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PSD Selection - Essendon - M.Lloyd - Avondale Heights Retirement Village Football Club
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News Essendon list changes (Update: Neagle and Atkinson delisted)
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Kong
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I'd believe he's run a PB; he would've dropped 5-10kg from his playing days.
I'd believe he's run a PB; he would've dropped 5-10kg from his playing days.
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Sad and painful truth is at 32, shot hammies and a year out of the game... he'd still be our best forward.
Sad and painful truth is at 32, shot hammies and a year out of the game... he'd still be our best forward.
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lol no he wouldn't.
lol no he wouldn't.
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He would but it's not going to happen. Lloyd's too smart for that.
He would but it's not going to happen. Lloyd's too smart for that.
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And Hurley.
And Hurley.
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ANd he is what 32? What more than a year would you get out of him? We all loved Lloyd but ffs, lets look forward not backward.
ANd he is what 32? What more than a year would you get out of him? We all loved Lloyd but ffs, lets look forward not backward.
Ben the Gooner
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Kerr '07. Best tagging game I've seen in the red and black, tbh. Sheeds masterstroke to ignore Judd and focus on Kerr, and Slatts gave him the absolute shits.
There's been a few more games which I'd argue he did well in, but there's your one example.
Did a good job on Priddis in the second half at Subi this year. Welsh got done by him, and Slatts got thrown the job and kept him much more quiet. Was decent without being spectacular on Sherman in Rd 21.
The point is, they need practise to get there. None of those have played as a tagger, so it'd take time to get them to that level.
He can claim it, because he's one of two players who have shown anything at AFL level as a tagger. Sure, anyone else may be better, but they have to prove that first.
Welsh, agreed. McVeigh, not anymore. NLM and Howlett aren't taggers and never will be.
Kerr '07. Best tagging game I've seen in the red and black, tbh. Sheeds masterstroke to ignore Judd and focus on Kerr, and Slatts gave him the absolute shits.
There's been a few more games which I'd argue he did well in, but there's your one example.
Did a good job on Priddis in the second half at Subi this year. Welsh got done by him, and Slatts got thrown the job and kept him much more quiet. Was decent without being spectacular on Sherman in Rd 21.
The point is, they need practise to get there. None of those have played as a tagger, so it'd take time to get them to that level.
He can claim it, because he's one of two players who have shown anything at AFL level as a tagger. Sure, anyone else may be better, but they have to prove that first.
Welsh, agreed. McVeigh, not anymore. NLM and Howlett aren't taggers and never will be.
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Lloyd would only be our best forward based on historical accolades alone.
The truth is, Monfries has more of a chance of kicking 40+ goals nowadays than Lloyd does.
Lloyd would only be our best forward based on historical accolades alone.
The truth is, Monfries has more of a chance of kicking 40+ goals nowadays than Lloyd does.
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This is why it's not even worthwhile engaging with house on that one topic.
"Even the supposed good games, he wasn't good", when he clearly was. It's a coloured perception.
Most people who disagree with how much certain blokes get selected can still give them the credit due.
Slattery murdered Griffen for 2 1/2 quarters IIRC. Dunno who he went onto when Griffen went down.
This is why it's not even worthwhile engaging with house on that one topic.
"Even the supposed good games, he wasn't good", when he clearly was. It's a coloured perception.
Most people who disagree with how much certain blokes get selected can still give them the credit due.
Slattery murdered Griffen for 2 1/2 quarters IIRC. Dunno who he went onto when Griffen went down.
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BTW you're all ****ed, Lloyd was barely our best forward in his last season, he's gotten better after a year out has he?
Davey's our best forward.
BTW you're all ****ed, Lloyd was barely our best forward in his last season, he's gotten better after a year out has he?
Davey's our best forward.
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Comon Slattery_20 - Davey our best forward? Not sure what you are basing that on...hes certainly our best 'tackler' in the forward 50, but havent seen him take too many pack marks....
