List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Mego Red]

Harry McKay is a guy who might take 5 years or more to really come on.

Do our core have 5 years left in their prime?

We currently have two KPF's in our core.

 

[Draft Bored]

I'm not sold on Milera as others here are.

I've been the same but I just watched him on the draft machine (http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine.workstation) and his highlights crap all over the youtube ones I'd previously watched.

Hoping he falls to 13 as a flight risk.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Is it absolutely locked in that Carlton will take Weitering instead of Schache?

They butchered (haha... Butcher. Perfect.) their last chance of having a gun key forward by trading Josh Kennedy and it gets funnier by the Coleman.

I know their defence SUCKS but their forward lines sucks just as much, if not more.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You know how no one drafts ruckmen anymore because it's easier to poach one a few years later from other clubs after their development has been done and you've sorted the Meesens from the Mumfords...?

Will it start being the same with tall forwards? Ignore them in the draft then if someone shows promise offer them a million bucks as a 3rd year player?

 

[earlsta]

I've been the same but I just watched him on the draft machine (http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine.workstation) and his highlights crap all over the youtube ones I'd previously watched.

Hoping he falls to 13 as a flight risk.

Jeez he looks good, only highlights but his work in traffic stands out quite a lot, also seems very dual sided.

Should pull the trigger on Milera at 9 if McKay and Francis are gone.

Highly doubt we'd get Milera at 13, unless.. Didn't he state that his ideal scenario was to play with the crows or something?

 

[cm_perfect]

You know how no one drafts ruckmen anymore because it's easier to poach one a few years later from other clubs after their development has been done and you've sorted the Meesens from the Mumfords...?

Will it start being the same with tall forwards? Ignore them in the draft then if someone shows promise offer them a million bucks as a 3rd year player?

I don't think it will be limited to tall forwards, clubs will target quality 21/22 year old players to lessen the RFA/FA impact (IMO)

 

[Mismatched]

To date he's played his best footy off half back where he had a stellar year in 2014 as an under ager ultimately making the U18 All Australian side. Unfortunately he sustained a bad ankle injury late in the season that kept him out of the TAC Finals and necessitated the insertion of 2 screws and a lengthy period of recovery therefore missing a fair chunk of this years pre-season. Has a few quiet games when playing in the midfield early in the season but obviously lacked the tank and when your playing in a midfield that also contains a dominant teammate Jacob Hopper [best mid in this year's draft] he's the obvious go to man. As the year went on his form improved markedly probably due to an improving fitness base and confidence in his ankle resulting in selection in the Vic Country team at the U18 champs again this year where he averaged 18 disposals a game on top of averaging 24 disposals in the TAC Comp. I have no doubt whatsoever with his well noted aggression he will transition into the midfield rotations easily. He is a genuine line breaker in the Brodie Smith style.

Cheers, given what's been said regarding his attitude and the way he goes about his footy, you'd think he'd be more than comfortable as a genuine midfielder, however he seems to be seen very much as a pure HBF'er.

If our recruiters do see him as having genuine inside ability, I could see them being very keen given his obvious outside abilities. However as a pure outside player at only 6', I think we'd be perhaps a little less keen given the likes of Brown, Laird, Jaensch, Wigg already occupy spots on our list as smaller defenders and we've just spent 2x second rounders on taller flanker/winger types in Seedsman and Hampton.

There's a little more demand for someone with genuine all-round class if he can move through the midfield. I guess in a similar vein Rory Sloane seemed to play a lot through the flanks/pockets as junior, as did Dangerfield for that matter, and both have since become A-Grade midfielders with elite contested ball winning capacity.

 

[Draft Bored]

Screw the talls. I want two of these.

Francis/Milera/Oliver/Tucker

Unless of course Brisbane let us take Hipwood.

 

[azza77]

I've been the same but I just watched him on the draft machine (http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine.workstation) and his highlights crap all over the youtube ones I'd previously watched.

Hoping he falls to 13 as a flight risk.

Reminds me almost exactly of NDS. Not quick, but great skills, quick decision maker and a lethal side step.

 

[huludicidal]

Screw the talls. I want two of these.

Francis/Milera/Oliver/Tucker

Unless of course Brisbane let us take Hipwood.

Yeah this is how I'm leaning too. The only caveat is that I wouldn't go with a Milera / Tucker combo. If we do take Milera at 9, assuming Francis and Oliver are both long gone, I'd be more inclined to be taking someone more inside (Mathieson) or a medium / tall (Burton) at 13 than another outside type in Tucker.

Seriously though, if we jag Francis or Oliver at pick 9 I'll be too busy jerkin it in a quiet corner of the convention centre to even care too much about our second pick.

 

[Sanders]

You might be right but some teams are heading back towards those big forwards.
The core changes every year anyway as different players are drafted and traded.
The trick is to get the balance right in one particular year when it all comes together.
McKay would be helped out with a fairly experienced and potent forward line.

is he going to be helped out? i'm suggesting he won't be, because those forwards will be leaving the game before he's ready

 

[Sanders]

Will it start being the same with tall forwards? Ignore them in the draft then if someone shows promise offer them a million bucks as a 3rd year player?

will it start?

it's already happening now

 

[Sanders]

I don't think it will be limited to tall forwards, clubs will target quality 21/22 year old players to lessen the RFA/FA impact (IMO)

I don't think it will.

a player who accepts a deal at 21/22 gives up future free agency, so the new bidding club has to buy him out of that which is expensive. I don't think clubs can afford to buy just anyone out of future free agency. that's going to be limited to your treloars, camerons, hogans etc. teh very best, and in positions of great value/scarcity

 

[cm_perfect]

I don't think it will.

a player who accepts a deal at 21/22 gives up future free agency, so the new bidding club has to buy him out of that which is expensive. I don't think clubs can afford to buy just anyone out of future free agency. that's going to be limited to your treloars, camerons, hogans etc. teh very best, and in positions of great value/scarcity

I don't think we are that far apart, maybe I should have added some mayo when I said quality 21/22 year old (e.g. The very best)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Seriously though, if we jag Francis or Oliver at pick 9 I'll be too busy jerkin it in a quiet corner of the convention centre to even care too much about our second pick.

