Fixture Fixing The Fixture (Another Method)

[Shane Heard]

But North melbourne saved the AFL from being broke by getting 10-15,000 people at docklands.

Just as The Warlord lol

Now don’t they too ahead of yourself. Freo games are the least watched games out of Perth tv or foxtel.

Dockers are like a morbid, purple graveyard of death in the footy ratings.

 

[Freomaniac]

Now don’t they too ahead of yourself. Freo games are the least watched games out of Perth tv or foxtel.

Dockers are like a morbid, purple graveyard of death in the footy ratings.

so put us on friday nights on channel 7 to prop up the dockers tv ratings then? lol

 

[doppleganger]

Didn't Eddie have a plan a few years ago about breaking the league into 3 "conferences" after we've all played each other once, and then you play the other teams in your conference (basically) for the last few weeks?

Thought that was interesting.

Conferences are the only way to have a fair FIXture.

You just completely split the league, and are ranked against conference opponents only.

Finals progress down conference lines until get to the last couple of weeks where conference champioms play off.

 

[flamethrower]

The WA teams to get 2-3 extra home games - fixes their travel issues

GWS and Brisbane get 4-6 matches at the MCG.

Opposed to the regional games, bar gather Round. Get poor crowds.

North Ballarat is an appalling ground. Should only be used for Footscray v other Melbourne teams.

Agree - only VFL games should be played at regional sites.
Western Bulldogs (the AFL team) should play 9 home games at Marvel Stadium and 2 home games at the MCG.

 

[Coolangatta]

Just have a rolling fixture. Everyone plays each other, an equal number of times both home and away over and X year period. You can still have flexibility for Anzac Day and other “event” games, as each team plays each other at least once per season.

It’s not ******* hard to sort out.

This. Took ten years for Collingwood to play Sydney again at the MCG. If they planned the fixture better, no one would have to wait that long to play a team at their home ground.

 

[LordLucifer]

This. Took ten years for Collingwood to play Sydney again at the MCG. If they planned the fixture better, no one would have to wait that long to play a team at their home ground.

Under my proposed systems, at worst, the Pies would be hosting the Swans at the MCG every second year.

 

[Coolangatta]

Under my proposed systems, at worst, the Pies would be hosting the Swans at the MCG every second year.

Yeah, it's a good system, although I wouldn't base it completely off the ladder, but also finals performance.

A: Pies, Lions, Giants, Blues, Dees, Power

B: Saints, Swans, Dogs, Crows, Bombers, Cats

C: Tigers, Dockers, Suns, Hawks, Roos, Eagles

Teams from the same group play each other twice + one team from another group to ensure 2x interstate rival games.

B/C Bombers v Eagles
B/C Dogs v Roos
B/C Cats v Hawks
A/C Lions v Suns
A/C Dees v Tigers
A/C Blues v Dockers
A/B Giants v Swans
A/B Power v Crows
A/B Pies v Saints

 

[Grasshopper17]

Just have a rolling fixture. Everyone plays each other, an equal number of times both home and away over and X year period. You can still have flexibility for Anzac Day and other “event” games, as each team plays each other at least once per season.

It’s not ******* hard to sort out.

I quite like the model where the league has 9 PAIRINGS of 2, grouped into 3 conferences (3 "pairings" per conference). I don't think we need 3 separate ladders, just think about 3 conferences for the sake of the discussion.

Your pairing is fixed for the term of the arrangement (4 years in this case), and can be rolled over ad infinitum if appropriate. For example, Brisbane's pairing would be Gold Coast, Sydney would pair with the Giants, etc etc. You play the team in your pairing twice every season, regardless of whatever else happens.

The conference you are in will contain 2 other pairings. These are the teams you play twice in any given season. These pairings ROTATE each season. So say in 2024 Brisbane were in a conference with West Coast, Freo, Geelong and Hawthorn - we would play them all twice. Then in 2024 we might be in a conference with Adelaide, Port, Essendon and Collingwood, so we would play them all twice.

After a 4 year cycle then, we have been through all 8 other pairings - we've played them all twice in one of those 4 seasons, and once in the other 3. So we play each team 5 times in 4 years.

4 seasons x 22 games = 88 games
vs your "pair": 4 seasons x 2 games = 8 games
vs every other club: 5 games x 16 clubs = 80 games

If home vs away was important, the cycle can be 8 years instead, so you play each club 10 times, an even number of games. 5 at home and 5 away.

Then after 4 (or 8) seasons, if clubs (probably the Victorian ones) want to change their pairing, that is their opportunity to do so.

This method would work just as well if we moved to a 20 team comp whilst retaining a 22 round season, however it would simply take longer to cycle through all the teams you play twice in any given season. At that time there might also be an argument to reduce the number of games to 20 - play everyone once plus your pairing, reducing complexity. Increasing to 24 or 26 games would complicate this approach, without making it impossible.

 

[TedDougChris]

I quite like the model where the league has 9 PAIRINGS of 2, grouped into 3 conferences (3 "pairings" per conference). I don't think we need 3 separate ladders, just think about 3 conferences for the sake of the discussion.

Your pairing is fixed for the term of the arrangement (4 years in this case), and can be rolled over ad infinitum if appropriate. For example, Brisbane's pairing would be Gold Coast, Sydney would pair with the Giants, etc etc. You play the team in your pairing twice every season, regardless of whatever else happens.

