Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[Grasshopper17]

The Sicily one was a free no doubt, but was it really down field? Felt to me like a free kick from where he was bumped.

I'm actually most comfortable with that one, out of the 3. If you think about where Sicily's kick ended up (out on the full to the left), it would have been physically impossible for the ball to end up there had he been bumped as he kicked. His kick would have been affected and ended up being sprayed to the right somewhere. Hence, we can say reasonably confidently that the bump did not affect the kick, therefore it must have come AFTER the kick. So I'm comfortable with the down field call.

Don't get me wrong, Sicily knew what he was doing and absolutely "gamed the system", both in terms of timing his kick with the intention of drawing that contact, and putting a bit of mayo on his reaction (going to ground etc). But that's still a down field free.

 

[Grasshopper17]

The Sicily one was a free no doubt, but was it really down field? Felt to me like a free kick from where he was bumped.

By the way, had the bump come during the act of kicking, it wouldn't/shouldn't have been a free kick at all, because the bump wasn't high (I don't think), and it wasn't in the back. So as long as it was in the act of kicking, no free kick at all as far as I'm concerned.

 

[dlanod]

Yeah of the three to finish that was the least annoying - Ginnivan's being Ginnivan and forcing contact high was par for the annoying course and the second high contact looked like there was no whistle until the Hawks player threw his head back (despite any contact already having occurred and at best looking to be to the shoulder).

 

[Grasshopper17]

Yeah of the three to finish that was the least annoying - Ginnivan's being Ginnivan and forcing contact high was par for the annoying course and the second high contact looked like there was no whistle until the Hawks player threw his head back (despite any contact already having occurred and at best looking to be to the shoulder).

Yeah the Ginnivan free a couple of minutes before the Sicily free was clearly incorrect and an unfortunate regression to where we were a couple of years ago.

 

[Dalions]

Yeo’s wasn’t a free. He’s just taking possession after literally being on hands and knees trying to get the ball off his opponent who initially had it. Yeo’s problem was that he wanted the ball and he got penalised for getting it and from his position he had no time to even consider disposing of it and it’s not like he dived on it either. If that’s free, then I guess there should be another 50 a game being paid for circumstances just like that.

Prior opportunity needs to always remain. I know that a few want prior opportunity to be removed but that will kill the essence of the game.
In some cases you may not have prior but have hands free and still have an opportunity to dispose of the ball and I am happy for that to be pinned.
But in Yeo’s case, that was not the case.
Players still need to be encouraged to go after the ball.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Yeo’s wasn’t a free. He’s just taking possession after literally being on hands and knees trying to get the ball off his opponent who initially had it. Yeo’s problem was that he wanted the ball and he got penalised for getting it and from his position he had no time to even consider disposing of it and it’s not like he dived on it either. If that’s free, then I guess there should be another 50 a game being paid for circumstances just like that.

Yeo dragged the ball to himself with his left hand whilst on the ground. If you are tackled after doing that it is a free kick regardless of whether you get to your feet or not. This has been a clear free kick for several years and at times we have actually been beneficiaries of this.

 

[martinson]

Yeo dragged the ball to himself with his left hand whilst on the ground. If you are tackled after doing that it is a free kick regardless of whether you get to your feet or not. This has been a clear free kick for several years and at times we have actually been beneficiaries of this.

The issue is that he had the option to knock it out in the direction of a team mate or anywhere but he took possession with the express intent of forcing a ballup.

So despite the fact that Collingwood do several iterations of this tactic every week and don't get pinged it was still a clear free kick. It wasn't as if he burrowed in against strong opposition to try and get the ball out , he just stuck his claw out to sit on it.

