Duncan, Parker, Simpkin, Duryea, Suckling - Go down in history as unluckiest premiership winners?

[Bardo State]

Duryea will go down as like the best back pocket to have played the game so don't think he'll mind.

 

[Hawkboy62]

Whatever! Fairly inane question. Would be good to poll the first emergency for each of the matches. & duck for cover.

Will probably be highlight of Simpkin's career, and hopefully for Duncan & Parker too. Anyway, Duryea & Suckling have 2 each & building so they are probably not too worried.

 

[nowhereneargeelong]

Poor buggers...

BTW go watch Duncan's running goal from 50 and remove him from that list!!

 

[Severe]

Yeah I bet they're really upset about it.

You really feel for them don't you. Poor lads.

 

[Hammer#8]

Aaron Shattock and Beau McDonald didn't even touch the ball in the 2002 GF.

Cameron Mooney didn't either in his GF win with North.

I doubt any of those three, or the five subs, care about that.

Mooney later looked on it as being selected in the best team of the year at a young age despite having no impact. Still something you'd be proud to tell your grandkids.

Another unlucky one was JPod in 2011, dislocated his shoulder in the first quarter.

 

[Gold Member]

Op lists 5 players with 7 premierships between them.

Cry me a river.

 

[mopsy]

I grew up in the age of the 19th and 20th man.They usually only got a go if an injury happened or very late in games.

 

[Milux]

Aaron Shattock and Beau McDonald didn't even touch the ball in the 2002 GF.

Cameron Mooney didn't either in his GF win with North.

I doubt any of those three, or the five subs, care about that.

It blows me away to think that any player can go through a game without touching the ball. At least once. Mcdonald might have been injured i cant remember and shattock is just well shattock.

 

[schmuttt]

WTF is this thread

Unlucky is Daniel Menzel, Alex Johnson, Jack Trengove.

 

[Jack2Jack]

You could argue if the sub rule didn't come in that maybe (maybe not) some of those guys mightn't have played at all. Clubs might have elected an extra tall or something else rather than hoping the 'small mid/flanker' sub coming on late to give some run.

The Mcglynn/Whitecross/Menzel/Presti's who get injured in the finals before a GF would be pretty happy to have a 'sub' premiership.

 

[Furn2]

Prior to 1998 the 22nd player would have been sitting in the stands.

 

[Borderline]

May as well ask James Podsiadly and Clark Keating (I think it was him) if they feel part of the premiership team after going off the field injured early in the first half?

Dumb thread, if you were in the 22 on the day you're part of it.

 

[Mr Mediocracy]

in 2014 Doc had more running bounces in his 20 minutes of game time than Sydney did in the whole game. In addition, he had a solid 2015 grand final as well, so I'm sure he's pretty happy with himself.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I have completely wiped my memory from a pitiful performance at a warm Saturday afternoon in September were an event allegedly occurred.

 

[Gunstall555]

I have no idea what you're talking about. I have completely wiped my memory from a pitiful performance at a warm Saturday afternoon in September were an event allegedly occurred.

happy to provide you with a refresher, Doc also had a larger impact in the 20 minutes he played than the likes of Jetta, Rohan and your captain McVeigh.

 

[Mr Mediocracy]

happy to provide you with a refresher, Doc also had a larger impact in the 20 minutes he played than the likes of Jetta, Rohan and your captain McVeigh.

Nah mate I'm ok thanks. Was bad enough watching it live.

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

Poor buggers...

BTW go watch Duncan's running goal from 50 and remove him from that list!!

Duncan had a gammy leg as well, so halve his medal for replacing Pods, then multiply by 70% because he wasn't all fit, so roughly a third of a medal will do it for you Duncs....

 

[Mad_Hatter]

WTF is this thread

Unlucky is Daniel Menzel, Alex Johnson, Jack Trengove.

And Matty Egan.
Career ending injury in the last round of 2007.
Cats go on to break finals records.

 

[kneecapper]

It's probably another discussion, but now that the sub rule is gone I think any players that played senior footy in the premiereship year should get a medal. It's ridiculous that a player could play every H&A game and 2-3 finals and not be eligible because he was injured or suspended before the GF.

From this point on each senior selection has contributed at least one full game to the overall premiereship campaign.

 

[RUNVS]

It's probably another discussion, but now that the sub rule is gone I think any players that played senior footy in the premiereship year should get a medal. It's ridiculous that a player could play every H&A game and 2-3 finals and not be eligible because he was injured or suspended before the GF.

