Draft whispers, rumours & scuttlebut

[Theo X]

Our drafting record since Taylor's been in charge is near perfect.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

More likely he's trying to avoid Essendon.

Probably wants to get to GC's pick at least. Meh, not a big deal though, players are not drafted to be model citizens!

 

[ManOfClay]

Reckon Charlie Curnow will slide now

 

[Cringle]

Fantastic!

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Reckon Charlie Curnow will slide now

All the way to pick 7

 

[Super Hans]

Probably isn't trying to avoide anyone. Just got pissed cause it's the end of school. That's it.

 

[Crawb]

Lol if Curnow slides and Hawthorn pick him up.

 

[tige19]

Can someone post the Buckenara phantom draft article here?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Reckon Charlie Curnow will slide now

Doubt he will slide much at all. Too talented to do so.

 

[Chaisa]

Can someone post the Buckenara phantom draft article here?

Actual article itself is paywalled.

Summary:

1. Carlton — Jacob WeiteringDefender, 195cm, 91kg, Dandenong Stingrays/Mt Eliza/The Peninsula School

Gary Buckenara says: This is a really important pick for the Blues and it will deliver a key-position defender in Weitering who can also play a forward role. He will predominantly be that key defender and should play senior footy in 2016. He’s a potential captain.

2. Brisbane Lions — Josh Schache

Forward, 199cm, 96kg, Murray Bushrangers/Seymour

Buckenara says: Schache will be a really good pick for Brisbane because he’s exactly what they need — he’s exactly what every club needs because this type of player is so hard to find. He’s a forward/ruckman with agility, reasonable pace and a reasonable leap to be able to go into the ruck when needed. He’s a beautiful kick on goal and hardly ever misses inside 50.

3. Melbourne — Darcy Parish

Midfielder, 181cm, 74kg, Geelong Falcons/Winchelsea

Buckenara says: Melbourne could bid for Swans Academy midfielder Callum Mills but I think they’ll go straight for Darcy Parish instead. Parish to me is the quality midfielder of this year’s draft pool. He’s got good pace, can win his own footy, is a good decision-maker and kicks the ball very well. Even though Melbourne has a lot of midfielders already, he’s the type of player who has proven in the Under-18s he can play a defensive role behind the footy and be a smart set-up player or go into the midfield and play as a ball-winner with pace and outside run.

Draft hopeful Darcy Parish. Picture: Peter Ristevski
4. Sydney Swans — Callum Mills

Midfielder, 186cm, 80kg, Sydney Swans Academy/North Shore

Buckenara says: An in and under midfielder, Mills is a competitive animal who is super fit, dedicated, has an elite kick and is a potential captain material down the track. He’s a class act.

*I expect Essendon to bid for Swans Academy player Callum Mills and the Swans will match it by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 4.

5. Essendon — Aaron Francis

Forward/defender, 191cm, 92kg, West Adelaide/Woxton North

Buckenara says: Francis is a bit of a Josh Gibson type. He’s a tall defender who can come third man in because he reads the play really well but can also go forward and take a mark and kick a goal. Potentially, he could be a bigger-bodied midfielder, so he’s very adaptable in where he can play. There are question marks on his endurance, so I suspect he’ll play a defensive third-man role given the Bombers lost Jake Carlisle.

6. GWS Giants — Jacob Hopper

Midfielder, 187cm, 88kg, GWS Academy/North Ballarat

Buckenara says: Hopper is very similar to Mills but probably needs to work on his kicking a little bit. He’s a competitive in-and-under player who makes good decisions with the ball.

*I also expect the Bombers to bid for Jacob Hopper and the Giants will match it again by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 6.

7. Essendon — Charlie Curnow

Forward/midfielder, 191cm, 95kg, Geelong Falcons/Torquay

Buckenara says: For the size factor I think the Bombers should go with Curnow. He can be a power forward but because he’s so athletic he can also play as a big-bodied midfielder and win the ball a bit, just like Jarryd Roughead. He can actually also do what Roughead does and that’s go into the ruck, but he can also go in and not ruck but win clearances. To me, that fits a need at Essendon. When the key-position players are there, it’s very hard not to pick them instead of midfielders because it’s a bit easier to find them.

Charlie Curnow at Jan Juc beach. Picture: Nigel Hallett
8. GWS Giants — Matthew Kennedy

Midfielder, 187cm, 88kg, GWS Academy/Collingullie

Buckenara says: A nice size, Kennedy can play as a high half-forward. He’s very clever, reads the play well, has a great pair of hands, makes good decisions and is a beautiful kick..

*I expect the Suns to bid for GWS Academy player Matthew Kennedy and the Giants will match it by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 8.

9. Gold Coast — Sam Weideman

Forward, 196cm, 94kg, Eastern Ranges/Vermont

Buckenara says: Sam has been injured but I liken him to a young Matthew Pavlich. He has very similar traits to Pavlich in that he competes really well, kick the ball well, he’s very athletic, is a nice size and is a potential key-position player. He does need to put a bit more of a body on and needs to get his injuries right, but he’d be a good fit. When the key-position players are there, clubs would be mad to bypass them.

