lake or Frawley. Hey they both had great games in the grand final but that was surely largely to do with how West Coasts midfield was slaughtered and most times I watch Frawley I think vanilla. I don't understand the negativity about Hartigan at all. He is big, fast, fairly agile and is rapidly improving in how he contests and reads the play. Considering how little he has played at the top level I think he is a fantastic player for us going forward. It feels like it is just a group mentality thing when people put him down. I'm pretty sure that if we put him up for trade we would get lots of buyers.
As for Thommo and Sloane, I love them both but I think there are some things people overlook because they give so much and are the heart and soul of the team. Thommo simply burns the ball too much to ever be considered elite. He is old school and will win every contest but the game against Hawthorn clearly showed it, he just can't hit targets and he lack of pace hurts us hugely when there is a turnover. Sloane is every coaches dream, there is no doubt about it, but for me to be genuine A grade you need to regularly be the guy who is the difference between your team winning and losing and I don't feel that he does that, he just simply doesn't have the weapons. Brodie Smith I was so excited about this year, moving into the midfield, but he just looked lost when they tried it and he really only started looking anywhere near his old self when they moved him back. I know the concussions didn't help but unfortunately I just don't think he will be a midfielder (hope I'm wrong). And finally Dougy. Well he's been my favourite player since I saw him playing for the bays 10 years ago but his year this year was pretty poor I think everyone would have to admit that. He had no effect in those finals and most times he went missing for large parts of the game and I honestly don't think we should expect huge things from him next year.
I'm not having a go at our players by the way but I just honestly feel that if we want to compete with Hawthorn next year we need to have a better midfield, not better talls.

Thanks. Your insight is valued.

 

[rezagun]

So we are still looking at Bonner for 13. If Hawks get him I'll spew.

I think bonner as much as he is a great kick is not going to be at west lakes next year mate. Before our trade period i wouldve said hes a good chance. But having gained seedsman and hampton. Plus having jaensch and wigg he is almost excess to our needs atm.( I saw a comment on this thread the other day though that stated you dont select on needs just select the best player.) Agree with the hawthorn thing though. Another great left footed field kick for them.

 

[rezagun]

So we are still looking at Bonner for 13. If Hawks get him I'll spew.

I think bonner will end going in the 15-30 range. Wel go for a kpf and a mid imo. Id love for us to get francis and milera. Doubt it will happen.

 

[Red mist]

I think bonner will end going in the 15-30 range. Wel go for a kpf and a mid imo. Id love for us to get francis and milera. Doubt it will happen.

I think we will go as you mention with SA lads. Be surprised if we go interstate this draft.

 

[earlsta]

We need to get into Francis & Milera's ear about staying home and interviewing shit at other clubs.

 

[6BTS]

Gold Coast have delisted Daniel Gorringe. 23 years old ruckman, played 22 games, very good athlete for his size, football ability questionable. Rookie draft him?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Everything is just opinion obviously but as far as Key backs I would not trade anyone of Talia, Lever or Hartigan for Lake or Frawley. Hey they both had great games in the grand final but that was surely largely to do with how West Coasts midfield was slaughtered and most times I watch Frawley I think vanilla. I don't understand the negativity about Hartigan at all. He is big, fast, fairly agile and is rapidly improving in how he contests and reads the play. Considering how little he has played at the top level I think he is a fantastic player for us going forward. It feels like it is just a group mentality thing when people put him down. I'm pretty sure that if we put him up for trade we would get lots of buyers.
As for Thommo and Sloane, I love them both but I think there are some things people overlook because they give so much and are the heart and soul of the team. Thommo simply burns the ball too much to ever be considered elite. He is old school and will win every contest but the game against Hawthorn clearly showed it, he just can't hit targets and he lack of pace hurts us hugely when there is a turnover. Sloane is every coaches dream, there is no doubt about it, but for me to be genuine A grade you need to regularly be the guy who is the difference between your team winning and losing and I don't feel that he does that, he just simply doesn't have the weapons. Brodie Smith I was so excited about this year, moving into the midfield, but he just looked lost when they tried it and he really only started looking anywhere near his old self when they moved him back. I know the concussions didn't help but unfortunately I just don't think he will be a midfielder (hope I'm wrong). And finally Dougy. Well he's been my favourite player since I saw him playing for the bays 10 years ago but his year this year was pretty poor I think everyone would have to admit that. He had no effect in those finals and most times he went missing for large parts of the game and I honestly don't think we should expect huge things from him next year.
I'm not having a go at our players by the way but I just honestly feel that if we want to compete with Hawthorn next year we need to have a better midfield, not better talls.

