Drawdown to 35 List Players

[1990crow]

Jones, M.Crouch, Sloane, Seedsman, Talia, Walker, Brown, Hamill, Stengle, Atkins, Schoenberg, Worrall, McHenry, Lynch, Laird, Milera, Fogarty, Smith, McAsey, Gollant, Sholl, Doedee, Butts, O’Brien, Frampton, O’Connor, Galluci, McAdam, McPherson, Davis

Let Brad Crouch walk.
Take picks 4,5, 15 (GWS), Edwards, Newchurch.
Hope we can get Hollands and Thilthorpe with picks 4 and 5.

Out: Crouch, Knight, Murphy, Gibbs, Kelly, Poholke, Mackay, Hartigan, Crocker, Taylor, Keays, Wilson, Himmelburg

Best 22

Brown Talia Doedee
Laird McAsey Milera
Smith Crouch Seedsman
ROB Sloane Jones
Lynch Walker McHenry
Stengle Fogarty Davis
Schoenberg Atkins Frampton
Hamill

Hollands, Thilthorpe, Worrall, O’Connor, Edwards, Newchurch, Sholl, Gollant, McPherson, Butts, McAdam, Pick 15, Galluci

 

[1970crow]

Both us and Port will be gone from the SANFL and will be back to splitting up our players throughout the 8 SANFL clubs

If we can afford it, surely they’ll have us. I guess there’s a quality issue with the SANFL salary cap getting cut???

 

[skam85]

I'd have three less on the keep list from your choices.

Himmelberg over Frampton.

Brown is done AND Keays doesn't make any team in the comp's 35.

Not sure which 2 players replace those spots, would have to look at the options.

Brown is done? What?

 

[crows dude]

I'd have three less on the keep list from your choices.

Himmelberg over Frampton.

Brown is done AND Keays doesn't make any team in the comp's 35.

Not sure which 2 players replace those spots, would have to look at the options.

Frampton is a better mark, better ruck and better kick fir goal

 

[1970crow]

Rather than cut list sizes which has flow on effect to state league sides, I’d drop the footy dept cap by $2m. Less coaches and the rest of the add ons won’t change the contest on the ground or the value of tv rights or attendances.

 

[Mego Red]

Rather than cut list sizes which has flow on effect to state league sides, I’d drop the footy dept cap by $2m. Less coaches and the rest of the add ons won’t change the contest on the ground or the value of tv rights or attendances.

They'll be doing that anyway.

 

[1970crow]

They'll be doing that anyway.

I think list sizes are about right given reserve teams and injury cover. I think the TPP takes a haircut as well. Maybe for each list spot dropped its added to the rookie list. $50k base wage. I’m sure a fair portion of the 10 to be cut off each list would jump at a $50k rookie spot before having to enter the ordinary workforce. Especially in a depressed economy. I’d be cutting everywhere else before I look at the actual size of lists.

 

[baldandbroke]

Brown is done? What?

He is not the glove he used to be. He has lost speed, he has lost power.

Frampton is a better mark, better ruck and better kick fir goal

Frampton does not know how to even spell pressure. I think Himmelberg is better in the ruck ... the other two factors I don't think either have shown much at AFL Level. They are both young so give them time I guess ... but at 21 I still more upside in Elliot.

 

[Thetrader15]

Gibbs and Mackay the only ones. Tex, talia and Smith 30 this year

I wonder what Brodie Smith would get in a trade

 

[Thetrader15]

Rather than cut list sizes which has flow on effect to state league sides, I’d drop the footy dept cap by $2m. Less coaches and the rest of the add ons won’t change the contest on the ground or the value of tv rights or attendances.

Rather than cutting list sizes, I'd just cut the average wage of the players while keeping the min wage the same

 

[Thetrader15]

My turn, including players I'd be looking to trade (pending offers, would be ok to keep)

SQUAD
No.1 - Chayce Jones
No.2 - Brad Crouch
No.4 - Lachlan Murphy
No.5 - Matt Crouch
No.7 - Andrew McPherson
No.9 - Rory Sloane
No.11 - Paul Seedsman
No.12 - Daniel Talia
No.13 - Taylor Walker
No.16 - Luke Brown
No.17 - Will Hamill
No.18 - Tyson Stengle
No.21 - Rory Atkins (TRADE)
No.22 - Billy Frampton
No.23 - Shane McAdam
No.24 - Josh Worrell
No.25 - Ned McHenry
No.26 - Harry Schoenberg
No.27 - Tom Lynch
No.29 - Rory Laird
No.30 - Wayne Milera Junior
No.32 - Darcy Fogarty
No.33 - Brodie Smith (TRADE)
No.35 - Fischer McAsey
No.37 - Ronin O’Connor
No.38 - Lachlan Sholl
No.39 - Tom Doedee
No.40 - Lachlan Gollant
No.41 - Jordon Butts
No.43 - Reilly O’Brien

