DT Rucks 2012

[Sunny_]

Can the Berger hold up for another season on his own as the main ruck? I think he's currently played 2 full seasons nearly un-interupted.

Fingers crossed he can keep it up, but I'm a little nervous that his body might start to shake a little. How long have rucks gone without injury after playing consecutive games before they start to get injured? Just out of curiosity. Haven't been around the game long enough to know.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Darren Jolly missed something like 3 games in 6 seasons before this year.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Unless Sandi gets back to full fitness, Leuenberger's the best choice of a premium ruck who could improve even further IMO. Mumford will be in basically the same situation as he was this year, whereas Leuenberger is likely to spend more time in the ruck with McKeever or whoever as back up than he did with Clark as back-up.

 

[Quigley]

Hudson was acquired by the Lions from the Bulldogs. Hudson was the number 1 ruck there last year by a fair margin.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Hudson was the number 1 ruck there last year by a fair margin.

Speaking of fair margins, there's certainly a fair margin between Will Minson and Matthew Leuenberger.

I doubt Hudson would be any more than depth. He won't overtake Leuenberger and he doesn't have the mobility to play second ruck along with another position like a McKeever.

 

[Keystone agony]

Speaking of fair margins, there's certainly a fair margin between Will Minson and Matthew Leuenberger.

I doubt Hudson would be any more than depth. He won't overtake Leuenberger and he doesn't have the mobility to play second ruck along with another position like a McKeever.

Completely agree

Purely backup, if Leuy was to go down without Hudson they may aswell throw Black in the ruck.

 

[borrat]

Speaking of fair margins, there's certainly a fair margin between Will Minson and Matthew Leuenberger.

I doubt Hudson would be any more than depth. He won't overtake Leuenberger and he doesn't have the mobility to play second ruck along with another position like a McKeever.

this and im sure longer will get a go next season but of course wont be d/t relevent for about 3 years

 

[Oliver King]

Will be continuing with Leuenberger next year, after having him this season. Hopefully he can take another step up.

Seems to be plenty of options for the top ruck spots. Kruezer (Ruck/Fwd?) perhaps? More likely will get either Goldstein or Mumford.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'm going to keep an eye on Rhys Stanley during the Pre-season.
If it becomes clear that he's backup ruck for Ben McEvoy I'm thinking McEvoy, Giles, Stanley (F/R) and another good ruck ( Mumford or Lleuenberger or Goldstein ).

Then I can have K Tippet or Kruezer as R/F in the forward line.

 

[Quigley]

I'm going to keep an eye on Rhys Stanley during the Pre-season.
If it becomes clear that he's backup ruck for Ben McEvoy I'm thinking McEvoy, Giles, Stanley (F/R) and another good ruck ( Mumford or Lleuenberger or Goldstein ).

Then I can have K Tippet or Kruezer as R/F in the forward line.

Links might be a bit harder to find this year.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Links might be a bit harder to find this year.

Is there a system to how the Players are branded? Sometimes it seems pretty Random.

 

[Quigley]

I think CD work it out based on where they get their possessions on the ground. I could be wrong but that is my understanding.

In the prospectus promo it has Clark and Tippett as changing to forwards only.

 

[stkildathunda]

Jonathon Giles averaged 92DT/115SC last year according to Prospectus Sneak Peek!!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Jonathon Giles averaged 92DT/115SC last year according to Prospectus Sneak Peek!!

Surely the points they get in the lower level comp's are almost useless to us at the moment though.

I can still remember when Rix was on the StKilda list, he was a terrific ruck in the VFL ( and is currently great in the WAFL ) but just couldn't do it at AFL level.

 

[Ess_don]

Whats everyone's opinion re: McEvoy vs Mumford?
Both produced similar averages this year and have the scope for improvement with the number 1 ruck duties tied up.

Mummy is older and should be closer to his "prime" and if Swans continue with their stoppage heavy game style, he can rack up a ton of pts just through hitouts like this year. Also can lay a number of handy tackles.

McEvoy I didnt really pay attention to until the 2nd half of the year when I picked him up (and appeared to tire towards the end) but looking at his numbers seems quite consistent and just gets the job done. Another full preseason might see him be more comfortable being the number 1 ruck and run out the season strongly.

Both Stk and Swans have either GC or GWS twice, but then again a team's overall strength doesnt always correlate with their ruck division and therefore scoring cannot be easily predicted by simply looking at their opponents.

Could just grab both as their byes dont clash, but want Leuy/Sandi as my number 1 ruck..

 

[Quigley]

I am considering both and its hard to split them. I am possibly leaning a little to McEvoy based on two things:

- Mumford tends to get knicked up a fair bit with his game style and can miss a game here and there. He is reasonably durable but does miss 3 or so games each year.

