EDFL Premier Discussion 2025

[Del233027]

Just a concerned parent why don't under 18s kids lose points if they play all year doe anyone know why this is seems very unfair

They need to play 40 junior games, not one season

 

[The Defender]

He may still be drafted, but just not with a father son selection.

Maybe that’s why Mick is continuing coaching. Unsure if he gets on a list & doesn’t want to put pressure on the kid.

 

[Turbos mail]

They need to play 40 junior games, not one season

Yeah 40 games to be 1 point but playing a year in 18s brings you down 1 point on your total points though. IE 3 down to 2.

 

[Doona2]

Just a concerned parent why don't under 18s kids lose points if they play all year doe anyone know why this is seems very unfair

Have asked this very question since returning to local footy 3 seasons back.
RDFNL 3rds footy doesn't go towards a reduction - the young lads need to play (I think) 4, maybe 5 reserves or senior games to drop a point the following season.

 

[leo tolstoy]

The recruiting of kids is bad enough at that age group, imagine the crap that would be going on if playing Under18s reduced a player’s points. And yes 5 games of senior/reserves (not doubling up with Under18s) to reduce a point.

 

[danger_wood]

flagrilla when are you guys announcing the new coach? You know how obsessed I am with Abers!

 

[phill1722]

Have asked this very question since returning to local footy 3 seasons back.
RDFNL 3rds footy doesn't go towards a reduction - the young lads need to play (I think) 4, maybe 5 reserves or senior games to drop a point the following season.

Yes a under 18 can play 5 games in the reserves or seniors and lose one point but if he plays all year in the under 18s he doesnt lose a point and they are better of playing 18s as it is a better standard than the resrves so what everyone is saying under 18s are juniors but they can vote please 18s have to be seniors so if they play 5 games in the 18s they will lose only 1 point for that year just makes sense

 

[Turbos mail]

Yes a under 18 can play 5 games in the reserves or seniors and lose one point but if he plays all year in the under 18s he doesnt lose a point and they are better of playing 18s as it is a better standard than the resrves so what everyone is saying under 18s are juniors but they can vote please 18s have to be seniors so if they play 5 games in the 18s they will lose only 1 point for that year just makes sense

Exactly and that’s how I thought it was. Senior program isn’t it.
Yet they recognise Coates league as being higher points players.

Flawed system

 

[phill1722]

Exactly and that’s how I thought it was. Senior program isn’t it.
Yet they recognise Coates league as being higher points players.

Flawed system

Don't understand what Coates league is

 

[HeadsOrTails]

Yes a under 18 can play 5 games in the reserves or seniors and lose one point but if he plays all year in the under 18s he doesnt lose a point and they are better of playing 18s as it is a better standard than the resrves so what everyone is saying under 18s are juniors but they can vote please 18s have to be seniors so if they play 5 games in the 18s they will lose only 1 point for that year just makes sense

This is the first I have heard reference to Reserves games qualifying for a point reduction for a player eligible to play U18.

Advice from the EDFL is that they view U18 as "underage" - so therefore the only Senior Firsts games qualify for a reduction - Reserves games don't count.

Is this accurate?

 

[The Longblow]

Might be a planned strategy by Collingwood and in turn a blessing in disguise for Thomas McGuane not to be taken as a father son by Collingwood. If he was taken as a father Son the scrutiny would be intense from the get go. Further to this where would he fit at Collingwood in the senior team?. He may well be better suited to going to a Richmond or North Melbourne were opportunity is plentiful and the fact that you are the son of a champion Collingwood player does not mean so much.
Whatever happens I think he deserves a chance when you look at some of the spuds running around on lists who couldn't get a kick in a mob fight.
Hopefully he will grow 2 inches and then bulk up and look out if that happens. Best wishes to the young man and it would also be nice for his father to be rewarded in some way for his contribution to local footy over many years and yes I know there is some controversary around that but regardless he has fronted up week after week for many many years ( in the same tracksuit ) and added a profile to various competitions that all clubs have benefited from to varying degrees.
I don't know the young fella but he seems to be a well presented and level young fella doing his best and working hard at it so good luck to him.

