Recruiting Draft Watch 2021

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eDPS's 2021 Draft Rankings

Lore's 2021 Provisional Draft Order
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[Mr Magic]

I'd generously take a straight swap for 7 and 15.



I imagine they'd be looking at something like 15 and a second if we were to use Richmond as an example.

Yeah, 7 and 15 is not going to happen.

I do not represent the club and have no connection.

I can sorta see where the Bombers are coming from because there is not a lot of difference between 11 and 15 really I think and really comes down to who you want and where they fall.

Off the top of the head I would entertain a shift up from 15 to 11 and give away 28. Points say its in your favour. Really boils down to who RFC are chasing and whether they think its worth it. I would give it real consideration to be truthful.

 

[faible]

Yeah, 7 and 15 is not going to happen.

I do not represent the club and have no connection.

I can sorta see where the Bombers are coming from because there is not a lot of difference between 11 and 15 really I think and really comes down to who you want and where they fall.

Off the top of the head I would entertain a shift up from 15 to 11 and give away 28. Points say its in your favour. Really boils down to who RFC are chasing and whether they think its worth it. I would give it real consideration to be truthful

Instead of 7 and 15 I'll accept 7 and your first born?

I'd imagine a lot would hinge on a club like Richmond or Brisbane having a specific player in mind that they're willing to pay a little over the odds for. They're the only two that really jump out as having the currency in the right range to me for a trade to happen.

You'd need to have a pick after 11, but also have something that EFC would trade down the order for, which to me would be a second given we already have 2 x 3rds.

Richmond with 15 and 3 x 2nds certainly has the currency to make a trade worthwhile if they've got someone on the board at 11 that they don't think will last to 15.

 

[Mr Magic]

Instead of 7 and 15 I'll accept 7 and your first born?

I'd imagine a lot would hinge on a club like Richmond or Brisbane having a specific player in mind that they're willing to pay a little over the odds for. They're the only two that really jump out as having the currency in the right range to me for a trade to happen.

You'd need to have a pick after 11, but also have something that EFC would trade down the order for, which to me would be a second given we already have 2 x 3rds.

Richmond with 15 and 3 x 2nds certainly has the currency to make a trade worthwhile if they've got someone on the board at 11 that they don't think will last to 15.

agree, but like I said, I know who I want, but I do not know who the club is chasing and there are a few prospects at different spots.

Like you said comes down whether they are prepared to give up 28 to increase chances of picking someone up in the range a little earlier really. I think its possible for Essendon to get something done, and with a club with a little time on its hands not a dumb play by the dons

 

[faible]

agree, but like I said, I know who I want, but I do not know who the club is chasing and there are a few prospects at different spots.

Like you said comes down whether they are prepared to give up 28 to increase chances of picking someone up in the range a little earlier really. I think its possible for Essendon to get something done, and with a club with a little time on its hands not a dumb play by the dons

I imagine clubs would be doing ground-work throughout the next month to work out who they could do a deal with on the night.

Someone like Richmond with 5 selection inside the first 2 rounds may not need 5 players, they might prefer 3 with 2 of them inside the first round and being very specific names, whilst Essendon has more holes to fill so might be content to take some extra guys with a wider net for who fits the list.

 

[Mr Magic]

I imagine clubs would be doing ground-work throughout the next month to work out who they could do a deal with on the night.

Someone like Richmond with 5 selection inside the first 2 rounds may not need 5 players, they might prefer 3 with 2 of them inside the first round and being very specific names, whilst Essendon has more holes to fill so might be content to take some extra guys with a wider net for who fits the list.

Its something that could happen in live trading as well

 

[faible]

Its something that could happen in live trading as well

Yeah it would be the kind of thing where they'd want to be sure the player they wanted was still on the board at the time.

Take a player like Amiss who'd be around the 11-15 region, with Chol & CCJ gone, plus Reiwoldt just about done, Richmond might like a young KPF. If he's on the board there'd be a good reason to live-trade, if he's already gone and there's only midfielders, they might prefer to hold on to their picks and take an extra player in the pandemic draft chook lotto.

 

[eth-dog]

If it's going to happen it'll be on draft night and only if the player Richmond wants is there but think One of us, Port, GWS or Brisbane would take. Now the question would be who it is and whether the player we want might slip to 15.