Guys like Monfries & Neagle better in the air and have same goal average as Davey (1.4)
Hardingham (1.3 goals per game), M.Williams (1.2 goals per game), & Gumby (1.1 goals per game) all much stronger in a contested mark situation than Davey.
Davey - best tacking forward - sure - Davey - best forward - no way.
Comon Slattery_20 - Davey our best forward? Not sure what you are basing that on...hes certainly our best 'tackler' in the forward 50, but havent seen him take too many pack marks....
Guys like Monfries & Neagle better in the air and have same goal average as Davey (1.4)
Hardingham (1.3 goals per game), M.Williams (1.2 goals per game), & Gumby (1.1 goals per game) all much stronger in a contested mark situation than Davey.
Davey - best tacking forward - sure - Davey - best forward - no way.
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So Davey's expected to outmark Gumby? Is Gumby expected to out-tackle Davey?
In the abscence of a completely perfect prototype player who tackles, crumbs, leads, and takes pack marks - Davey's better at his job (tackle, crumb goals) than anyone else is at their varying jobs (ie Neagle's meant to take pack marks, Gumby's meant to lead up and spread the defense etc etc).
So Davey's expected to outmark Gumby? Is Gumby expected to out-tackle Davey?
In the abscence of a completely perfect prototype player who tackles, crumbs, leads, and takes pack marks - Davey's better at his job (tackle, crumb goals) than anyone else is at their varying jobs (ie Neagle's meant to take pack marks, Gumby's meant to lead up and spread the defense etc etc).
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Slattery_20 - you said Davey was our best forward - now your saying hes better at his job....
Hes not our best forward - he's injury prone, doesnt take enough contested marks, and gets pushed off the ball easily. Unfortunately he doesnt have much to compete against at this point in time, but Id have Monfries definately ahead of him at this point in time. Gumby would be worth more on the open market, and I believe that guys like M.Williams & Neagle could step up this year and be far more valuable to the Essendon FC than Davey. Lets face it - unless your 'freakish', small forwards are a dime a dozen.
Slattery_20 - you said Davey was our best forward - now your saying hes better at his job....
Hes not our best forward - he's injury prone, doesnt take enough contested marks, and gets pushed off the ball easily. Unfortunately he doesnt have much to compete against at this point in time, but Id have Monfries definately ahead of him at this point in time. Gumby would be worth more on the open market, and I believe that guys like M.Williams & Neagle could step up this year and be far more valuable to the Essendon FC than Davey. Lets face it - unless your 'freakish', small forwards are a dime a dozen.
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His job is as a forward, a crumbing & defensive pressure forward pocket, he plays in our forward line, that makes him a forward, yes??
IMHO in about the top 10 in his position in the league this year. No-one we have gets near that, compared to others.
You're bringing in a whole lot of other stuff (contested marking, potential, "value") which is all besides the point.
His job is as a forward, a crumbing & defensive pressure forward pocket, he plays in our forward line, that makes him a forward, yes??
IMHO in about the top 10 in his position in the league this year. No-one we have gets near that, compared to others.
You're bringing in a whole lot of other stuff (contested marking, potential, "value") which is all besides the point.
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I happen to agree based on '10. It's a sad state of affairs however and no one wants to accept it.
I happen to agree based on '10. It's a sad state of affairs however and no one wants to accept it.
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i get the feeling some on here take it as a loaded question when i say i honestly can't remember any examples of good tagging jobs by slatts, and are there any examples.....it's not....
....i'll take your word and take it on board that slatts has shown a bit more than i was aware of in his limited opportunities in tagging roles....i honestly can't say i've got a memory of them but i doubt you'd make it up.
i agree that a lot of the names i mentioned would take time, but i would also argue that now is the time to find out who can do what, and develop them accordingly.
still see no reason why mcveigh couldn't be decent as a defensive mid if he can get through a pre season, and nlm and howlett to me have the attributes and attitude to do pretty well in that sort of role too.....but as i said, i'll take it on board n hope he goes well if jimmy throws him in there.
i get the feeling some on here take it as a loaded question when i say i honestly can't remember any examples of good tagging jobs by slatts, and are there any examples.....it's not....