CUTS
No.3 - Riley Knight
No.6 - Bryce Gibbs
No.8 - Jake Kelly
No.10 - Myles Poholke
No.14 - David Mackay
No.15 - Kyle Hartigan
No.20 - Ben Davis
No.28 - Ben Keays
No.31 - Patrick Wilson
No.34 - Elliott Himmelberg
No.36 - Jordan Gallucci
No.44 - Ben Crocker
No.45 - Kieran Strachan

 

[1990crow]

My turn, including players I'd be looking to trade (pending offers, would be ok to keep)

SQUAD
No.1 - Chayce Jones
No.2 - Brad Crouch
No.4 - Lachlan Murphy
No.5 - Matt Crouch
No.7 - Andrew McPherson
No.9 - Rory Sloane
No.11 - Paul Seedsman
No.12 - Daniel Talia
No.13 - Taylor Walker
No.16 - Luke Brown
No.17 - Will Hamill
No.18 - Tyson Stengle
No.21 - Rory Atkins (TRADE)
No.22 - Billy Frampton
No.23 - Shane McAdam
No.24 - Josh Worrell
No.25 - Ned McHenry
No.26 - Harry Schoenberg
No.27 - Tom Lynch
No.29 - Rory Laird
No.30 - Wayne Milera Junior
No.32 - Darcy Fogarty
No.33 - Brodie Smith (TRADE)
No.35 - Fischer McAsey
No.37 - Ronin O’Connor
No.38 - Lachlan Sholl
No.39 - Tom Doedee
No.40 - Lachlan Gollant
No.41 - Jordon Butts
No.43 - Reilly O’Brien

CUTS
No.3 - Riley Knight
No.6 - Bryce Gibbs
No.8 - Jake Kelly
No.10 - Myles Poholke
No.14 - David Mackay
No.15 - Kyle Hartigan
No.20 - Ben Davis
No.28 - Ben Keays
No.31 - Patrick Wilson
No.34 - Elliott Himmelberg
No.36 - Jordan Gallucci
No.44 - Ben Crocker
No.45 - Kieran Strachan

Davis?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

My turn, including players I'd be looking to trade (pending offers, would be ok to keep)

SQUAD
No.1 - Chayce Jones
No.2 - Brad Crouch
No.4 - Lachlan Murphy
No.5 - Matt Crouch
No.7 - Andrew McPherson
No.9 - Rory Sloane
No.11 - Paul Seedsman
No.12 - Daniel Talia
No.13 - Taylor Walker
No.16 - Luke Brown
No.17 - Will Hamill
No.18 - Tyson Stengle
No.21 - Rory Atkins (TRADE)
No.22 - Billy Frampton
No.23 - Shane McAdam
No.24 - Josh Worrell
No.25 - Ned McHenry
No.26 - Harry Schoenberg
No.27 - Tom Lynch
No.29 - Rory Laird
No.30 - Wayne Milera Junior
No.32 - Darcy Fogarty
No.33 - Brodie Smith (TRADE)
No.35 - Fischer McAsey
No.37 - Ronin O’Connor
No.38 - Lachlan Sholl
No.39 - Tom Doedee
No.40 - Lachlan Gollant
No.41 - Jordon Butts
No.43 - Reilly O’Brien

CUTS
No.3 - Riley Knight
No.6 - Bryce Gibbs
No.8 - Jake Kelly
No.10 - Myles Poholke
No.14 - David Mackay
No.15 - Kyle Hartigan
No.20 - Ben Davis
No.28 - Ben Keays
No.31 - Patrick Wilson
No.34 - Elliott Himmelberg
No.36 - Jordan Gallucci
No.44 - Ben Crocker
No.45 - Kieran Strachan

That would be our entire 2016 draft gone. No rookies left from hat year. Throw in McPherson from 2017 if he doesn't shape physically.

 

[Apsaalooke]

That would be our entire 2016 draft gone. No rookies left from hat year. Throw in McPherson from 2017 if he doesn't shape physically.

The 2016 draft was an unmitigated disaster, worse than the Tippett sanction years.

 

[Thetrader15]

The 2016 draft was an unmitigated disaster, worse than the Tippett sanction years.