10. Melbourne — Kieran Collins

Defender, 194cm, 100kg, Dandenong Stingrays/Langwarrin/Haileybury College

Buckenara says: Given that Melbourne gets Parish at pick 3, I’d go Collins here even though a lot of people have him going a bit further down the order. I still think he’s going to be a beauty as a key defender. He’s a Brian Lake type, he’s going to be a really big, strong man down back who is able to play on those strong forwards like Tom Hawkins. Sometimes it’s hard to find guys who are capable on playing on those big forwards, so when you’ve got a guy like Collins, who makes good decisions with the footy, is a good kick, reads the play quite well, he’d be an excellent pick and good fit for what Melbourne needs.

Kieran Collins had an outstanding year as a key defender. Picture: Colleen Petch
11. Carlton — Darcy Tucker

Half-back, 184cm, 80kg, North Ballarat/Horsham Saints

Buckenara says: Tucker is a beautiful left-foot kick, he has good endurance, reasonable pace, makes good decisions with the footy and adds a touch of class. He’s a bit of a ball carrier — he’s not afraid to take players on. He’s actually not too dissimilar to Kade Simpson and the Blues need another player like that. He’s also potential captain material going forward.

12. Adelaide — Wayne Milera

Half-forward, 185cm, 75kg, Central Districts/Ingle Farm

Buckenara says: A really clever player with good leg speed, makes good decisions with the footy and can play forward and midfield. He’s another type who can add class and polish to the Crows.

13. Carlton — Harry McKay

Forward, 200cm, 95kg, Gippsland Power/Warragul

Buckenara says: Given I’ve got them taking Tucker and most of the other key-position players are gone, a guy like McKay would be a nice addition. He’s only been playing footy for four or five years, he’s been more of a basketball guy so he came into the program late but really improved and gained a lot of confidence out of his performances in the Under-18 championships. He’s a tall, agile forward who can probably go into the ruck because he can jump. He does need to put a body on but he’s a perfect key-position size.

14. Richmond — Rhys Mathieson

Midfielder, 186cm, 82kg, Geelong Falcons/Bell Park

Buckenara says: Mathieson racks up the possessions, he’s a hardworking in-and-under player who makes good decisions with the footy. He’d be a really good pick-up for the Tigers to add some quality to their midfield depth.

15. Adelaide — Riley Bonner

Half-back, 191cm, 85kg, West Adelaide/Goodwood

Buckenara says: A tallish rebounding defender, Bonner is an Adelaide boy with a beautiful left-foot kick and provides a lot of drive off half-back because he loves to get the ball and run. His ball use is very good and similar to the way Grant Birchall distributes the ball. The go-home factor has probably hurt them a bit in the past so the fact he’s from Adelaide adds a bit of weight here.

16. Brisbane Lions — Eric Hipwood

Forward/defender, 199cm, 84kg, Brisbane Lions Academy/Aspley

Buckenara says: Hipwood is interesting. He can play as a key defender or key forward but is still very raw so the Lions will need to be patient with him. He is a good size and when he puts on a body, he will be a big boy and a fantastic addition. He’s a thumping kick.

*I expect the Saints to bid for Brisbane Academy player Eric Hipwood and the Lions to match it by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 16.

17. St Kilda — Ben McKay

Forward/defender, 199cm, 95kg, Gippsland Power/Warragul

Buckenara says: The twin brother of Harry McKay, Ben does have similar attributes to his brother in his size and shape and he came into the system a bit later this year. At this stage, Ben probably plays a little bit harder than what Harry does and his form at the back end of the year was really good. He would fit well in the St Kilda playing model.

18. Hawthorn — Jade Gresham

Midfielder, 178cm, 77kg, Northern Knights/South Morang

Buckenara says: Given a few of the Hawks midfielders are getting older, Gresham would be a good addition. He was prolific in the TAC Cup and Under-18 championships, has good leg speed, good endurance and uses the ball well. He’s only small in stature but he does win his own ball and has the pace outside, not dissimilar to Billy Hartung who likes to take them on and break the lines. That type of player really goes well with Alastair Clarkson’s game plan.

19 Brisbane - Keays (bid on by GC)
20 GC - Balic
21 NM - Clarke
22 Hawks - Ah Chee
23 Carlton - Cole
24 WBD - Oliver
25 WBD - Glass-McCasker
26 Freo - Burton
27 WC - Dunkley
28 Ess - Rioli
29 Ess - Cunningham
30 GWS - Flynn
31 NM - Crocker
32 Coll - Doedee
33 NM - Markov
34 GC - Sullivan
35 WBD - Schoenfeld

 

[Tulip]

Probably isn't trying to avoide anyone. Just got pissed cause it's the end of school. That's it.

And decided to drive home rather than take a cab, when he's on the verge of a six figure salary? Obviously we need more details, but its worrying. I don't know what I think with regards to Melbourne, but someone with that kind of critical thinking process is exactly what Carlton doesn't need right now. Whether they draft him if he's available at 8 will say a lot about them as a club moving forward.

