List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[rezagun]

What that video shows me is .....a player devoid of any "x" factor ....no hurt factor with his disposal ....and a player who panic's under pressure

So show me something which shows these highlights to be a complete anomaly ? .......this is not how he plays?

Yeh its a pass for me. Hopefully carltontake him at 8 and give us another option

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I've said this b4 ...but all our draft picks profiles have read well as far as weaknesses

I look more for players weaknesses in profiles .....not neccessarily their strengths ......then i look with my own eyes at full game vision to confirm or reject the profile assessment

QUOTE: Skippos Phantom Draft
9. Rhys Mathieson - Vic Country (185 cm, 79 kg inside midfielder)
Style/Comparison: Jordan Lewis

Rhys Mathieson is a natural footballer - someone who is not perhaps as smooth or athletic as most in the top end of the draft but makes up for that in smarts and courage. He is the kind of player that while he won't go top five because he is in the lower half for athleticism and has a mediocre kick, you can be sure that he's going to make the grade and play a lot of AFL football. He reminds me a lot of Jordan Lewis. He is not someone who is the prototypical wide framed and big bodied inside mid and doesn't win his own ball through pure strength, but through a natural read of the ruckman's tap combined with smart ground level play and decision making in congestion. He has got a natural feel for the inside that you cannot teach. Not only that, but he is a ferocious footballer and the first to put his head over the ball and attack it at full speed, pushing through anyone in his path. This translates to every part of his game - which is full of energy. At ground level he is clean and he distributes by hand well. He is a high level accumulator who while an inside midfielder is capable of linking up outside. There are two primary knocks on him - athleticism and kicking. As an athlete he is relatively slow without much agility or a good leap, however despite lacking agility he still moves well in traffic as he is very aware of his surroundings. By foot he is inconsistent and lacking creativity, often taking the safe option and rarely breaking open the game by foot. Despite that, his sheer will to win the ball and dominance inside should set him up for a high quality, albeit scrappy, career

Sounds like Lyons .......that's a good pick at 9 ...replacement for Dangerfield

 

[TheVelourFog]

What that video shows me is .....a player devoid of any "x" factor ....no hurt factor with his disposal ....and a player who panic's under pressure

So show me something which shows these highlights to be a complete anomaly ? .......this is not how he plays?

Well if I was looking to draft an inside mid I wouldn't be looking for "x" factor. I mean I understand that everyone has players that they want to draft and players they want to stay away from. But there are clearly good judges of young talent who rate him highly ao he mustn't be too bad.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeh its a pass for me. Hopefully carltontake him at 8 and give us another option

What gets me is that Skippos just picked Mathieson for #9 in the BF Phantom Draft ......obviously his studies have de-focussed him

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Sounds like Lyons .......that's a good pick at 9 ...replacement for Dangerfield

Sounds like Jordan Lewis

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Well if I was looking to draft an inside mid I wouldn't be looking for "x" factor. I mean I understand that everyone has players that they want to draft and players they want to stay away from. But there are clearly good judges of young talent who rate him highly ao he mustn't be too bad.

Who are the good judges ? .....same ones who rated Watts #1

Same judges that end up selecting :
Plowman at #3
Toumpas at #4
Coniglio at #2
Buntine at #5
Conca at #6

I could go on and on with all the good judges calls .......but when i read of so many faults ina plyers game and nothing special .....i say What The ????

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Sounds like Jordan Lewis

Nothing like

 

[headache1]

Who are the good judges ? .....same ones who rated Watts #1

Same judges that end up selecting :
Plowman at #3
Toumpas at #4
Coniglio at #2
Buntine at #5
Conca at #6

I could go on and on with all the good judges calls .......but when i read of so many faults ina plyers game and nothing special .....i say What The ????

Probably the ones who get paid by professional football clubs to watch and rate these kids, and not the people who watch 3 minute video packages on YouTube and comment about them on the internet.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Probably the ones who get paid by professional football clubs to watch and rate these kids, and not the people who watch 3 minute video packages on YouTube and comment about them on the internet.

Same ones (like Richmond) who had selection #8 in the National Draft and selected the player purely off video highlights ......never saw the player play live

I give my opinions on what i see ......this is my opinion on Mathieson

If i am wrong you can go to town on me .....and you'll be welcome

So do you have an opinion .....or afraid to stick your neck out there ?

 

[TheVelourFog]

Who are the good judges ? .....same ones who rated Watts #1

Same judges that end up selecting :
Plowman at #3
Toumpas at #4
Coniglio at #2
Buntine at #5
Conca at #6

I could go on and on with all the good judges calls .......but when i read of so many faults ina plyers game and nothing special .....i say What The ????

Well I'm assuming that you had your initial post on Mathieson because Skippos picked him for the Crows in the big footy phantom draft. And I would rate his opinion a bit higher than someone who is judging a player based on the write up that Skippos did anyway.

 

[Elite Crow]

Who are the good judges ? .....same ones who rated Watts #1

Same judges that end up selecting :
Plowman at #3
Toumpas at #4
Coniglio at #2
Buntine at #5
Conca at #6

I could go on and on with all the good judges calls .......but when i read of so many faults ina plyers game and nothing special .....i say What The ????

