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Finals 2015?

Will the Mighty Pies make the 2015 finals?

  • Hell yeah :)

    Votes: 37 52.9%
  • Sadly nah :(

    Votes: 33 47.1%

  • Total voters
    70

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Realistically, if our key players stay fit we will have a very strong chance of making the 8. I'm talking about Swan, Reid, Pendles, Cloke, Brown, Sidebottom, Elliott and Witts. We should see improved output from just about every single player on our list, as we basically have no one other than Swan that's getting towards the end of their career and maybe only a few guys that have just about reached their ceilings (Toovey, Dwyer, Blair, Goldsack). If we can put a side that resembles something like this on the park, then I'll be very confident:

FB: Toovey Brown Williams
HB: Reid Frost Langdon
C: Varcoe Swan Sidebottom
HF: Elliott Cloke Broomhead
FF: Grundy White Kennedy

FOL: Witts Pendlebury Greenwood

INT: Freeman, Adams, Goldsack SUB: De Goey

Given we all acknowledge that our backline lacks distribution and run, I think we HAVE to play Reid back, ideally as the third tall defender. This will allow him to zone off his opponent to be the third man at contests, or act as a roadblock if his opponent gets drawn up the ground towards the contest. Then , when he gets the ball he can use his damaging left boot to set up play whether it be switches across ground or spotting up players in the centre of the ground.

Our midfield brigade of Varcoe, Swan, Sidebottom, Pendles, Greenwood, Elliott, Broomhead, Adams, Freeman and Kennedy gives us a good mix of inside grunt and speed on the outside. Having Greenwood, Pendles, Adams and Freeman winning the ball and dishing it out to the speedy users like Varcoe, Swan, Broomy and Elliott should hopefully allow us to damage the opposition with some clean clearances rather than blind kicks out of the pack to outnumbered forwards.

The forward line is still the big concern. Cloke and White both excel when they can lead up to the wings but we obviously need someone to stay at home and be a presence. Grundy is yet to show if he can be a dangerous forward presence or merely a witches hat once the ball hits the ground. We also have struggled to find someone capable of filling a crumbing role successfully. With the way we have moved the ball in the past, long and direct, there should have been plenty of crumbs for the small forwards. However, for whatever reason our structure let us down and Cloke has been 1 vs 3 with no other Pies players in sight. We absolutely must get better at having numbers at the contest in our forward line otherwise opposition sides cut us up on the rebound. Hopefully, Kennedy and Broomhead can assist with both providing numbers at the contest and also snagging some crumbing goals. Both have shown a nose for being able to find the footy in the forward line and create some opportunities out of nothing. If our young mids can stand up, playing Sidebottom as a half forward will also assist with midfield goals. I would be happy to sacrifice some fabled forward pressure for a small forward who can actually hit the scoreboard and this is why I wouldn't play Blair and Goldsack forward.

As far as the draw goes, as has been discussed we couldn't have asked for much more:
Pies go in favourites:
Saints, Carlton, Melbourne, GWS, West Coast, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne, Carlton (8)

50:50
Essendon, Brisbane, Adelaide, Richmond, Richmond, Essendon (6)

Pies go in dogs:
Geelong, Hawthorn, Fremantle, Port, Geelong, Sydney, Gold Coast, North Melbourne (8)

We should be looking to win at least 6 of those games we go in favourites. Playing GWS and West Coast in Melbourne is a distinct advantage. Games against Essendon are 50:50's pending what happens with ASADA. If bombers players cop any form of suspension they'd likely be out on ANZAC day. Games against Brisbane and Adelaide will likely determine if we can make the 8, they are both extremely winnable with Brisbane severely lacking in experienced talls and Adelaide being flat track bullies. Richmond games could honestly go either way also.

As far as our games versus top sides, we get the pick of the bunch with 2 games vs Geelong because we go into these with a decent chance given where Geelong are at. If we win 6 of the 8 as favourites, 3-4 of the 50:50s and pinch 2 games vs the top sides then we get 11-12 wins which will have us right on the cusp of the 8 if not in the 8.
 
We will be in a cluster of sides fighting for the 6th-8th spots.