 

[ManOfClay]

And decided to drive home rather than take a cab, when he's on the verge of a six figure salary? .

It's almost like his decision making may have been impaired by something

 

[mickelboy182]

And decided to drive home rather than take a cab, when he's on the verge of a six figure salary? Obviously we need more details, but its worrying. I don't know what I think with regards to Melbourne, but someone with that kind of critical thinking process is exactly what Carlton doesn't need right now. Whether they draft him if he's available at 8 will say a lot about them as a club moving forward.

But if Melbourne pick him it will be an astute choice I'm sure... Our clubs are not so different at the moment...

 

[daffo]

Didn't want Curnow before this story. I would be so damn happy if we can get Parish and Francis.

 

[Tulip]

It's almost like his decision making may have been impaired by something

Funny, isn't it. End of year 12, you can't blame these blokes for going out and having some fun. But insisting on driving and then refusing a breath test? It may have been a perfect storm; drinking all afternoon, just got his license, didn't know his limits, just a short drive. Or it may be indicative of his character and put plenty of clubs off.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

And decided to drive home rather than take a cab, when he's on the verge of a six figure salary? Obviously we need more details, but its worrying. I don't know what I think with regards to Melbourne, but someone with that kind of critical thinking process is exactly what Carlton doesn't need right now. Whether they draft him if he's available at 8 will say a lot about them as a club moving forward.

You have to remember pick 8 is basically a low-mid teens pick normally, with the thinness of the draft and the Academy selections counted for. Pick 8, he is gone. Too talented not to. So what if he isn't a model citizen...earth to everyone neither are most players.

 

[Tulip]

But if Melbourne pick him it will be an astute choice I'm sure... Our clubs are not so different at the moment...

Not so different, no. Having said that, Melbourne has all of its key posts in place with a proven body of young players and is aiming for finals next year. Carlton doesn't have a single proven operator at the joint, and one great young player in Cripps who needs plenty of help. Carlton's trying to move away from a culture of arrogance to address its issues, Melbourne is trying to become more confident and fluent in its structures.

 

[Super Hans]

And decided to drive home rather than take a cab, when he's on the verge of a six figure salary? Obviously we need more details, but its worrying. I don't know what I think with regards to Melbourne, but someone with that kind of critical thinking process is exactly what Carlton doesn't need right now. Whether they draft him if he's available at 8 will say a lot about them as a club moving forward.

What he did was wrong, but I'm just saying people saying he did it to try and avoid Essendon/Melbourne are idiots.

 

[Bishop]

Funny, isn't it. End of year 12, you can't blame these blokes for going out and having some fun. But insisting on driving and then refusing a breath test? It may have been a perfect storm; drinking all afternoon, just got his license, didn't know his limits, just a short drive. Or it may be indicative of his character and put plenty of clubs off.

Curnow finished Year 12 last year.

 

[NMFCARSENAL98]

Not so different, no. Having said that, Melbourne has all of its key posts in place with a proven body of young players and is aiming for finals next year. Carlton doesn't have a single proven operator at the joint, and one great young player in Cripps who needs plenty of help. Carlton's trying to move away from a culture of arrogance to address its issues, Melbourne is trying to become more confident and fluent in its structures.

'Melbourne is aiming for finals next year"… i've heard it all now.

 

[mickelboy182]

Not so different, no. Having said that, Melbourne has all of its key posts in place with a proven body of young players and is aiming for finals next year. Carlton doesn't have a single proven operator at the joint, and one great young player in Cripps who needs plenty of help. Carlton's trying to move away from a culture of arrogance to address its issues, Melbourne is trying to become more confident and fluent in its structures.

Had to chuckle at this... Proven body of players? Only thing they've proven is an inability to lift themselves off the cellar floor for an extended period of time.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch...

 

[BRWB]

Dunno about this bagging of Curnow, sounds like a good bloke to me.

 

[Theo X]

Didn't want Curnow before this story. I would be so damn happy if we can get Parish and Francis.

Parish is coming to us at 3. 98% sure.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not so different, no. Having said that, Melbourne has all of its key posts in place with a proven body of young players and is aiming for finals next year. Carlton doesn't have a single proven operator at the joint, and one great young player in Cripps who needs plenty of help. Carlton's trying to move away from a culture of arrogance to address its issues, Melbourne is trying to become more confident and fluent in its structures.

So are we saying ... drink driving is arrogant, Melbourne are now in a position where they could use some arrogance, Carlton needs to avoid arrogance .... Carlton's culture is stuffed if we select Curnow?

I'd say one of Carlton's biggest on field problems is being too introverted. Board room arrogance has little to do with the players. One of our most disciplined players is Ed Curnow. If Charlie had any issues, you'd think big brother would be one to straighten him out.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Curnow will slide now IMO. Remember Jack Darling? Clubs won't want this publicity and it's happened too close to the draft for it to blow over in time.

According to a recent article or two both St Kilda and Hawthorn said privately that they wouldn't have traded for Carlisle had they been aware of the Snapchat video and he has a lot more runs on the board than Curnow.

The question for me is just how far he slides.