I'm not against it by any means. It has the opportunity to get someone like Chesser who might not be a Goater or Wanganeen-Milera but fits a need as well as the ability to trade for that first pick of night 2 if someone like Mitch Knevitt or Arlo Draper is still on the board.

 

[doug85]

11 for 15 and 28 probably works. It all comes down to the clubs views on the quality of the draft. I wouldn’t mind trying to pinch 23 from the dogs with our F2.

 

[TheGrizz]

11 for 15 and 28 probably works. It all comes down to the clubs views on the quality of the draft. I wouldn’t mind trying to pinch 23 from the dogs with our F2.

Dogs need 23 to pay for Darcy, unlikely they trade it

 

[doug85]

Dogs need 23 to pay for Darcy, unlikely they trade it

I thought it was up for grabs?

 

[eth-dog]

I thought it was up for grabs?

Yeah, essentially for more points.

 

[Keystone agony]

No, I’m not joking. And you haven’t really responded to my points.

Shiel isn’t huge, we don’t need one to replace him in 4 years time.

We did pretty well in the contests. We’ll be adding Caldwell in. McGrath will get better. Shiel will be available. Perkins may develop into that type.
It really shouldn’t be a priority.


Keystone is clearly after a big inside beast. He/she says so. And with the type you’re saying, we’ll be effectively adding Caldwell and McGrath back into the side.

We weren’t terrible for contested possession. We were eighth in average contested possession differential across the season. That is with key clearance mids missing big chunks of the year, and playing a num young players with no/limited preseasons and/or 2020 games.

We were mid table as you suggest basically where we finished on the table. I think a big inside mid would help and you seem to need to be a really good CP side to win finals these days

We need to find a way to get into the top 4 for this category and then not lose by 20 like every year in a finals game where it matters most

 

[TheGrizz]

I thought it was up for grabs?

For more points this year.

A future second doesn't help that

 

[Keystone agony]

I dont mind the idea of drifting back a bit. It seems a guy like Goater is around the 15-17 mark on most mocks that have some knowledge of what clubs are chasing

Enough of Mac, Amiss, NVM, Gibcus, Ward, Hobbs seem to be going before our pick which pushes out the Erazmus, MJ, Goater types potentially till after ours

I feel alot depends where Rachelle is going and also likely other trade and re arrange pf picks

 

[doug85]

For more points this year.

A future second doesn't help that

Our 2 third rounders should get them enough points. So perhaps that and F2 for their 23 and F3

 

[eth-dog]

Our 2 third rounders should get them enough points. So perhaps that and F2 for their 23 and F3

Our two thirds barely cover pick 35

 

[FlyingV]

A bit of pressure on each clubs recruitment department in this draft. Lots of similarly rated talent in the top 40. Which recruiters will accurately pick the superstars that will inevitably be lurking in there? Pretty interesting compared to last year where the big 6 was locked in, and then our picks +-Bruhn were pretty obvious.

 

[Keystone agony]

Our two thirds barely cover pick 35

What if Daicos bid first at 2?

If Daicos is bid on first our 2 x 3rd rounders will be worth pick ~32/33

Wed still be needing to give up something else maybe F3

3 x 3rds for pick 23 which will be 25+ likely

 

[eth-dog]

What if Daicos bid first at 2?

If Daicos is bid on first our 2 x 3rd rounders will be worth pick ~32/33

Wed still be needing to give up something else maybe F3

3 x 3rds for pick 23 which will be 25+ likely

But not 23.

 

[doug85]

Our two thirds barely cover pick 35

With the picks they currently have, sans 23, it should cover a bid at 3.

 

[eth-dog]

With the picks they currently have, sans 23, it should cover a bid at 3.

As it currently stands a pick 3 bid gets them 45 which could nab them a ruck or key defender

 

[Keystone agony]

I expect the first 5 to be

1. JHF
2. Daicos bid
3. Darcy bid
4. Mac/Callaghan
5. Callaghan/Mac
6. ? (Crows)

Who the crows go seems a real unknown only seen links to Rachelle. They drafted both C.Jones and Mchenry in the first 16 picks not long ago and hasnt really worked. Do they back themselves to go to the same well again

I wouldve thought an inside mid but they do need forwards aswell but not talls

 

[ant555]

No, I’m not joking. And you haven’t really responded to my points.

Shiel isn’t huge, we don’t need one to replace him in 4 years time.