IMO Top 5

Hawthorn
Sydney
Port Adelaide
Fremantle
Geelong


Fighting for 6th-8th (all sides could finish in top 8 if things go right)

North Melbourne
Collingwood
Essendon
Gold Coast
Richmond
Adelaide
West Coast
Brisbane

Bottom 5

Carlton
Western Bulldogs
GWS
Melbourne
St Kilda
 
Odds of Swan finding consistent good form? Low.

He struggled with injury last year had no pre season, is disappointed by his season and wants make amends this year. Injury free this year there is no reason why Swan's form won't improve.
 

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We could make the 8 but I don't think we will.

There are probably 6 - 8 sides vying for the bottom 4 finals positions. It will be decided by injuries and beating them more so than beating Hawthorn, Sydney or Geelong.

If we can beat Adelaide, Carlton, Essendon, Gold Coast, Richmond, North Melbourne and West Coast home and away we are going to finish 4 - 6. If we win more than 50% of these games we'll be bottom half of the 8. The middle of the ladder is going to be very tight, probably % will separate 5 - 10 with maybe 2 games between.

I said those teams because I'm expecting us to beat GWS, St Kilda, Doggies and Melbourne every time we play them.
 
12 and below and Buckley will struggle to be coaching us in 2016. I don't see us improving enough in 2016 if we pull out a 12 on the ladder finish this season.
 
12 and below and Buckley will struggle to be coaching us in 2016. I don't see us improving enough in 2016 if we pull out a 12 on the ladder finish this season.
I think given our age profile it's hard to see us not improving next year on this year. I know a year older doesn't necessarily mean better performances but we're gonna have a lot of kids in the lower experience brackets that we'll be able to discover if they're gonna sink or swim in the next 24 months. We're still on the right path, and I don't think it's fair to judge Buckley on finishing position alone,
 
I think given our age profile it's hard to see us not improving next year on this year. I know a year older doesn't necessarily mean better performances but we're gonna have a lot of kids in the lower experience brackets that we'll be able to discover if they're gonna sink or swim in the next 24 months. We're still on the right path, and I don't think it's fair to judge Buckley on finishing position alone,
Yes while I agree on the age profile some of those aren't going to see a benefit from 2015 to 16 and by that I mean a significant improvement. I see the improve coming this year rather than 12 months. Guys like De goey and Freeman Maynard could suffer from second year blues if they break out this season. y Grundy and Witts I don't see hitting their peak untill 2018 or 2019. So in summary if we don't finish high this year I fail to see how we improve so much with a similar list in 2016.
 
We will show signs that we are on the verge of finals but will fall short 10th is where we will finish

Will have one of the youngest list in the comp this year if we beat Brisbane, Carlton, Essendon, Geelong I will be happy
 
I expect us to play finals and will be disappointed if we don't. We have already fallen to near unacceptable levels in the last 3 seasons so this needs to be arrested and we need to move back up the ladder now. 2012-14 were seasons seriously damaged by injury with 2012 being the year we suffered most. Bucks needs an injury free season to see what he is capable of as a coach.

I see the list as having a significant upside compared to 2014 if our senior players who had seasons injury affected stay on the park. On that basis I see guys who I consider clear best 22 players as having an improved year as follows

Swan
Cloke
Toovey
Reid
Fasolo
Brown
Williams

We will see improvement in our kids but that is a given and every team in the comp will expect their kids to improve. It's a return to their best of our senior core that gives me most hope.

Bucks career is on the line for mine also. He cannot afford to se us go down any further. Just missing the finals is a bare minimum pass for him. Anything else and I would say 4 years of continous dropping down the ladder after inheriting a fantastic list would be enough and the club should look at someone new.
 
2015 will be an exciting year, I really hope we make finals, but I just don't think we will.

Sure, we do have a bunch of exciting young talent coming through - DeGoey, Moore, Freeman, Scharenberg - But I just don't think we can count on players who are yet to play an AFL game to make our team better (yet). Remember that practically every other team will be excited about their draft recruits too.