What the?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Gold Coast have delisted Daniel Gorringe. 23 years old ruckman, played 22 games, very good athlete for his size, football ability questionable. Rookie draft him?

NO

 

[earlsta]

Gold Coast have delisted Daniel Gorringe. 23 years old ruckman, played 22 games, very good athlete for his size, football ability questionable. Rookie draft him?

Shit attitude, hell no.
**** him.

 

[6BTS]

I think bonner will end going in the 15-30 range. Wel go for a kpf and a mid imo. Id love for us to get francis and milera. Doubt it will happen.

I reckon Ryan Burton is a kid we should strongly consider getting. He's another one of these guys who is coming off a serious injury, but has unquestionable talent. I know having too many ex severely injured players on the list can seem risky, but this kid suffered a freak injury due to circumstance, it wasn't an innocuous incident which caused it and he didn't suffer ligament damage. I believe he'll make a full recovery, he showed encouraging signs at the combine despite little preparation and I'm really keen to see our club draft guys with real talent including their skills. I think we have a lot of guys on our list that have the right frame, the right athletic abilities and the right endurance, but are not the greatest with skills, execution under pressure or decision making. From what I've read (Never seen the kid play) he should be capable of skills under pressure, correct decision making and is talented enough to do damage on his own and make his own impact on a game.

 

[earlsta]

I reckon Ryan Burton is a kid we should strongly consider getting. He's another one of these guys who is coming off a serious injury, but has unquestionable talent. I know having too many ex severely injured players on the list can seem risky, but this kid suffered a freak injury due to circumstance, it wasn't an innocuous incident which caused it and he didn't suffer ligament damage. I believe he'll make a full recovery, he showed encouraging signs at the combine despite little preparation and I'm really keen to see our club draft guys with real talent including their skills. I think we have a lot of guys on our list that have the right frame, the right athletic abilities and the right endurance, but are not the greatest with skills, execution under pressure or decision making. From what I've read (Never seen the kid play) he should be capable of skills under pressure, correct decision making and is talented enough to do damage on his own and make his own impact on a game.

Could we see this in our team in 2017?

Burton & Jarman as 15, 16 year olds.

 

[6BTS]

Could we see this in our team in 2017?

Burton & Jarman as 15, 16 year olds.

Do we know how Ben is coming along? I would find it some what difficult to be the son of Darren Jarman and have a tonne of hopes and expectations me.

 

[Pugsley]

Gold Coast have delisted Daniel Gorringe. 23 years old ruckman, played 22 games, very good athlete for his size, football ability questionable. Rookie draft him?

No thanks.

 

[earlsta]

Do we know how Ben is coming along? I would find it some what difficult to be the son of Darren Jarman and have a tonne of hopes and expectations me.

Not sure, haven't seen him play but he'll be in the under 18s next season, apparently has some pretty good damn skills as well.

 

[6BTS]

Not sure, haven't seen him play but he'll be in the under 18s next season, apparently has some pretty good damn skills as well.

Fingers crossed. It will be interesting to see what we do. He'll be eligible for next year's draft which we don't have a 2nd round pick in. Hopefully he's good enough, he picks Adelaide over Hawthorn and we can manoeuvre to get him without breaking the bank or compromising our 2016 draft.

 

[rezagun]

I reckon Ryan Burton is a kid we should strongly consider getting. He's another one of these guys who is coming off a serious injury, but has unquestionable talent. I know having too many ex severely injured players on the list can seem risky, but this kid suffered a freak injury due to circumstance, it wasn't an innocuous incident which caused it and he didn't suffer ligament damage. I believe he'll make a full recovery, he showed encouraging signs at the combine despite little preparation and I'm really keen to see our club draft guys with real talent including their skills. I think we have a lot of guys on our list that have the right frame, the right athletic abilities and the right endurance, but are not the greatest with skills, execution under pressure or decision making. From what I've read (Never seen the kid play) he should be capable of skills under pressure, correct decision making and is talented enough to do damage on his own and make his own impact on a game.

Yep agree with this. I see francis going to essendon or melbourne unfortunately and milera maybe gone aswell. Next on the list would be burton. We found out this year lever will be a player and i cant believe clubs overlooked him because of his knee injury. Burton could be anything and his touting as top 3 player in this years crop before his leg injury shouldnt be overlooked. Im hoping he gets to us and we pick him.

 

[Crowfoot]

 

[Pugsley]

We don't have hitlists. That's for the Broadmeadows folk. We have wishlists.

 

[HARKER]

Carlton may be pretty keen on McKay but maybe not quite #8 keen.

There may be some interesting dynamic to come about at around our selections.