....i'll take your word and take it on board that slatts has shown a bit more than i was aware of in his limited opportunities in tagging roles....i honestly can't say i've got a memory of them but i doubt you'd make it up.
i agree that a lot of the names i mentioned would take time, but i would also argue that now is the time to find out who can do what, and develop them accordingly.
still see no reason why mcveigh couldn't be decent as a defensive mid if he can get through a pre season, and nlm and howlett to me have the attributes and attitude to do pretty well in that sort of role too.....but as i said, i'll take it on board n hope he goes well if jimmy throws him in there.
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what you're saying is actually complete bullshit, but that's fine....if you don't want to engage me on the topic then simply don't....stop bitching and whining and just stop.
all i asked was some practical examples that i clearly may have missed, and i got a couple and i'll take it on board....his best so far was by all accounts 4 seasons ago when the game was played a bit differently than 2010, but as i said, i'll take it on board that he has shown some potential there, and if jimmy gives him a crack i hope he can do it well.
what you're saying is actually complete bullshit, but that's fine....if you don't want to engage me on the topic then simply don't....stop bitching and whining and just stop.
all i asked was some practical examples that i clearly may have missed, and i got a couple and i'll take it on board....his best so far was by all accounts 4 seasons ago when the game was played a bit differently than 2010, but as i said, i'll take it on board that he has shown some potential there, and if jimmy gives him a crack i hope he can do it well.
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Agree with the bolded. I think someone threw up the idea of Quinn being a Clint Jones type tagger - I wouldn't be opposed to having him do that job in the VFL for 6 weeks, then see whether he's overtaken Welsh.
I think Slatts will start Rd 1 on Varcoe or Betts or L Thomas or Cyril or equivalent, and Welsh will go to Selwood or Judd or Swallow or Mitchell.
Re McVeigh, he's lost a lot of pace now, and there's no way I'd want him chasing Judd or Swan or Goddard. In defence it's slightly different because you can be a bit more zonal, but at stoppages, his pace renders him useless as a tagger. Slatts is much quicker, as are Welsh, Nat Rat, Howlett etc.
Perhaps there'll be occasional tagging jobs for him, but I don't think it's a long term position for him.
i get the feeling some on here take it as a loaded question when i say i honestly can't remember any examples of good tagging jobs by slatts, and are there any examples.....it's not....
....i'll take your word and take it on board that slatts has shown a bit more than i was aware of in his limited opportunities in tagging roles....i honestly can't say i've got a memory of them but i doubt you'd make it up.
i agree that a lot of the names i mentioned would take time, but i would also argue that now is the time to find out who can do what, and develop them accordingly.
still see no reason why mcveigh couldn't be decent as a defensive mid if he can get through a pre season, and nlm and howlett to me have the attributes and attitude to do pretty well in that sort of role too.....but as i said, i'll take it on board n hope he goes well if jimmy throws him in there.
Agree with the bolded. I think someone threw up the idea of Quinn being a Clint Jones type tagger - I wouldn't be opposed to having him do that job in the VFL for 6 weeks, then see whether he's overtaken Welsh.
I think Slatts will start Rd 1 on Varcoe or Betts or L Thomas or Cyril or equivalent, and Welsh will go to Selwood or Judd or Swallow or Mitchell.
Re McVeigh, he's lost a lot of pace now, and there's no way I'd want him chasing Judd or Swan or Goddard. In defence it's slightly different because you can be a bit more zonal, but at stoppages, his pace renders him useless as a tagger. Slatts is much quicker, as are Welsh, Nat Rat, Howlett etc.
Perhaps there'll be occasional tagging jobs for him, but I don't think it's a long term position for him.
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Cheeses, remember the last time Welsh played on Mitchell? F*** me dead!
P.S. The game has gone way past McVeigh.
Cheeses, remember the last time Welsh played on Mitchell? F*** me dead!
P.S. The game has gone way past McVeigh.
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