We did pretty well in the contests. We’ll be adding Caldwell in. McGrath will get better. Shiel will be available. Perkins may develop into that type.
It really shouldn’t be a priority.


Keystone is clearly after a big inside beast. He/she says so. And with the type you’re saying, we’ll be effectively adding Caldwell and McGrath back into the side.

We weren’t terrible for contested possession. We were eighth in average contested possession differential across the season. That is with key clearance mids missing big chunks of the year, and playing a num young players with no/limited preseasons and/or 2020 games.

I can not speak totally for KA other than the players mentioned / rated by KA are more Macrae types. Big body but not solely inside players. Goater , Johnson , Eramis , Knevitt etc . All have good outside games. None are just inside beasts .On top of that KA does not rate Sheil as being much of a factor going forward so is likely looking for a replacement there. If it was clearance animal then Hobbs would be mentioned.

As for contested footy. Yes we where down on midfielders most of the year and it hurt and was a factor. However I do not like just looking at the differential stat as how good and bad other sides are on certain days play a role. I prefer to just look at what we did for the year. We won contested footy in 9/23 games and only won contested footy once against a finals side which ironically was Sydney. The wins in contested footy where Saints +4 , Carlton + 5 , Freo + 3 , NM +1 , Hawks + 19 , Crows + 20 , North + 9 , Sydney + 7 and Suns + 22. There where a few close games including being -1 against Geelong after being a long way back early in that game. I would say our contested footy was terrible. 9/23 against mainly bottom sides is average.

We will get some back which will help. Perkins and Cox will be stronger and most likely be playing fringe roles and who know, maybe Waterman will have a better fitness base and get back to playing more midfield. IMO it does not change the fact we still need midfield depth and a bigger / taller player with an inside and outside game fits the bill of point of difference in the midfield.

 

[Keystone agony]

I can not speak totally for KA other than the players mentioned / rated by KA are more Macrae types. Big body but not solely inside players. Goater , Johnson , Eramis , Knevitt etc . All have good outside games. None are just inside beasts .On top of that KA does not rate Sheil as being much of a factor going forward so is likely looking for a replacement there. If it was clearance animal then Hobbs would be mentioned.

Every player you need to consider the total package. Pure big inside mids dont also work, its why clubs have tried working so hard on Lyons, Oliver and Wines outside games.

If we really just felt we needed a king CP player id say we wouldve been far more invested in W.Brodie

I dont hate Shiel as much as everyone thinks just believe hes over rated by a few here and that our midfield balance is out.

If we can get the job done on the inside with Shiel, Parish, Zerrett than ill be surprised. I dont believe we can. I think currently were relying on who we draft this year players you mentioned and Perkins development in this area which i have decent hopes with.

If i could swap a Shiel for a Dunkley or O.Wines id say we are alot closer to the top and becomes a formidable midfield covering every aspect.

Nice post

Edit: The other thing to consider is more and more finals are being played under lights and the likelihood that the GF is under lights from now on or very shortly will not surprise. The ball naturally tends to be on the deck more often and in contested situations. Playing a final at Marvel doesnt worry me even right now under the roof.

Its going to Perth to play a night game,
or playing in wet Tasmania that concern me

 

[Ants]

Ok, so if you're walking back from needing a big bodied inside mid to a nicely rounded mid who is also big bodied, well sure. That's great. And if we can get one, fantastic. They just generally go top 5 in the draft. So when looking at players who aren't perfect on every dimension, I think we need disposal over clearance ability.

We were mid table as you suggest basically where we finished on the table. I think a big inside mid would help and you seem to need to be a really good CP side to win finals these days

We need to find a way to get into the top 4 for this category and then not lose by 20 like every year in a finals game where it matters most

We were mid-table in stoppages, near the top on clearances, and had several of our clearance players miss parts or all of the season. Caldwell, Shiel, McGrath, and to lesser degrees Langford and Stringer all missed games.

In the final, we were winning the midfield early before the under-done guys ran out of puff, and even into the 4th quarter had had more scoring shots. If the forwards kick as accurately as the Bulldogs did, then we're challenging right into the 4th quarter. The issue wasn't the midfield types, it was too many underdone players, inaccurate goal kicking, and some shocking bad luck with the umpires.

So if we beat the Bulldogs in the dry, and were beating them for 3/4's in the wet, and the Bulldogs probably have the most of these types you want, maybe we don't need any?????