Draft whispers, rumours & scuttlebut

[Paracleet]

Might be a reach, but Fremantle should take Mitch Brown at 22. They have Pearce to takeover McPharlin's role, but it's a big ask to expect him to hold such a position at 20 without hiccups.

Crazy talk, has a recycled player even been taken below 50? Let alone a high second round pick?
Quick research here
A bit of quick excel filtering the above here suggests no player in the last ten years has been redrafted higher than the 50's and in the last 20 years only 2 or three players have been redrafted lower (none higher than 33, and all more than 10 years ago). Most redrafts are 4th round on (or more likely rookie, which are not listed here).
If Brown is taken at all it will be 3rd / 4th round / Rookie.


BTW I have ignored players like Ball and Jacobs who delisted themselves by refusing a contract and entered the draft.

 

[Kegstar]

Light frame (i.e. will he get to an AFL body?) would probably be the one but he is the 2nd best in the draft (academy aside) in my book. At least he has shown consistent performances.

If his old man is any indicator he'll be fine body wise + he's as hard as nails.

 

[Love the Drake]

The only two you can guarantee are absolutely none of them, because they're fresh kids and anything can happen. The touted 'best player in the pool' is rarely if ever the best player in the pool. It's an opinion, mate, you're welcome to disagree with it, but don't mistake your own opinion for fact.

Don't misquote me 'Mate'. I said weitering and Schache will go 1 & 2; that is a lock, guaranteed. I don't think anyone, apart from you, would argue with that.

After that it's a lottery...nothing is guaranteed.

 

[TwentyNine]

Don't misquote me 'Mate'. I said weitering and Schache will go 1 & 2; that is a lock, guaranteed. I don't think anyone, apart from you, would argue with that.

After that it's a lottery...nothing is guaranteed.

You said the only two you can guarantee are Weitering and Schache, and did nothing to qualify what you meant by that. Given your next comment was about Weitering being better than Schache I figured you must be 'guaranteeing' the quality of the players. You said nothing about them going 1 & 2 so please don't leap down my throat for not reading into your post something you never actually said. I can't possibly misquote you because I clicked the quote button and it just says what you said.

I'm not say Weitering and Schache won't go 1 and 2, they almost certainly will. What I'm saying is that pre-draft predictions of who the best players will be rarely pan out to be accurate, and that if I were the Blues I'd look to sew up the best kpf available in Schache and then take a KPD later (probably Collins). Just my 2c.

 

[Dochearty]

You said the only two you can guarantee are Weitering and Schache, and did nothing to qualify what you meant by that. Given your next comment was about Weitering being better than Schache I figured you must be 'guaranteeing' the quality of the players. You said nothing about them going 1 & 2 so please don't leap down my throat for not reading into your post something you never actually said. I can't possibly misquote you because I clicked the quote button and it just says what you said.

I'm not say Weitering and Schache won't go 1 and 2, they almost certainly will. What I'm saying is that pre-draft predictions of who the best players will be rarely pan out to be accurate, and that if I were the Blues I'd look to sew up the best kpf available in Schache and then take a KPD later (probably Collins). Just my 2c.

Just because we have pick 1 you want to throw your negativity at us... Scared that Carlton are going to be the first club that picks the best player in the draft at pick 1!
FYI it's a long time since we have seen a standout player like Wietering, universally agreed by pretty much all clubs and recruiters. Let's just watch WHO the Poos choose.. actually let's not I don't care about them enough to waste a minute! Go Blues.. the sleeping giants scares all!

 

[Dochearty]

Proof??? I call BS!

Supports the lions.

 

[TwentyNine]

Just because we have pick 1 you want to throw your negativity at us... Scared that Carlton are going to be the first club that picks the best player in the draft at pick 1!
FYI it's a long time since we have seen a standout player like Wietering, universally agreed by pretty much all clubs and recruiters. Let's just watch WHO the Poos choose.. actually let's not I don't care about them enough to waste a minute! Go Blues.. the sleeping giants scares all!

I actually have a bit of a soft spot for the Blues lately as (somehow) a lot of my mates support them. Having an opinion and putting it forward in a thread =/= 'throwing my negativity at you'. I'd like to see the Blues make a good fist of this draft and I reckon picking Schache is the best way to do that. FYI we are told most years that it's 'been a long time' since we saw a standout player like the one who is going at no. 1 and it rarely if ever pans out that way. There's a lot of hype this time of year, I'm ignoring that and going with my own viewpoint. Sue me.

