Fat Acceptance - Problem or not

[Catfish Alley]

The original title was talking about shaming.

 

[Gough]

Plenty of people are going to get a big ******* shock when they hit 40 or so.

I weigh less now than when I left school.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Plenty of people are going to get a big ******* shock when they hit 40 or so.

Do you mean they're going to find it hard to stay thin? Or do you mean their going to start having a lot of health problems due to their body carrying extra weight all these years?

 

[TheFreshBanana]

My physiology course earlier this year said that because we existed so long with food so scarce our bodies became exceptionally efficient at storing nutrients to in order to give us a better chance of surviving between meals.

Now we have an abundance of food and a lot of which is junk. So if you're sedentary and have a poor diet/high alcohol consumption there's a high chance you're going to be overweight.

It's partially a physiological problem, but mainly a personal choice issue.

Lol @ addiction.

Not sure what specific course you're doing, but in health care they consider a more holistic approach, rather than just on a physiological perspective.

Ever consider the neurologicaal perspective?

Functional neuroimaging studies have further revealed that good or great smelling, looking, tasting, and reinforcing food has characteristics similar to that of drugs of abuse. Many of the brain changes reported for hedonic eating and obesity are also seen in various forms of addictions. Most importantly, overeating and obesity may have an acquired drive like drug addiction with respect to motivation and incentive; craving, wanting, and liking occur after early and repeated exposures to stimuli. The acquired drive for great food and relative weakness of the satiety signal would cause an imbalance between the drive and hunger/reward centers in the brain and their regulation.

I can give you the link to the journal article if you want.

From a psychological perspective, there's the nurture side to it all. If someone was brought up with bad dietary habits by their parents, then they are obviously going to be fat. It's hard to change that ingrained habitual upbringing by sheer willpower.

And I haven't even gotten to the advertising side of it, where we are constantly having food shoved in our faces whether it's through billboards, magazines, social media, advertisements, cooking shows, movies, books, restaurants.

Oh and the social side too. It's a little difficult to avoid the temptation when heading out and everyone is drinking 6 pints or ordering a large fries.

Yeah, because we can have such ridiculous and strange addictions to the point they'll make a show out of it, but the idea of food addiction is laughable...

Funny. So stupid lol.

Oh btw, i probably barely scratched the surface when it comes to all the mitigating factors.

 

[Good_Old]

Not sure what specific course you're doing, but in health care they consider a more holistic approach, rather than just on a physiological perspective.

Ever consider the neurologicaal perspective?

Functional neuroimaging studies have further revealed that good or great smelling, looking, tasting, and reinforcing food has characteristics similar to that of drugs of abuse. Many of the brain changes reported for hedonic eating and obesity are also seen in various forms of addictions. Most importantly, overeating and obesity may have an acquired drive like drug addiction with respect to motivation and incentive; craving, wanting, and liking occur after early and repeated exposures to stimuli. The acquired drive for great food and relative weakness of the satiety signal would cause an imbalance between the drive and hunger/reward centers in the brain and their regulation.

I can give you the link to the journal article if you want.

From a psychological perspective, there's the nurture side to it all. If someone was brought up with bad dietary habits by their parents, then they are obviously going to be fat. It's hard to change that ingrained habitual upbringing by sheer willpower.

And I haven't even gotten to the advertising side of it, where we are constantly having food shoved in our faces whether it's through billboards, magazines, social media, advertisements, cooking shows, movies, books, restaurants.

Oh and the social side too. It's a little difficult to avoid the temptation when heading out and everyone is drinking 6 pints or ordering a large fries.

Yeah, because we can have such ridiculous and strange addictions to the point they'll make a show out of it, but the idea of food addiction is laughable...

Funny. So stupid lol.

Oh btw, i probably barely scratched the surface when it comes to all the mitigating factors.

Yeah I didn't read any of that.

 

[craffles]

The original title was talking about shaming.

Yeah I changed it because it wasn't really what I was getting at. No one really gets around pointing at overweight people trying to "shame them". That school of thought is self derived by the online overweight crowd pushing for "acceptance"

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Do you mean they're going to find it hard to stay thin? Or do you mean their going to start having a lot of health problems due to their body carrying extra weight all these years?

I meant the first, but the second is also true.

Just some of the "I run 27km before breakfast and hit the gym 4 times a day" crowd might find that some of that gets harder when you start getting to the age where you can injure yourself getting out of bed in the morning, and the 4 million calories you used to eat every day suddenly stop disappearing from your body by magic.

 

[WCErevival]

Its so accepted in society now that if you are in reasonable shape people often make fun of you or say you need to eat more. No you just need to stop eating so much. We no longer eat what we need to stay alive we eat out of enjoyment. People have no control.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Yeah I didn't read any of that.

Tl;dr

You're wrong

 

[Good_Old]

Tl;dr

You're wrong

In a nutshell it's addiction.

List heaps of other factors.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

In a nutshell it's addiction.

List heaps of other factors.

Now you're getting it.

 

[Good_Old]

Now you're getting it.

I'm willing to concede that addiction plays apart but to say it's "obesity in a nutshell" is too much for me to swallow. Hence my lol.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

I'm willing to concede that addiction plays apart but to say it's "obesity in a nutshell" is too much for me to swallow. Hence my lol.

Then what is it?

You state that it's a personal choice.

Yes they love to eat, but do you think they want to be obese?

Smokers like to smoke, but do you think they want respiratory problems?

 

[Good_Old]

Then what is it?

You state that it's a personal choice.

Yes they love to eat, but do you think they want to be obese?

Smokers like to smoke, but do you think they want respiratory problems?

Some people do things without thinking about the consequences.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Some people do things without thinking about the consequences.

And is that their fault?

If they were brought up to eat a certain way, and not educated on the consequences, which is the fault of the parent rather than the person himself, then couldn't that inevitably lead to addiction?

If it wasn't addiction, then why is it that once these people do in fact realise the consequences, by becoming fat, that they all struggle with kicking the habit of unhealthy eating?

You know... like when a smoker is told he shouldn't smoke anymore, but can barely resist going a day without a smoke.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Don't eat shit food.

Exercise.

It's not hard.

 

[Catfish Alley]

It must be. Dieting books/tv is a multi-billion dollar industry.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

It must be. Dieting books/tv is a multi-billion dollar industry.

Because people are too busy blaming others for their own problems.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

It's simplistic, but it's not easy.

 

[Gough]

We've always gotta find someone to hang shit on, looks like it's the porkers turn this time. Hopefully it means people will leave us smokers alone for a while.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Why does being fat equate to having no respect for themselves?

They have no respect for their health or appearance

 

[Gough]

They have no respect for their health or appearance

Never makes bed unless changing sheets crew. Change sheets like once every 2.months too. Half the time the sheets are on the floor anyway

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[craffles]

http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/story...y/news-story/25f379ffe108b110559f4350c2c94d7e


My hero

 

[the_interloper]

They have no respect for their health or appearance

So people can't live how they want in your opinion?

 

[TheFreshBanana]

They have no respect for their health or appearance

Do you hold the same predisposition towards people who have no respect for their health or appearance, but aren't fat?