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Gough said:
Agreed. The right to discriminate for them but not for us, a bit absurd do you not think? Particularly considering the basis for this "right".
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There is no "perfect" Gough.

You better get used to this fact, and adjust your rationale accordingly.

Become an anarchist.
 
Gough said:
That's really not an answer. Why is it that in 2020 fealty to a fairy tale gives you a right discriminate that other people don't enjoy? It seems to me that freedom of speech is applied selectively.
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It's an answer instead saying toughen the f up. Why can't everybody be happy with calling him an idiot, he said most people are going to imaginary hell hole run by an imaginary god, why get so triggered. We either allow freedom of speech or we don't and we ban religion.

I dont want to live in China, where all minorities suffer.
 
Snake_Baker said:
There is no "perfect" Gough.

You better get used to this fact, and adjust your rationale accordingly.

Become an anarchist.
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I agree life's not fair and I'm totally good with that, what I have an issue with is laws further entenching and making worse the inequality which is exactly what the government want to do with the religious freedom legislation. We have a section of the commentariat losing their shit over the case in front of the High Court at the moment arguing that we'd create one sort of citizenship for Indigenous people and another for us whiteys yet this is what the what the religious freedoms bill will do. Those of faith can behave in a way that the rest of us are unable to do.
 
Gough said:
I agree life's not fair and I'm totally good with that, what I have an issue with is laws further entenching and making worse the inequality which is exactly what the government want to do with the religious freedom legislation. We have a section of the commentariat losing their shit over the case in front of the High Court at the moment arguing that we'd create one sort of citizenship for Indigenous people and another for us whiteys yet this is what the what the religious freedoms bill will do. Those of faith can behave in a way that the rest of us are unable to do.
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It's not "entrenching" shit mate. Christianity is (rightfully) in serious decline. Check the numbers.

Why? Because it's views and beliefs are ridiculous. It's demise is garaunteed, along with the rest of the fairy tales.

Did this require government intervention? No. It's a further extension of the enlightenment. Government interventions can actually lead to a resurgence of absurd ideas.
 

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Sainteric said:
It's an answer instead saying toughen the f up. Why can't everybody be happy with calling him an idiot, he said most people are going to imaginary hell hole run by an imaginary god, why get so triggered. We either allow freedom of speech or we don't and we ban religion.

I dont want to live in China, where all minorities suffer.
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I don't think it was a freedom of speech issue to begin with, it was a "oh shit we might lose sponsors" reaction for RA and possibly a contractual issue.

Nobody is stopping Folau from his particular brand of sky-fairy worship. RA panicked. Here we are.
 
If you do not believe in God or do not believe in the interpretation of the Bible that Israel Folau has then you would have no logical reason to be offended by the post and your reaction should have been an eye roll at most.

The main driver of this whole thing blowing up is the need of people to be offended on behalf of other people.

The majority of Australians would not agree with the views held by Folau but his support is much higher than many would estimate due to a backlash against this sort of outrage culture.
 
Sainteric said:
It's a bit of a lottery if you go to court on compensation, he was never going to get 14 million, they paid plenty so he is happy.
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Did they pay plenty? Do we know or are we going off speculation?
 
I guess with all that money in his back pocket Israel is not going to be able to fit through the eye of a needle.

Izzy now needs another sport to participate in.. I'd like to see him put out a challenge to Barry Hall and/or Paul Gallen.
 
Mofra said:
I don't think it was a freedom of speech issue to begin with, it was a "oh shit we might lose sponsors" reaction for RA and possibly a contractual issue.

Nobody is stopping Folau from his particular brand of sky-fairy worship. RA panicked. Here we are.
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Your right RA panicked, they sacked an employee for his religious beliefs
 
Father Jack said:
The only thing Rugby Australia was trying to do was get out of this with as little damage to their brand as possible. They weren't running an anti-religious crusade or anything, they simply didn't want Folau's homophobia to stick to them and turn off mainstream Australia. I'm not sure why there's so much nuffy triumphalism in this thread, but I guess you take your wins wherever you think you can claim them.
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The triumphalism, read some of the posts, you'd find it hard to believe what this decision was going to do.
 

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Jason mp said:
I guess with all that money in his back pocket Israel is not going to be able to fit through the eye of a needle.

Izzy now needs another sport to participate in.. I'd like to see him put out a challenge to Barry Hall and/or Paul Gallen.
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He is too soft for that, Japan, France, NRL or become a Full Time Pastor of an extreme Pentecostal church
 
Father Jack said:
The only thing Rugby Australia was trying to do was get out of this with as little damage to their brand as possible. They weren't running an anti-religious crusade or anything, they simply didn't want Folau's homophobia to stick to them and turn off mainstream Australia. I'm not sure why there's so much nuffy triumphalism in this thread, but I guess you take your wins wherever you think you can claim them.
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It's a "win" for those who feel they "lost" when ssm was legalised. Same way this religious freedom bill is about getting revenge for that.
 
Gough said:
It's a "win" for those who feel they "lost" when ssm was legalised. Same way this religious freedom bill is about getting revenge for that.
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Not at all, you really have to move on

It's a win for people who don't want to be discriminated against at work for their personal religious beliefs.
 
Sainteric said:
Not at all, you really have to move on

It's a win for people who don't want to be discriminated against at work for their personal religious beliefs.
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But who will scream blue murder if their right to discriminate is removed.
 

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Marcel Proust said:
you cant get rid of Christianity in the west

its the basis of the modern world. wake up
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Not really. It's just the survivor, made up of bits and pieces of everything that fell away. The good and the bad.
 
His rugby opportunities are dependent on whether the Japanese want to give him a go because he ain't getting a look in elsewhere where there's money at present.
 
Sainteric said:
Your right RA panicked, they sacked an employee for his religious beliefs
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They didn't want to be associated with his bigotry and they've successfully cut him loose. Would have cost them a lot more if they'd have kept him on.
 
Gough said:
That's really not an answer. Why is it that in 2020 fealty to a fairy tale gives you a right discriminate that other people don't enjoy? It seems to me that freedom of speech is applied selectively.
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You can go after straight while males any time you want. And you know it.

Mofra said:
I don't think it was a freedom of speech issue to begin with, it was a "oh shit we might lose sponsors" reaction for RA and possibly a contractual issue.

Nobody is stopping Folau from his particular brand of sky-fairy worship. RA panicked. Here we are.
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I wonder how much Qantas tip in, given they (or more specifically one individual at Qantas) are(is) 100% of the reason behind this mess.
 
HairyO said:
I wonder how much Qantas tip in, given they (or more specifically one individual at Qantas) are(is) 100% of the reason behind this mess.
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Wouldn't be surprised if their CEO made a phone call shortly after the Folau tweet.
 

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