 

[phill1722]

This is the first I have heard reference to Reserves games qualifying for a point reduction for a player eligible to play U18.

Advice from the EDFL is that they view U18 as "underage" - so therefore the only Senior Firsts games qualify for a reduction - Reserves games don't count.

Is this accurate?

Ok If under 18s are juniors so if you move from a country town with your parents start under 16 you are a 3 point player then if you play the whole year under 16 then at least 2 years under 18s that's enough games 40 to be a 1 point player when you come to seniors but that's not happening in EDFL player 3 full seasons and you are still a 3 point doesn't compute to

This is the first I have heard reference to Reserves games qualifying for a point reduction for a player eligible to play U18.

Advice from the EDFL is that they view U18 as "underage" - so therefore the only Senior Firsts games qualify for a reduction - Reserves games don't count.

Is this accurate?

me can someone explain this

 

[Defendfirst]

This is the first I have heard reference to Reserves games qualifying for a point reduction for a player eligible to play U18.

Advice from the EDFL is that they view U18 as "underage" - so therefore the only Senior Firsts games qualify for a reduction - Reserves games don't count.

Is this accurate?

You need to play at least 5 games in seniors - otherwise it’s too easy to just stack up games in the reserves or thirds

 

[get it done]

Ok If under 18s are juniors so if you move from a country town with your parents start under 16 you are a 3 point player then if you play the whole year under 16 then at least 2 years under 18s that's enough games 40 to be a 1 point player when you come to seniors but that's not happening in EDFL player 3 full seasons and you are still a 3 point doesn't compute to


me can someone explain this

You need to play 40 junior games, the AFL states Under 17 and under, so under 18s doesn't count as junior games. A transfered junior will be three points, if they play 40 games before reaching under 18 they will become a one one pointer. If not they will need to play five senior games per year to drop a point. Reserves games do not count for points to drop.

 

[HeadsOrTails]

You need to play 40 junior games, the AFL states Under 17 and under, so and 18 doesn't count as junior games. A transfered junior will be three points, if they play 40 games before reaching under 18 they will become a pointer. If not they will need to play five senior games per year to drop a point. Reserves games do not count for points to drop.

This aligns to my understanding also.

As EDFL are even number grades, U16 is deemed the cutoff to achieve 40 game 1 point status - U18 games are not included in the 40 games total.

If a player has not reached 40 games by end U16, they can never achieve home club status, and will start their U18 on their current points which are allocated when they transferred to their current club (3 points or more).

To reduce a point they need to complete a season of service (play 5 senior games) - BUT.. U18 games don't count as senior games AND Reserves games don't count either if they are eligible for U18 as U18 is considered "underage" (which is a bit nonsensical as the 40 games cuts off at end U16, and U18's are considered part of the senior club..)

Only 5 Senior Firsts games in a season will enable these kids to reduce a point, otherwise their starting points will stay with them into the following season.

They will reduce to 1 point once they have played 5 continuous seasons with the club which can include junior years.

In many cases this means a 15 year old who moves house and therefore club (or for any other reason) will be burdoned with their starting points handicap until they are around 20 years old... Highly likely to restrict or prevent the commencement of their senior careers and mean they face a choice of accepting to play only U18 and then Reserves football for a number of years or move clubs to seek better opportunities.

A heck of a penalty for any young aspiring kid - in many cases due to forced club change outside of their control.

I am aware of many kids currently confused and confronting this exact situation. I have heard there is an AFL VIC review into the points system currently taking place but have no details on whether this is true, what aspects they are reviewing and when notification of any changes will be issued.

Does anybody have any details regards this review?