 

[hepd]

I actually have a bit of a soft spot for the Blues lately as (somehow) a lot of my mates support them. Having an opinion and putting it forward in a thread =/= 'throwing my negativity at you'. I'd like to see the Blues make a good fist of this draft and I reckon picking Schache is the best way to do that. FYI we are told most years that it's 'been a long time' since we saw a standout player like the one who is going at no. 1 and it rarely if ever pans out that way. There's a lot of hype this time of year, I'm ignoring that and going with my own viewpoint. Sue me.

Genuinely curious to why you think Carlton should take Schache ahead of Weitering. Is it because Schache is purely the better player or is it because Schache + Collins > Weitering + McKey?

 

[Love the Drake]

You said the only two you can guarantee are Weitering and Schache, and did nothing to qualify what you meant by that. Given your next comment was about Weitering being better than Schache I figured you must be 'guaranteeing' the quality of the players. You said nothing about them going 1 & 2 so please don't leap down my throat for not reading into your post something you never actually said. I can't possibly misquote you because I clicked the quote button and it just says what you said.

I'm not say Weitering and Schache won't go 1 and 2, they almost certainly will. What I'm saying is that pre-draft predictions of who the best players will be rarely pan out to be accurate, and that if I were the Blues I'd look to sew up the best kpf available in Schache and then take a KPD later (probably Collins). Just my 2c.

You are entitled to your opinion but I just don't get it. If Carlton are screaming out for a KPD and a KPF we will take best available; Weitering is best available.

What you are saying is take 2nd best available (forward) and hope to get a 2nd/3rd best defender. I don't get it..

 

[TwentyNine]

Genuinely curious to why you think Carlton should take Schache ahead of Weitering. Is it because Schache is purely the better player or is it because Schache + Collins > Weitering + McKey?

No I reckon Weitering is probably the better player - at this stage at least - but Schache the more valuable as a KPF. It's a similar logic to St Kilda taking Paddy McCartin over Christian Petracca last year, Petracca was probably the better player but you only get the chance to take a gun KPF so often and you don't want to miss it. I think the Saints made the right choice and I'd make the same sort of choice if I was heading up the Blues this year.

KPFs are just so much more important to a team success - if you have a great KPD that is real weapon but you can get by without them, look at West Coast who made the grand final this year with most of their KPDs injured for example. But you do not tend to see teams achieve a good level of success without an elite KPF or two in tow - look at Fremantle who have struggled immensely because they can't find a partner/replacement for Pavlich - my view is that's a more important target for the Blues and they should get one now when they have the chance.

Good KPDs are taken all over the draft and some of the best ones have even come through the rookie draft. But there are very few elite KPFs i the league who were not first round draft selections and I think that now, while they have the option, the Blues have to take a potential elite KPF, because they might not have the chance later.

Weideman, Curnow will both be gone before pick 8 unless something drastically changes so that leaves the Blues with Harry McKay as likely the other KPF they'd consider from this draft and he is well below Schache in my view. Collins on the otherhand is definitely a downgrade from Weitering but I think is much more comparable to him than McKay is to Schache.

Even if there was no Collins/McKay thing to take into comparison I would still pick Schache if I was the Blues, but the possibility to get a quality KPD like Collins a little later in the draft certainly is a boon to that idea in my mind.

At the end of the day I think rather than asking yourself who is going to be the better player you ask who is going to help us win a flag, and Schache rather than Weitering is that player in my view.

 

[hilly]

Can any Geelong fans offer a view on why Brown was delisted?

 

[TwentyNine]

You are entitled to your opinion but I just don't get it. If Carlton are screaming out for a KPD and a KPF we will take best available; Weitering is best available.

What you are saying is take 2nd best available (forward) and hope to get a 2nd/3rd best defender. I don't get it..

My view is that you need a KPF and KPD. If you take the KPD first then I don't think you will find a good enough KPF in what's left of this draft and there are no guarantees on whether you'll have access to one in later drafts. If you take the KPF on the other hand I think you'll have plenty of opportunity to snag a KPD either later in this draft, or in future drafts. Quality KPFs are harder to come by than quality KPDs, you get much fewer chances to take them, so I reckon you need to take those chances when they present themselves.

 

[Grockadoc]

Hearing from a few people that Carlton will be taking key position players with their first 3 picks.

At this stage, that looks like Weitering, Collins and one of McKay/Weidemann.

 

[Dez!]

Hearing from a few people that Carlton will be taking key position players with their first 3 picks.

At this stage, that looks like Weitering, Collins and one of McKay/Weidemann.