That's such a stupid post because you've failed to list all the good judges calls of which there have been hundreds

 

[Paladin]

And that's why we drafted 3 of them last year - Dear, McGovern and Ramsey.

We drafted 3 of them last year, which is why we drafting a KPF is not a priority in 2015.

It was lunacy who seemed to make the suggestion that we should be drafting a KPF in 2015 to give us "coverage" in 2016, not me.

Ramsey is on the rookie list and has played mainly as a Key defender. McGovern is NOT a Key position forward he is a flanker/third tall with X factor.

We did draft Dear but he was a very late pick and has had both shoulders reconstructed already. I wouldn't say the cupboard is stocked let alone well stocked. If the best available player is a KPF we will be taking them I imagine.

 

[BunjiMac]

Skippos doing the crows a solid by deflecting attention from who we will actually take

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Nothing like

Exactly like.

In fact that was the player comparison used in the phantom draft you quoted.

I bet the write up on Lewis in his draft year was similar.

 

[headache1]

Same ones (like Richmond) who had selection #8 in the National Draft and selected the player purely off video highlights ......never saw the player play live

I give my opinions on what i see ......this is my opinion on Mathieson

If i am wrong you can go to town on me .....and you'll be welcome

So do you have an opinion .....or afraid to stick your neck out there ?

You can't just cite the times they got it wrong whilst completely ignoring the times they've got it right.

You're completely entitled to your opinions, but don't be surprised when people give those that are provided by people who are employed by AFL clubs more weight than your own.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Well I'm assuming that you had your initial post on Mathieson because Skippos picked him for the Crows in the big footy phantom draft. And I would rate his opinion a bit higher than someone who is judging a player based on the write up that Skippos did anyway.

Why is that exactly ? ....it was his opinion plus my eyes

Want another opinion then:

KNIGHTMARE PHANTOM DRAFT
Rys Mathieson Weaknesses:
Outside hurt-factor – Mathieson while he uses the ball well in traffic, generally when given time and space on the outside does no more damage than he does with less time on the inside. He can hit his targets by foot to a reasonable level, but not with freakish penetration, and he is not breaking the game open with his run either. And as such Mathieson at the next level will be an inside player. Athleticism/endurance – Mathieson is a good leaper and a marking threat in the air and spreads well enough from the contest, but otherwise I wouldn’t describe him as overly athletic. He isn’t sub 3 seconds over 20m and isn’t going to take on the game off or break the lines, agility is only average and he doesn’t have any freakish evasive moves. Endurance has room to grow and also need to improve. But none the less he should prove a sufficient mover even though it likely will never be a strength for him.
Summary:
Mathieson projects to become a 150 gamer and one of the better on-ballers from this draft class, as one of the strongest pure contested ball winners and stoppage specialists. He has the ability to play from season one if opportunities present through the midfield or in the front half in the interim

Sounds like a great replacement for Dangerfield .......yeah pick Mathieson over Burton, Mackay, Bonner .......FFS i'd even prefer Tucker

 

[spenze]

Agree always last minute changes ......but Lever was off a Knee with no exposed form ......much like Burton this year

2 mtre Peter is a Ruckman .....the odds were always that he would drift ......it was a massive surprise that GC took him as he was surplus to needs ......but GC always take best available

Francis is not either injured or a ruckman ......he's a a 191cm utility, who's an excellent mark and excellent kick ......give me one reason why any logical person would see him slipping?????

Because he doesn't wear screw ins

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Exactly like.

In fact that was the player comparison used in the phantom draft you quoted.

I bet the write up on Lewis in his draft year was similar.

Use your eyes man and watch a couple of games of his in entirety .......which i have ......have you?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You can't just cite the times they got it wrong whilst completely ignoring the times they've got it right.

You're completely entitled to your opinions, but don't be surprised when people give those that are provided by people who are employed by AFL clubs more weight than your own.

I trust my eyes ......and so far we have no opinions from anyone employed by any club

 

[1970crow]

That's such a stupid post because you've failed to list all the good judges calls of which there have been hundreds

For a bloke that often falls back to the, "and you'd know better than the selectors" response, I find his enthusiasm for his own opinion here quite interesting.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Because he doesn't wear screw ins

just hope Francis stuffed up his interview and could count back from 799

 

[headache1]

I trust my eyes ......and so far we have no opinions from anyone employed by any club

Where exactly do you think these pre-draft ranking predictions come from?

 

[1970crow]

You can't just cite the times they got it wrong whilst completely ignoring the times they've got it right.

You're completely entitled to your opinions, but don't be surprised when people give those that are provided by people who are employed by AFL clubs more weight than your own.

The ironing is delicious.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Use your eyes man and watch a couple of games of his in entirety .......which i have ......have you?

Why did you need to quote someone else then and use their observations?

And then say "sounds like a great replacement for Dangerfield" if it's actually your own observations you're going from?

So, you're effectively saying that Skippos' observations are both 100% right and also 100% wrong at the same time. Doesn't make any sense.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Where exactly do you think these pre-draft ranking predictions come from?

Certainly not from the clubs .....who are holding cards to their chest

So let me ask you to put your credibility on the line ......do you want Mathieson?

Or do you want an escape clause ......oh well people who should know selected them .......ah crap