- Mumford has better support and if Sydney wanted to reduce his workload they are better able to do so by giving more time to Seaby or Pyke. They could also easily rest him and give the other two a game. The Saints have no-one else and have to play McEvoy and play him a lot.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I always try to pick a value Rucks.

Two years ago I started with Lleuenberger and McIntosh, both reported to be in good form at the start of the season at bargain prices. I was very happy with them both.
Last Year McEvoy was a clear choice with Michael Gardiner injured at the start of the season and I also got onto the bargain priced Cox.

I'm not so sure there is anyone in that category this year.
Mumford would probably be a good safe choice. Though I'm not sure he gets as much around the ground as McEvoy ( Mumford wins more hitouts though ).
Will Sandilands put together a full season? He's cheap but not enough that its no risk.

Sam Jacobs might be one to watch.
Trent West , depending on what they look like doing ruckwise.
Maybe Max Bailey and Darren Jolly if they have good pre-seasons.

 

[Quigley]

Jacobs is not cheap and has a round 11 bye which is inconvenient.

 

[Docker Dolph]

In addition to hitouts Mumford scores well with tackles which eases the advantage McEvoy has around the ground. I'm not sure McEvoy has much of an advantage in that regard anyway.

I also think Mumford has a higher ceiling both in terms of average and a one off score. I remember him scoring very well against me a couple of times late in the year. He can chuck out a 130+ whereas I don't think McEvoy has the same potential for that.

I had McEvoy last year and was happy with him but Mum's the word for me at this stage.

I was considering Jacobs until I looked at his score chart for last year more closely. He has the potential to do well but I don't think he's a good bet yet.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

In addition to hitouts Mumford scores well with tackles which eases the advantage McEvoy has around the ground. I'm not sure McEvoy has much of an advantage in that regard anyway.

I also think Mumford has a higher ceiling both in terms of average and a one off score. I remember him scoring very well against me a couple of times late in the year. He can chuck out a 130+ whereas I don't think McEvoy has the same potential for that.

I had McEvoy last year and was happy with him but Mum's the word for me at this stage.

I was considering Jacobs until I looked at his score chart for last year more closely. He has the potential to do well but I don't think he's a good bet yet.

Yeah not sure. McEvoy not far behind in tackle count ( though I'd rather get hit by a McEvoy tackle than a Mumford tackle ), and may improve rapidly at his age.
Mumford had a few niggles mid year, which may mean he is at a bit of a discount compared to his potential.

 

[Docker Dolph]

Definitely not a slam dunk but Mummy edges out McEvoy for me. Grabbing both wouldn't be a bad call either if set and forget is the aim.

 

[Keystone agony]

How will the doggies ruck department go, they probably will be changing it through the year and have 3 numner 1 ruck potentials maybe 4 with Cordy. (Minson, Roughead and Campbell).

 

[mezaire]

I think CD work it out based on where they get their possessions on the ground. I could be wrong but that is my understanding.

In the prospectus promo it has Clark and Tippett as changing to forwards only.

I thought I saw both Clark and Kruezer as R/F's??

If so could be worth a look.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Im not sold on him as a 3rd ruck but ill happily have him as my lock in 4th ruck.

Hes backup IMO. Geelong have guys like Simpson and West who showed in the past year they are more than capable of being the NO 1 rucks. Vardy as well waiting in the wings may not be ready for round 1 but will get time later on.

Also i dont know alot about the BIG O, but West and Vardy are very capable 3rd tall forwards/resting rucks.

He's not backup. You don't draft a 29 year old for backup, Hocking was pretty clear this week, as clear as you can be in December, this week, that he'll start in round one, and if his form is good enough he'll play a lot of footy from there.

West will play that prototype forward/ruck role well again, Vardy's injury issue (hip) is pretty uncertain and they won't rush him back (and when they do bring him back they'll probably keep him out of the ruck for a while), and if they thought Simpson was capable of playing 20 games they wouldn't have drafted Orren. I'm not sold on his scoring, but JS wise he looks pretty good. Fairly solid 4th ruck option on the cheap.

More broadly, I'm with Quigley, Sandi with the injury risk isn't a lock for me at that price, and Mumford/McEvoy is pretty even. I think I may lean to McEvoy due to the fact he's likely to get rested less, as the Saints have few other options, whereas if Sydney are smart and realise how important Mumford is for them in September they'll probably use Seaby to do some donkey work against the lower ranked sides and rest Mumford for those games.

 

[Quigley]

Mumford is the better player but McEvoy has the better DT situation.