It wasn't the strongest draft except for the first 6 or so picks and couple of mature aged later picks (Tom Stewart, MBD, Luke Ryan). Here is the first 3 rounds by club. I'd say we were in a big group of clubs (Collingwood, GC, Melbourne, North, WC) who were underwhelming.

Geelong did the best IMO with their picks, while Brisbane, Richmond and Sydney close behind

 

[Thetrader15]

Davis?

Hasn't shown much - McPherson gets another year purely due to injury.

IMO, Gallucci is still ahead of Davis

 

[1990crow]

Hasn't shown much - McPherson gets another year purely due to injury.

IMO, Gallucci is still ahead of Davis

Player in our current best 22..

 

[Thetrader15]

Player in our current best 22..

Well yeah, he played this first game. Don't go bagging Gibbs or Frampton, they're best 22 as well

 

[Redline]

My turn, including players I'd be looking to trade (pending offers, would be ok to keep)

SQUAD
No.1 - Chayce Jones
No.2 - Brad Crouch
No.4 - Lachlan Murphy
No.5 - Matt Crouch
No.7 - Andrew McPherson
No.9 - Rory Sloane
No.11 - Paul Seedsman
No.12 - Daniel Talia
No.13 - Taylor Walker
No.16 - Luke Brown
No.17 - Will Hamill
No.18 - Tyson Stengle
No.21 - Rory Atkins (TRADE)
No.22 - Billy Frampton
No.23 - Shane McAdam
No.24 - Josh Worrell
No.25 - Ned McHenry
No.26 - Harry Schoenberg
No.27 - Tom Lynch
No.29 - Rory Laird
No.30 - Wayne Milera Junior
No.32 - Darcy Fogarty
No.33 - Brodie Smith (TRADE)
No.35 - Fischer McAsey
No.37 - Ronin O’Connor
No.38 - Lachlan Sholl
No.39 - Tom Doedee
No.40 - Lachlan Gollant
No.41 - Jordon Butts
No.43 - Reilly O’Brien

CUTS
No.3 - Riley Knight
No.6 - Bryce Gibbs
No.8 - Jake Kelly
No.10 - Myles Poholke
No.14 - David Mackay
No.15 - Kyle Hartigan
No.20 - Ben Davis
No.28 - Ben Keays
No.31 - Patrick Wilson
No.34 - Elliott Himmelberg
No.36 - Jordan Gallucci
No.44 - Ben Crocker
No.45 - Kieran Strachan

I think you are fairly close to the mark with this list. Sure there are a few guys who could make it being cut but there won't be space for potential players who are just going to be average players. Basically we will need our best 26 with the rest being young talent.

I think Kelly will stay and probably Davis with McPherson and Tex dropping out. McAdam and Stengle would need to show something this year to keep their spots if some on the cut list found form.

 

[Mego Red]

What I actually think will happen is a staggered reduction in list numbers over three years, and next year will be reduced to 37 and 3 rookie (the rookie list staying for a couple of years to help clubs phase out players with multi-year contracts). I'm assuming all clubs will be able to move players from their main list to the rookie list - again, due to list management issues with contracts signed pre-COVID.

We have four picks in the first 30, so I think we keep those. I also think we re-sign Brad Crouch on the cheap. I haven't done any crazy trades or anything - i.e. Laird or Lynch being traded - mostly because I don't think much will happen this off-season. I do want us to do what we need to so we can get Jackson Hately.

SQUAD
No.1 - Chayce Jones
No.2 - Brad Crouch
No.4 - Lachlan Murphy
No.5 - Matt Crouch
No.7 - Jordan Gallucci
No.9 - Rory Sloane
No.11 - Paul Seedsman
No.12 - Daniel Talia
No.13 - Taylor Walker
No.16 - Luke Brown
No.17 - Will Hamill
No.18 - Tyson Stengle
No.21 - Rory Atkins
No.22 - Billy Frampton
No.23 - Shane McAdam
No.24 - Josh Worrell
No.25 - Ned McHenry
No.26 - Harry Schoenberg
No.27 - Tom Lynch
No.29 - Rory Laird
No.30 - Wayne Milera Junior
No.32 - Darcy Fogarty
No.33 - Brodie Smith
No.35 - Fischer McAsey
No.37 - Ronin O’Connor
No.38 - Lachlan Sholl
No.39 - Tom Doedee
No.40 - Ben Davis
No.41 - Jordon Butts
No.43 - Reilly O’Brien
No.45 - Kieran Strachan

TBD - Draft pick 1
TBD - Draft pick 2
TBD - Draft pick 3
TBD - Delisted Free Agent signing 1
TBD - Luke Edwards
TBD - Jackson Hately