Add to that our list of lower profile players who are even more speculative (Gault, Ramsay, Marsh, Oxley, Maynard, Goodyear, Manteit, Abbott) some of them may have great development years (I hope they all do) ... But key contributors to a final 8 team in a 18 team competition? Unlikely.

As for Varcoe and Greenwood - how many new recruits come in and make an immediate and solid impact? None. It takes time. It even took Jolly and Ball time to settle in before they found their rhythm (remember MM around round 7, 2010 saying something like "I'm not worried at all about Darren Jolly's poor form, I'm happy to keep playing him because I know he'll come good")

Crisp is a lottery ticket - think P.Karnezis, S.Buckley, A.Corrie, J.Russell. I'm hoping he ends up another Jamie "the steak knives" Elliott - but until I see him string a few good senior games together I'll be hopeful but skeptical.

Odds of Swan finding consistent good form? Low. I hope he does, really I do, but I think it's unlikely. Even at the fan forum Bucks made explicit mention of Swanny being in his twilight years and implying we shouldn't expect too much from him.

If we do make finals in 2015 it'll be because the young players who are in that 20 to 80 games range mature and find consistent solid form - players like Williams, Keeffe, Langdon, Thomas, Adams, Fasolo, Elliott, Frost, Seedsman, Witts, Grundy, Broomhead, Kennedy, Sinclair
Have to disagree on a couple of points here 76. Can't accept the concept that seasoned recruits can't come in and make a solid and immediate impact in their 1st season at a new club. Your examples are a little ironic also. Ball and Jolly on any assessment had a major impact at Collingwood in 2010. Bally ended up 5th in the B&F and was a rejuvenated player compared to his final season at The Saints. While I agree Jolly's early season form was poor his overall year was big and had a major impact. His possessions in 2010 for disposals, marks, goals etc were all up on his 2009 figures at the Swans.

Any number of players over the years have changed clubs and gone onto say their immediate improved form was due to getting a new lease of life and stimulus etc. I would be expecting significant contributions in 2015 from both Varcoe and Greenwood. That's vital as the are really direct replacements for Beams and Lumumba

Also can't agree with your assessment of Swanny. With the hand operations, being plagued by plantar fasciitis and other injury niggles can't we allow him a down season after sch a remarkable run of consistency. Champions like Swan can perform in their 30's and he had real reasons why 2014 was a struggle. If he is over his injury concerns don't be surprised if he isn't up vying for AA honours in 2015.

The kids can come on but every teams will. It will be the improvement in Swan, Reid, Fas, Cloke, Brown, Toovey and Williams as well as what Greenwood and Varcoe bring that will put us back into the finals in 2015
 
Really hard to say, but am not as directly focused on that this year. Looking forward to our kids staying injury free and showing us glimpses of the future.
We'll have the inconsistency of youth to deal with, but hopefully outweighed by the excitement of seeing the young blokes come on.
 

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I am coming around to us slipping into 7th this year in the final round winning 1 final and putting in a good show but coming up short in second final.
There really is no reason we should fall any further and one could put a good case for some significant improvement if things go well.
 
On talent alone i think we should be playing finals, but i think we will miss out.
Until i see us have some example of a game plan moving the ball fluently from the backline to our forward line i believe we wont be good enough to cement a spot in the top 8.
 
We will be in a cluster of sides fighting for the 6th-8th spots.

IMO Top 5

Hawthorn
Sydney
Port Adelaide
Fremantle
Geelong


Fighting for 6th-8th (all sides could finish in top 8 if things go right)

North Melbourne
Collingwood
Essendon
Gold Coast
Richmond
Adelaide
West Coast
Brisbane

Bottom 5

Carlton
Western Bulldogs
GWS
Melbourne
St Kilda

Agree although I think it's more 3 tiered.

Hawthorn, Port, Sydney - 2014 form suggests they're the top 3.

Geelong, Freo, Nth - all could potentially battle for the top 4 or could slide.

Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond, Adelaide, Gold Coast, West Coast, Brisbane - not much between them.

On that basis, Pies could end up anywhere from 4-13. I'm swayed by our early season 2014 form so I'll go with 5-8 and acknowledge that 4 & 9-13 are possibilities.
 

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