Religion Folau

[Downhill Skier]

I make no claim to be knowledgeable about the relevant legislation. My post was to say I didn't understand the point being made by the poster whose text is quoted - that is the part of my post in quotation marks. Let me know what you find out, my brain is too small to work it out, apparently!

Ok sorry . I honestly don’t think he could be found guilty of anything under the federal discrimination act as it is very specific as what is classed as discrimination . I am no legal eagle either so I could be wrong but if hate speech was covered under federal law I would see no need for state and territories to introduce state laws outlawing it .

 

[TheSunGod]

Pretty silly by Izzy. Ihe had quoted the original Greek version of the passage then this wouldn’t have created much fuss at all.

 

[Sausages]

Folau found guilty of high level breach.

Sanction yet to be determined.
Appeal process in place if he wishes to appeal the finding.

 

[Dixie Normous]

I hope his career is ruined. Hall of fame flog

 

[Evolved1]

Well if they truly wanted to protect their brand image and align themselves with organisations that reflect the values that majority of Australians find acceptable then they would end their close and cosy commercial partnerships with two airlines owned by nation states that sanction and uphold the wholesale discrimination of women, conduct public stonings and beheadings for women charged with adultery, turn a blind eye to imams carrying out female circumcision, will only grant men the right to unilaterally divorce their spouse yet women have to apply to a Sharia court...the list goes on. Not to mention their views on homosexuality either, in fact it remains a crime punishable by 10 years imprisonment for “sodomy” they still call it. And other archaic and brutal various punishments as prescribed under Sharia law. Hypocrites much?

If you feel strongly enough about those issues and Qantas' partnerships with morally disreputable nations, I suggest you boycott Qantas. I have to wonder why you support an extremist Christian who believes homosexuals deserve to be tortured in a burning lake of fire if that is your stance. I mean, doesn't that make you a hypocrite too?

Does Qantas not have the right to withdraw their sponsorship with Rugby Australia, dependent on terms of their contract, for any reason they choose? The public are equally free to put their values into action and fly with other airlines if they so choose.

Your argument is basically that Folau can say whatever he wants and hide behind the protection of his faith, even to the point of committing a breach of Rugby Australia's code of conduct, yet Qantas should be forced into sponsoring an organisation against their wishes. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

 

[Evolved1]

Besides I certainly didn’t see Qantas making any public stands or whispers of behind the scenes machinations to get rid of certain individuals when there’s been rape scandal after gang rape scandal after domestic violence scandal come out involving various rugby players - yes some Wallaby’s too - over the years. Awful silent on those, so Qantas is OK with discrimination and real life abuses being perpetrated against women, but post some rather tame by evangelical standards biblical religious garbage on social media about homosexuals going to hell (along with a whole lot of the rest of us which honestly who believes a word of that anyway) and you’re practically a war criminal??

Why do you feel Qantas need make a public stand on every issue that surfaces?

Is there an issue with Australian rugby players or other employees publicly supporting domestic violence and rape?

Folau's "rather tame" views contribute to a significantly higher incidence of mental health and suicide among the LBGTI community. In 20 years time, Folau's archaic views will be seen in the same light as racism is viewed now.

After his first breach of the code, he was educated and warned of the consequences, and presumably he agreed to the terms. Yes?

How many warnings should one person get? You must have the best job in Australia if you blatantly ignore your employers code of conduct repeatedly with no consequence. Can you get me a job there!

 

[Evolved1]

How dare sponsors select our national teams.

I agree. If you can point out an example where that's happened, I'm on your side.

Folau threw himself on the chopping block then chose to act like a martyr rather than take responsibility for his actions. It's pathetic behaviour that should not be encouraged.

Employees are frequently sacked for violating the terms of their employment, so I fail to understand why Folau should get any special privilege.

 

[Evolved1]

Folau found guilty of high level breach.

Sanction yet to be determined.
Appeal process in place if he wishes to appeal the finding.

I'd be surprised if he didn't appeal. Martyr complex.

 

[Sausages]

I'd be surprised if he didn't appeal. Martyr complex.

Yeah, I agree - it'll drag on for a bit yet I'd think.

 

[Slack Nang]

That is the most ironic thing about this whole saga. Folau has created a whole bunch of idolaters.

Many who will not repent

 

[collingwoodmick]

If Folau loses, will he get down on his knees? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As someone so hellbent on seeing Folau expelled from Australian Rugby for homophobic slurs, using homophobic innuendo does not benefit your argument

 

[Dixie Normous]

He has more integrity than anyone in Australian sport, including Ablett jr!

Integrity my arse. If he had integrity he wouldn't be going to court as we speak and would be willing to sacrifice his career and all that money for God and his beliefs, but no.....he's all about the money just like we all are.