 

[Uptherox]

Saw that roxy signed a young bloke from Greenvale and was wondering if any of the premier watchers here has any thoughts on him. Jordan O'Dwyer. From what I can see won the comp 18.5 medal as a bottom age player. Seems a handy get

 

[Turbos mail]

This aligns to my understanding also.

As EDFL are even number grades, U16 is deemed the cutoff to achieve 40 game 1 point status - U18 games are not included in the 40 games total.

If a player has not reached 40 games by end U16, they can never achieve home club status, and will start their U18 on their current points which are allocated when they transferred to their current club (3 points or more).

To reduce a point they need to complete a season of service (play 5 senior games) - BUT.. U18 games don't count as senior games AND Reserves games don't count either if they are eligible for U18 as U18 is considered "underage" (which is a bit nonsensical as the 40 games cuts off at end U16, and U18's are considered part of the senior club..)

Only 5 Senior Firsts games in a season will enable these kids to reduce a point, otherwise their starting points will stay with them into the following season.

They will reduce to 1 point once they have played 5 continuous seasons with the club which can include junior years.

In many cases this means a 15 year old who moves house and therefore club (or for any other reason) will be burdoned with their starting points handicap until they are around 20 years old... Highly likely to restrict or prevent the commencement of their senior careers and mean they face a choice of accepting to play only U18 and then Reserves football for a number of years or move clubs to seek better opportunities.

A heck of a penalty for any young aspiring kid - in many cases due to forced club change outside of their control.

I am aware of many kids currently confused and confronting this exact situation. I have heard there is an AFL VIC review into the points system currently taking place but have no details on whether this is true, what aspects they are reviewing and when notification of any changes will be issued.

Does anybody have any details regards this review?

Play more reserved games than seniors over 3 years your only 2 points.

 

[HeadsOrTails]

Play more reserved games than seniors over 3 years your only 2 points.

This is the clause I've never really understood how it's applied for a kid as points are allocated when joining a club, and that starting allocation is only reduced by the seasons of service as far as I know.

So for an adult who is already playing seniors this is pretty easy to check when transferring clubs.

But take the example of the 15 year old transfer who hasn't reached seniors yet - they come over at 3 points + any penalty points (all junior transfers are set at this).

How/ when does the more ressies than seniors rule affect them?

 

[footy2016]

Saw that roxy signed a young bloke from Greenvale and was wondering if any of the premier watchers here has any thoughts on him. Jordan O'Dwyer. From what I can see won the comp 18.5 medal as a bottom age player. Seems a handy get

Played 3 reserve games In a poor greenvale side, couldn’t crack into seniors. Good recruit for Division 2 as has upside given age.

 

[phill1722]

This aligns to my understanding also.

As EDFL are even number grades, U16 is deemed the cutoff to achieve 40 game 1 point status - U18 games are not included in the 40 games total.

If a player has not reached 40 games by end U16, they can never achieve home club status, and will start their U18 on their current points which are allocated when they transferred to their current club (3 points or more).

To reduce a point they need to complete a season of service (play 5 senior games) - BUT.. U18 games don't count as senior games AND Reserves games don't count either if they are eligible for U18 as U18 is considered "underage" (which is a bit nonsensical as the 40 games cuts off at end U16, and U18's are considered part of the senior club..)

Only 5 Senior Firsts games in a season will enable these kids to reduce a point, otherwise their starting points will stay with them into the following season.

They will reduce to 1 point once they have played 5 continuous seasons with the club which can include junior years.

In many cases this means a 15 year old who moves house and therefore club (or for any other reason) will be burdoned with their starting points handicap until they are around 20 years old... Highly likely to restrict or prevent the commencement of their senior careers and mean they face a choice of accepting to play only U18 and then Reserves football for a number of years or move clubs to seek better opportunities.

A heck of a penalty for any young aspiring kid - in many cases due to forced club change outside of their control.