From this point on each senior selection has contributed at least one full game to the overall premiereship campaign.

I think Everitt fits this bill perfectly in that I remember a game against Geelong in 2012 where the game was on the line and Everitt played a brilliant last quarter as the sub, also kicking the winning goal. If not for that performance the Swans might very well of not won the flag that year.

 

[cryptor]

Not much different to a player playing a full game and either not having much (or any) impact or missing most of the game through an injury sustained early.

They were all there on the day and contributed in some way both on that day and in the season leading up to it.

Given the way lists are managed in the modern era (ie. Utilising depth of list) the truly unlucky ones are the guys who contribute a lot during the season and other finals but then miss out on that one game. Hartung and Whitecross the two big ones for the Hawks right now.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

2011 - Mitch Duncan
2012 - Luke Parker
2013 - Jonathan Simpkin
2014 - Taylor Duryea
2015 - Matthew Suckling

These were the guys that were the subs in the Grand Final winning teams. They have that dubious honour and for several of them they only came onto the field for essentially the last quarter and as a result had a minimal impact on the outcome of the game. Had the sub rule not been in place at all then these players would have played a full game but instead because they were subs at the end of the game I suspect more than a few of them were not even tired.

So because they were subs and did not play for a large portion of their grand finals, having reasonably minimal impact on the outcomes of their games, do you think they feel like they might look back on these years and think they were not quite as involved, and it was less their premiership than their 21 team mates?

The sub rule is gone in 2016 as well so these 5 guys will be the only ones who have been the sub and won the premiership, separating them from every premiership winning player for over 40 years.

Pretty sure Andy Collins only played the last qtr, or some of, in 1991. He'll still treasure the medal though I'm sure.

 

[kneecapper]

Not much different to a player playing a full game and either not having much (or any) impact or missing most of the game through an injury sustained early.

They were all there on the day and contributed in some way both on that day and in the season leading up to it.

Given the way lists are managed in the modern era (ie. Utilising depth of list) the truly unlucky ones are the guys who contribute a lot during the season and other finals but then miss out on that one game. Hartung and Whitecross the two big ones for the Hawks right now.

Out of interest, if all players that had a senior berth during the Hawthorn threepeat seasons were awarded a premiereship medallion how many additional medals would have been awarded?

 

[cryptor]

Out of interest, if all players that had a senior berth during the Hawthorn threepeat seasons were awarded a premiereship medallion how many additional medals would have been awarded?

I'm curious to know that too now you've asked. Had a look back, don't think I missed anyone here.

Players that played at least one senior game for Hawthorn without winning a premiership in '13-'15 were:
1. Jed Anderson
2. Sam Grimley
3. Luke Lowden
4. Shane Savage
5. Brendan Whitecross
6. Michael Osborne (played in '08)
7. Johnathon Ceglar
8. Tim O'Brien
9. Kyle Cheney
10. Jonathan O'Rourke
11. Derick Wanganeen
12. Billy Hartung
13. James Sicily
14. Ben Ross
15. Angus Litherland
16. Mitch Hallahan
17. Alex Woodward
18. Daniel Howe

Only Whitecross, Ceglar and Hartung have been really unlucky not to have played in a flag in this time.

 

[kneecapper]

I'm curious to know that too now you've asked. Had a look back, don't think I missed anyone here.

Players that played at least one senior game for Hawthorn without winning a premiership in '13-'15 were:
1. Jed Anderson
2. Sam Grimley
3. Luke Lowden
4. Shane Savage
5. Brendan Whitecross
6. Michael Osborne (played in '08)
7. Johnathon Ceglar
8. Tim O'Brien
9. Kyle Cheney
10. Jonathan O'Rourke
11. Derick Wanganeen
12. Billy Hartung
13. James Sicily
14. Ben Ross
15. Angus Litherland
16. Mitch Hallahan
17. Alex Woodward
18. Daniel Howe

Only Whitecross, Ceglar and Hartung have been really unlucky not to have played in a flag in this time.

Interesting, thanks! I don't think awarding ~6 extra medals per season to the players that made a contribution to each premiereship season is that outrageous, especially now that the sub rule is gone and top ups will be expected to play full games. Could be worth considering.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Aaron Shattock and Beau McDonald didn't even touch the ball in the 2002 GF.

Cameron Mooney didn't either in his GF win with North.

I doubt any of those three, or the five subs, care about that.

Beau McDonald played in 2002? Why the **** was Darryl White rucking then? It was Keatinf that went down early right?