 

[HARKER]

He has more integrity than anyone in Australian sport, including Ablett jr!

How so?

If for nothing else he agreed to not broadcast any more of his 'beliefs' and then broke that promise.

That at best makes him a liar. Where's the principle in that? That's dishonesty.

 

[madmug]

He has more integrity than anyone in Australian sport, including Ablett jr!

Then he continue with his 'integrity' without using his sporting profile to vilify others.

Having his beliefs is not the issue. voicing the fact he has strong beliefs is fine if he feels the need. However, Attacking 'others' is a such a public & divisive manner from his very public position is pretty gutless & ignorant.

Best if he just leaves. Perhaps he should go to some heathen countries & tries to convert them. See how much 'conviction' he has then.

 

[Gough]

Looks like he's going to have a whole lot more time to devote to his faith. Even the French won't have him, what a pillock.

 

[HARKER]

Does this make sense, or an over-the-top conspiracy theory?

Folau doesn't care for rugby any more and is getting a little old.
Folau manufactures a plan that if it works, he's set and if it doesn't, his profile has sky-rocketed to be utilised at a later date.
Folau is sacked and a payout is imminent.
Folau gets paid a kings ransom for his 'story'
Folau 'writes' a book. Best-seller of course.
Folau becomes a social influencer amid all the other opportunities that come his way.

If it doesn't work, Folau plays a little more rugby and has 'profile' credits in the bank.

 

[FlyHigh18]

Everyone knows what the bible says, Israel Folau but you chose to preach the worst parts of it to a civilised and accepting country, to your fans and to kids who look up to you.

You have a right to exercise and preach your beliefs, and we have a right to tell you **** off.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Folau will at the end of the day will whore himself to the highest bidder.
Its not about the sport or team for him its about the money.
When he come to us from the NRL it was all about the money and we offered more than he got playing Rugby League. When he got bored with us he offered himself back to the NRL or RA and RA paid more so he went there.
When he was playing AF he had no interest in promoting AF just taking the money.
If he decides he wants to stay in professional sport, it will be to the sport that offers most money.

 

[Socrates2]

Imo, I think most religious people have sime sort of mental illness, it is too ridiculous to beleive in magic if you have all your wits about you.I think he is a little unstable. One side of his brain is saying 'stop vilifying people different to you' the other half is saying 'I better say gays and drunks are going to hell because that will get me a ticket to paradise ', even though he is a drunk himself.

 

[Demon in Hell]

I agree. If you can point out an example where that's happened, I'm on your side.

If you don't think that soft **** Joyce didn't ring RA and say Folau is out or Qantas is out, then you have your head so far up you arse it doesn't matter.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

He has no one but himself to blame. He posted similar things before, was told not to, fronted the media to say he understood. Then took on a new high paying contract, did it again, refused to return RA’s phone calls (as did his manager), refused to take the post down. The panel then found that RA were correct in issuing him with a high level breach, because of course they were.

The conspiracy theorist part of my mind thinks that in IF and his managers head things would go something like this: post something inflammatory that RA will have to sanction you over, double down to force their hand, they’ll pay out at least the majority of contract 2-3 million, NRL and France will come knocking, play them off against each other for maximum payment. RA came down harder than expected, NRL said no, France are waiting to see what happens, IF and manager realise plan wasn’t as cunning as first thought.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

If you don't think that soft **** Joyce didn't ring RA and say Folau is out or Qantas is out, then you have your head so far up you arse it doesn't matter.

QANTAS is free to give their money away for free to who ever they want, there is no issue here. RA is free to search for sponsorship elsewhere if they’d like.

 

[Mavs13]

Everyone knows what the bible says, Israel Folau but you chose to preach the worst parts of it to a civilised and accepting country, to your fans and to kids who look up to you.

You have a right to exercise and preach your beliefs, and we have a right to tell you **** off.

And we have the right to agree with him.

 

[HairyO]

Imo, I think most religious people have sime sort of mental illness

Why only most? So Folau has a mental illness, Obama doesnt? GAJ has a mental illness, Waleed Aly doesnt?

That sort of thing?

 

[Socrates2]

Why only most? So Folau has a mental illness, Obama doesnt? GAJ has a mental illness, Waleed Aly doesnt?

That sort of thing?

All then, it's just my opinion.Also some might like the cultural aspect but not believe in a supernatural power. If you went to a psychologist and told them you believe a guy called Graham died then came back to life and could produce magic and produce food from thin air and it was written in a book 600 to 2000 years ago they would probably say you were gullible at the very least.To the atheist religion is quite ridiculous.