I am aware of many kids currently confused and confronting this exact situation. I have heard there is an AFL VIC review into the points system currently taking place but have no details on whether this is true, what aspects they are reviewing and when notification of any changes will be issued.

Does anybody have any details regards this review?

Great reply but how ridicule's is the system saying u18 are juniors but don't count for how many games you play at the club if the 18s are so called juniors then make the system work for these kids and if they want to call the 18s seniors then I don't care even if they play all18 games in the 18s they should lose at least one point give these boys a chance in my eyes someone has tried to rort the system and has stuffed this right up the AFL have to fix this up and give these boys have a chance or we will be lose these boys very quickly AFL have a good think about it.

 

[phill1722]

Know thinking about what people have said I do remember some clubs where routing the system by playing VFL players in there thirds so they would qualify them for there 5 games and this was knocked on the head so0know I am thinking they are classifying the 18s as clubs thirds which is not the case clubs can't rout this system through the 18s so AFL fix this up or give us a better understanding

 

[Del233027]

Great reply but how ridicule's is the system saying u18 are juniors but don't count for how many games you play at the club if the 18s are so called juniors then make the system work for these kids and if they want to call the 18s seniors then I don't care even if they play all18 games in the 18s they should lose at least one point give these boys a chance in my eyes someone has tried to rort the system and has stuffed this right up the AFL have to fix this up and give these boys have a chance or we will be lose these boys very quickly AFL have a good think about it.

Its to stop big clubs pillaging the best juniors from weaker clubs

 

[HeadsOrTails]

Great reply but how ridicule's is the system saying u18 are juniors but don't count for how many games you play at the club if the 18s are so called juniors then make the system work for these kids and if they want to call the 18s seniors then I don't care even if they play all18 games in the 18s they should lose at least one point give these boys a chance in my eyes someone has tried to rort the system and has stuffed this right up the AFL have to fix this up and give these boys have a chance or we will be lose these boys very quickly AFL have a good think about it.

Agree.

To highlight the injustice, based on current rules a young developing kid needs to play a minimum of 82 games to become a 1 point player (excluding finals games so could be much more)

A local senior player could theoretically become a 1 point player in as little as 10 games (or VFL player in 15 games) by being named in 5 games per season.

There are ample examples of clubs "gaming" the rules by targeting pre-U14 player recruits to ensure they have enough time to achieve 40 games by U16, or naming Senior players on team sheets just to get their 5 games in a season.

Remember, the introduction of the points system is for the purpose of assisting equalisation... Is this really what equalisation looks like?...

I'm actually surprised a local footy Journo hasn't picked this up and made a name for themselves.

 

[Del233027]

Sounds like the big clubs are annoyed that they cant pillage juniors from weaker clubs at under 18 level. Im sure if you moved from Swan hill at 16, and played 2 years of thirds at pacco, if you wrote to the edfl, theyd let the kid be a 1 pointer under the circumstances.

The top clubs are using your more likely to be seen by the xannons in our thirds. If you scrap the tac/Coates League, im not sure there would be a problem

 

[phill1722]

Agree.

To highlight the injustice, based on current rules a young developing kid needs to play a minimum of 82 games to become a 1 point player (excluding finals games so could be much more)

A local senior player could theoretically become a 1 point player in as little as 10 games (or VFL player in 15 games) by being named in 5 games per season.

There are ample examples of clubs "gaming" the rules by targeting pre-U14 player recruits to ensure they have enough time to achieve 40 games by U16, or naming Senior players on team sheets just to get their 5 games in a season.

Remember, the introduction of the points system is for the purpose of assisting equalisation... Is this really what equalisation looks like?...

I'm actually surprised a local footy Journo hasn't picked this up and made a name for themselves.

Again thank you for another great response hopefully someone takes this up because we are going to lose more kids if this system stays the way it is just give them a chance and I am not talking about the elite juniors they will make it's the one's who are late developer and still trying to tune there craft come on AFL fix this problem