ROOKIE
Rook 1 -
No.36 - Andrew McPherson
No.44 - Lachlan Gollant

CUTS
No.3 - Riley Knight
No.6 - Bryce Gibbs
No.8 - Jake Kelly
No.10 - Myles Poholke
No.14 - David Mackay
No.15 - Kyle Hartigan
No.20 - Ben Crocker
No.28 - Ben Keays
No.31 - Patrick Wilson
No.34 - Elliott Himmelberg

 

[Mutineer]

What I actually think will happen is a staggered reduction in list numbers over three years, and next year will be reduced to 37 and 3 rookie (the rookie list staying for a couple of years to help clubs phase out players with multi-year contracts). I'm assuming all clubs will be able to move players fom their main list to the rookie list - again, due to list management issues with contracts signed pre-COVID.

We have four picks in the first 30, so I think we keep those. I also think we re-sign Brad Crouch on the cheap. I haven't done any crazy trades or anything - i.e. Laird or Lynch being traded - mostly because I don't think much will happen this off-season. I do want us to do what we need to so we can get Jackson Hately.

SQUAD
No.1 - Chayce Jones
No.2 - Brad Crouch
No.4 - Lachlan Murphy
No.5 - Matt Crouch
No.7 - Jordan Gallucci
No.9 - Rory Sloane
No.11 - Paul Seedsman
No.12 - Daniel Talia
No.13 - Taylor Walker
No.16 - Luke Brown
No.17 - Will Hamill
No.18 - Tyson Stengle
No.21 - Rory Atkins
No.22 - Billy Frampton
No.23 - Shane McAdam
No.24 - Josh Worrell
No.25 - Ned McHenry
No.26 - Harry Schoenberg
No.27 - Tom Lynch
No.29 - Rory Laird
No.30 - Wayne Milera Junior
No.32 - Darcy Fogarty
No.33 - Brodie Smith
No.35 - Fischer McAsey
No.37 - Ronin O’Connor
No.38 - Lachlan Sholl
No.39 - Tom Doedee
No.40 - Ben Davis
No.41 - Jordon Butts
No.43 - Reilly O’Brien
No.45 - Kieran Strachan

TBD - Draft pick 1
TBD - Draft pick 2
TBD - Draft pick 3
TBD - Delisted Free Agent signing 1
TBD - Luke Edwards
TBD - Jackson Hately

ROOKIE
Rook 1 -
No.36 - Andrew McPherson
No.44 - Lachlan Gollant

CUTS
No.3 - Riley Knight
No.6 - Bryce Gibbs
No.8 - Jake Kelly
No.10 - Myles Poholke
No.14 - David Mackay
No.15 - Kyle Hartigan
No.20 - Ben Crocker
No.28 - Ben Keays
No.31 - Patrick Wilson
No.34 - Elliott Himmelberg

Gollant is on an automatic 2 year draftee contract is he not?

 

[kulak]

He is not the glove he used to be. He has lost speed, he has lost power.


Frampton does not know how to even spell pressure. I think Himmelberg is better in the ruck ... the other two factors I don't think either have shown much at AFL Level. They are both young so give them time I guess ... but at 21 I still more upside in Elliot.

Wow I thought I was the Luke Brown pessimist. Agree will be useless as soon as he loses a yard of pace but I haven’t seen signs of that yet.

Regardless since he’s now contracted until the end of 2023 I doubt he is a delist candidate.

 

[Redline]

Wow I thought I was the Luke Brown pessimist. Agree will be useless as soon as he loses a yard of pace but I haven’t seen signs of that yet.

Regardless since he’s now contracted until the end of 2023 I doubt he is a delist candidate.

Agree, Brown is not going anywhere and Kelly won't either unless he is traded. He is a regular in our best 22 and still under contract.

 

[Mego Red]

Gollant is on an automatic 2 year draftee contract is he not?

Yep, hence being slid to the rookie list. I think you'll see a few contracted players moving to rookie in the offseason - GCS have 41 signed players for 2021, I think.

You could keep him on the main list and move someone else to the rookie - it's really just an admin question.

 

[Mutineer]

Yep, hence being slid to the rookie list. I think you'll see a few contracted players moving to rookie in the offseason - GCS have 41 signed players for 2021, I think.

You could keep him on the main list and move someone else to the rookie - it's really just an admin question.

So you can downgrade a new draftee on a 2 year initial contract to the rookie list after only 1 season?

I wasn't aware of that. Surely it would have to be mutually agreed?