The conference you are in will contain 2 other pairings. These are the teams you play twice in any given season. These pairings ROTATE each season. So say in 2024 Brisbane were in a conference with West Coast, Freo, Geelong and Hawthorn - we would play them all twice. Then in 2024 we might be in a conference with Adelaide, Port, Essendon and Collingwood, so we would play them all twice.

After a 4 year cycle then, we have been through all 8 other pairings - we've played them all twice in one of those 4 seasons, and once in the other 3. So we play each team 5 times in 4 years.

4 seasons x 22 games = 88 games
vs your "pair": 4 seasons x 2 games = 8 games
vs every other club: 5 games x 16 clubs = 80 games

If home vs away was important, the cycle can be 8 years instead, so you play each club 10 times, an even number of games. 5 at home and 5 away.

Then after 4 (or 8) seasons, if clubs (probably the Victorian ones) want to change their pairing, that is their opportunity to do so.

This method would work just as well if we moved to a 20 team comp whilst retaining a 22 round season, however it would simply take longer to cycle through all the teams you play twice in any given season. At that time there might also be an argument to reduce the number of games to 20 - play everyone once plus your pairing, reducing complexity. Increasing to 24 or 26 games would complicate this approach, without making it impossible.

Or you just do what I described and you quoted and have a rolling fixture, with every team playing every other team an equal number of times - both home and away over a certain time period.

It's about 11 paragraphs shorter and much simpler than the above.....

 

[Grasshopper17]

Move domestic SS and ODDs to other grounds

Matches this year

NSW- 1x Cricket Central, 3x SCG, 1x Sydney Showgrounds Stadium
QLD- 1x Great Barrier Reef Arena, 3x Gabba, 1x TBD
SA- 2x Karen Rolton Oval, 3x Adelaide Oval
TAS- 5x Bellrieve
Vic- 2x MCG, 2x Junction Oval 1x TBD
WA- 5x WACA

Have a 38 week season. 34Rds, plus 4 week finals.

If players want a rest, take the week off.
Cristiano Ronaldo only ever played 1 season where he played every league game (2011-12) but he was rested for 1 cup game and 2 continental games
Lionel Messi was the same, only ever played 1 season where he played every league game (2014-15) but he was rested for 3 cup games and 1 continental game.

So tell any players to suck it up and think of the extra money they're generating (and getting paid)

You might not even need the full 34 weeks. Take teams on the road for 3-4 games 2020-hub-style and have 5 day breaks in between each of them. For example West Coast might play 3 games in Melbourne and 1 in Adelaide on their way home. If every team did that 2-3 times a year you might only need 30 weeks or so. The players actually enjoyed that because they hardly trained during those periods.

Yes this involves mid-week matches. But if we're ready for a 34 game season we're ready for mid-week matches.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Or you just do what I described and you quoted and have a rolling fixture, with every team playing every other team an equal number of times - both home and away over a certain time period.

It's about 11 paragraphs shorter and much simpler than the above.....

You do realise that your proposal would take 17 years to get through, right?

 

[The Feeder Club]

Didn't Eddie have a plan a few years ago about breaking the league into 3 "conferences" after we've all played each other once, and then you play the other teams in your conference (basically) for the last few weeks?

Thought that was interesting.

That wasn't Eddie's idea. I came up with that one several accounts and a decade ago
It's the most logical solution for so long as you have uneven double ups. The current system is stupid because the double ups are determined by the position finished on the ladder i.e. strength last year. The fairer idea is to determine the double ups based on your strength this year.

 

[Ticky009]

This. Took ten years for Collingwood to play Sydney again at the MCG. If they planned the fixture better, no one would have to wait that long to play a team at their home ground.

Pies wanted to play us in Sydney so they could play in front of their Sydney fans and get visible in Sydney. Was purely for marketing etc.

 

[Billy ray]

Double up games worth two premiership points. Solved

 

[Cyclops]

Pies wanted to play us in Sydney so they could play in front of their Sydney fans and get visible in Sydney. Was purely for marketing etc.

No it's so Sydney could have a home game with an actual crowd.

Pies get sent around the country to create interest.

It's flattering but it becomes a self fulfilling cycle, we get exposure because we're famous, so we get more famous so we get more exposure etc etc.

 

[LordLucifer]

Winners and losers: Who cashed in on AFL’s ‘weighted’ 2024 fixture as Dimma gifted dream run

Winners and losers: Who cashed in on AFL’s ‘weighted’ fixture as Dimma gifted dream run

www.foxsports.com.au

People wonder why there is so much angst & anger towards the annual fixture, this article clearly outlines the problems with what happens and also notes who are the "winners & losers" of the draw.

FMD ............ I was of the opinion that there shouldn't be such a thing, it should be a level playing for for all clubs ..... !!

 

[Danw0w]

Winners and losers: Who cashed in on AFL’s ‘weighted’ 2024 fixture as Dimma gifted dream run

Winners and losers: Who cashed in on AFL’s ‘weighted’ fixture as Dimma gifted dream run

www.foxsports.com.au

People wonder why there is so much angst & anger towards the annual fixture, this article clearly outlines the problems with what happens and also notes who are the "winners & losers" of the draw.

FMD ............ I was of the opinion that there shouldn't be such a thing, it should be a level playing for for all clubs ..... !!

There will be winners and losers of the draw regardless of what system you do.