No No No .......would you be saying this if we hadn't got pick 9 for Danger

WE HAVEN"T relegated our first pick this year (#13) to a 2nd round pick

#13 is still technically the clubs first pick and should be treated as such

I said the other night that unintentionally this forum was treating #13 as a 2nd round pick

Pick 9 is compensation for Dangerfield .....and will in future be judged harshly as part of the Dangerfield deal

Pick 13 is our first pick and needs to be judged equally as hard as the Ebert v Dangerfield choices of previous years ......i know i certainly will

 

[WaynesWorld19]

adjunct to last message:
Last year everyone was identifying a pick for our first .....now it seems we'll grab one of the leftovers at #13 ........NO NO NO ....#13 IS OUR FIRST pick

 

[lunacy]

Don't think you will have to worry as I see H McKay going to Carlton at 8...Reckon he is on top of our board , but we may end up with Francis which is a blessing
Smoky for our 9 is taking milera before Francis , wouldn't do it myself but not the worst result
Very sure that the type of player we get at 9 will effect our choice at 13
Ie don't think we would take milera and then tucker ...or francis then hibberd

If we somehow could take McKay at 9 and still have either milera or Francis at 13 then I will be over the moon but can't see it

Don't even know if Burton is even in discussion , have a feeling he slides to the second round

Port better not get him. surely he doesn't make it that far.

 

[Elite Crow]

Strange cat

 

[Mego Red]

No No No .......would you be saying this if we hadn't got pick 9 for Danger

WE HAVEN"T relegated our first pick this year (#13) to a 2nd round pick

#13 is still technically the clubs first pick and should be treated as such

I said the other night that unintentionally this forum was treating #13 as a 2nd round pick

Pick 9 is compensation for Dangerfield .....and will in future be judged harshly as part of the Dangerfield deal

Pick 13 is our first pick and needs to be judged equally as hard as the Ebert v Dangerfield choices of previous years ......i know i certainly will

Well done at identifying an enormously pressing issue that doesn't actually exist.

I'm glad that you're here so that SOMEONE is showing massive indignation about a problem that isn't real.

 

[Cleric]

"
McKay’s got plenty of upside, but at the moment, his lack of consistency and poor kicking prove to be serious risks.

Best case scenario, McKay could play in a similar role to Drew Petrie. He takes the ball at the highest point, he can get around the ground and he can pinch hit in the ruck.

Worst case scenario, McKay could be a Tyrone Vickery second forward. In either case, McKay looks more likely to be a complimentary forward rather than a 50-60 goal a year threat at his peak."

Not with a top 10 pick thank you.
This must be a hell of a weak draft if you guys are bringing out the lube thinking we might draft him.

 

[Pdub]

"
McKay’s got plenty of upside, but at the moment, his lack of consistency and poor kicking prove to be serious risks.

Best case scenario, McKay could play in a similar role to Drew Petrie. He takes the ball at the highest point, he can get around the ground and he can pinch hit in the ruck.

Worst case scenario, McKay could be a Tyrone Vickery second forward. In either case, McKay looks more likely to be a complimentary forward rather than a 50-60 goal a year threat at his peak."

Not with a top 10 pick thank you.
This must be a hell of a weak draft if you guys are bringing out the lube thinking we might draft him.

He's the equal-youngest player in the draft, a lot of the other forwards are almost a year ahead of him in this draft. Some recruiters have said him and his brother could have been #1 and #2 next year if they were a little bit younger so they were given another year of development before their draft.

 

[Draft Bored]

Seriously though, if we jag Francis or Oliver at pick 9 I'll be too busy jerkin it in a quiet corner of the convention centre to even care too much about our second pick.

Ha! Same. Hopefully there are enough spare corners or this could get weird.

 

[Hodgy]

AFC appears to me to be trying to mirror the Hawthorn side at the moment which is definitely not a bad strategy. We have traded for a heap of HB/Mids who have great disposal which is really exactly what Hawthorns side is. The one missing piece as far as I can see is a Burgoyne type player who tends to go a bit un noticed in the Hawks side with all the stars they have but he adds so much to their side. His biggest asset is that he makes the game look like it has slowed down, he has incredible poise in traffic and he can move sideways as quickly as forward. In this draft Wayne Milera is that player. He is certainly unpolished at this stage but I have not seen many players recently who move as well and as calmly in traffic and he certainly seems to make the game slow down. Once he gets fitter and moves full time into the midfield he will be a jet. I'm not sure if he will be there at 9 but I get more sold on him every day and would love to see him on our list.

 

[Captain Furious]

1. Carlton: Weitering
2. Brisbane: Schache
3. Melbourne: Parish
4. Essendon: Weideman
5. Essendon: Francis
6. Gold Coast: Oliver
7. Melbourne: Curnow
8. Carlton: McKay
9. Adelaide: Milera
11. Carlton: Mathieson
12. Richmond: Ah Chee
13. Adelaide: Mitch Hibberd? Burton?

Think this is pretty spot on. Carlton may rethink on Mathieson, his athletic results were so bad at the combine, may cause a Matt Crouch type slide. Maybe they go Balic, Hibberd or Gresham, or as a surprise maybe Burton.

 

[dylan123]

9 comes before 13 WW