Can't see them being able to get Weidemann, won't last that long IMO.

 

[hepd]

No I reckon Weitering is probably the better player - at this stage at least - but Schache the more valuable as a KPF. It's a similar logic to St Kilda taking Paddy McCartin over Christian Petracca last year, Petracca was probably the better player but you only get the chance to take a gun KPF so often and you don't want to miss it. I think the Saints made the right choice and I'd make the same sort of choice if I was heading up the Blues this year.

KPFs are just so much more important to a team success - if you have a great KPD that is real weapon but you can get by without them, look at West Coast who made the grand final this year with most of their KPDs injured for example. But you do not tend to see teams achieve a good level of success without an elite KPF or two in tow - look at Fremantle who have struggled immensely because they can't find a partner/replacement for Pavlich - my view is that's a more important target for the Blues and they should get one now when they have the chance.

Good KPDs are taken all over the draft and some of the best ones have even come through the rookie draft. But there are very few elite KPFs i the league who were not first round draft selections and I think that now, while they have the option, the Blues have to take a potential elite KPF, because they might not have the chance later.

Weideman, Curnow will both be gone before pick 8 unless something drastically changes so that leaves the Blues with Harry McKay as likely the other KPF they'd consider from this draft and he is well below Schache in my view. Collins on the otherhand is definitely a downgrade from Weitering but I think is much more comparable to him than McKay is to Schache.

Even if there was no Collins/McKay thing to take into comparison I would still pick Schache if I was the Blues, but the possibility to get a quality KPD like Collins a little later in the draft certainly is a boon to that idea in my mind.

At the end of the day I think rather than asking yourself who is going to be the better player you ask who is going to help us win a flag, and Schache rather than Weitering is that player in my view.

Yeah I agree with some of your points but I'd argue that there's an inherent element of risk that comes with drafting a KPF no matter how talented they might be - Boyd, Watts, Sam Day are probably examples. I think what gives Weitering his 'sure-ability' is that he's not a simple vanilla KPD (which I agree, you can find good ones later in the draft) but one that has elite raking kick and an ability to intercept so he's got more tricks in the book if he's not your primary key defender that replaces Jamison - it's also been pointed out that he's got leadership qualities which is something Carlton sorely need. I know it's probably a really poor sample but they did play on each other in the TAC cup and Weitering won on the day. Also, as you've mentioned, good lockdown KPDs can be found all over the draft so why use pick 11 on Collins? I also think Carlton are looking at Tomlinson as a possible forward target in the future. They'll be on the bottom of the ladder for a while they rebuild IMO, so they've got chances to pick up a forward.

Each to their own I guess, your points are equally valid but I personally think Carlton see taking Schache as a risk when they just really need to nail their picks for this draft to have any chance of a positive rebuild and to justify trading out Menzel etc. I think if Schache and Weitering were neck and neck in terms of talent, the first 2 picks might've panned out differently.

 

[blueiris]

am I obviously missing something why do people rate Wietering as the best player in this draft and totally dismiss Schache? Yet are probably hopeful Lions pick him and for him to leave in 2 years hopping for a bargain pick up

 

[TwentyNine]

am I obviously missing something why do people rate Wietering as the best player in this draft and totally dismiss Schache? Yet are probably hopefully Lions pick him and for him to leave in 2 years hopping for a bargain pick up

Because the media has a lot of Carlton fans to cater for.

 

[The Facepainter]

Hawthorn will select Tim Cole with Pick 18 if not taken already.

Tom?

 

[The Facepainter]

What Essendon paid for a hooker?

Did this come with restraints?

 

[LegendLewis]

Might be a reach, but Fremantle should take Mitch Brown at 22. They have Pearce to takeover McPharlin's role, but it's a big ask to expect him to hold such a position at 20 without hiccups.

I think freo will go for Marcus Adams if he is available.
Supposedly WB, Wc and Freo want him. So WB may take him before the others at 22. if not he will definitely go before pick 30 with one of them. Makes sense with these three teams in their window in need of big brutish backmen.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Hopefully he wants to come to play for us in 2 years

would be great to wave a 2nd round pick on the trade table for a former top pick, and not have it waved at us for a change

 

[Balony_pony16]

Whisper: Ryan Burton's medical didn't go very well

 

[Sellout Scully]

Supposedly the Demons have some interest in Sam Menegola

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Not only is Weitering the best KPD in the draft, he'd also be the best KPF

 

[baaaall!]

Proof??? I call BS!

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