 

[briztoon]

Draper for SA looks a decent talent and surely someone the Crows would be all over

Draper and Finn O'Sullivan have been injured for most the season so far. Along with Ashcroft, were considered the top 3 prospects coming in to the season. Some have Jagga Smith up there, but he's very similar to the bad version of Parish. Moreas and Smillie up there for a solid top 6 mids.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Seems like longer tbh.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It seemed a simple kiss on TV after the game, but it crossed a boundary

Is kissing at work cool and contemporary, or something best left to 1970s Christmas parties? When someone is just trying to do their job, it can be difficult to say no.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

It seemed a simple kiss on TV after the game, but it crossed a boundary
Kate Halfpenny

June 14, 2024 — 11.48am

Now, this may reveal me as either a crusty old wowser or someone who needs to dust off her post-feminist feminism, which is why I’m turning it over to you. Kissing at work: cool and contemporary, or a major crossing of boundaries? Discuss.

For context, let’s rewind to last Friday when AFL commentator Abbey Holmes interviewed Lachie Neale

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Lachie Neale

Age

32

Ht

177cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

post-match for Channel Seven. In the Lions’ win over the Doggies, Neale had run himself into the ground so much that puffs of steam rose from his head.

Until the end, the simmering genie illusion was the most unusual bit of the interview. Prepared as ever, Holmes asked about the Brisbane midfield, praised Neale’s 38 disposals. But when things wrapped up, there was a micro-second of hesitation from the dual Brownlow medallist.

Neale leaned into Holmes. She reacted by snaking her arm around his waist. He returned the favour. She leaned in too, slightly, and they kissed each other on the cheek.

The interaction was fast and not ick, but it was weird enough for my husband and I to say, “wait, what?” This was rare, TV talent kissing or being kissed as a sign-off. You have to go back to Bec Judd swerving from Tony Jones’ attempted smooch in 2016 after her last news bulletin.

On footy broadcasts, Hodgie isn’t pashing anyone. More broadly, Alicia Loxley isn’t kissing Tom Steinfort at the end of Nine News. My husband shrugged: “I reckon Abs and Lachie are mates.”

Maybe. Still, even if they’re besties 4 eva, when they’re both at work is it a good look to be saying hasta manana with a kiss? For mine, it was too familiar. Place and time, people. You’re drawing a wage from this chat so keep it classy, San Diego.

Intrigued, I watched the kiss again a couple of times. Neither party seemed uncomfortable. The incident hasn’t made waves in the media or on socials. But at a time when former Spanish soccer federation president Luis Rubiales is facing a sexual assault trial for his creepy unsolicited kiss on World Cup winner Jenni Hermoso, I think it’s worth asking the kiss question.

Specifically, if a kiss – even an innocent, joyous one – shifts the focus from a woman’s job and talents to their personal boundaries. If it raises the question about whether they have the power and will to protect those boundaries, or have to laugh it off to save face, maybe save their job.

While Holmes looked fine with the reciprocated smooch, I wonder if she flashed ahead to what her boss would say and what the audience would think: A guy just kissed me on air. Crap. Just as Mel McLaughlin ploughed on and later said she was uncomfortable when repugnant cricketer Chris Gayle told her “don’t blush baby” and asked her for a drink on air in 2016.

The power dynamics in Holmes’ world are already skewed. Yeah, she’s on telly, has an established career, holds some cards. But in her role, is there pressure to maintain a positive rapport with players for continued access that could lead to a reluctance to call out inappropriate behaviour?

Hello, cycle of discomfort, blurring of boundaries and the message that public displays of affection towards women at work means we are objects of affection. In Holmes’ case, maybe other players now think they should casually kiss her too.

Confusingly, I feel if a male player got kissy with a male host during an adieu, it would be kind of adorable. Bros showing their sensitive side. So now I also have double standards that need to be worked through.

I ring a media mate who says remote working has changed dynamics. She recently embraced her company’s female GM of legal when they met IRL in a lift.

“Often you’re on projects with people and talk to them every day but don’t meet in person for a year. Then shaking hands feels weird, so you end up going, “We should bring it in.”

Even if Holmes gave the kiss no second thought, networks and AFL clubs should give their troops a half-time speech: kissing on air is out of bounds. It’s 2024, not a 1970s Christmas party with a handsy boss handing out Brandivinos and murmuring your Prince Matchabelli smells great.

Kate Halfpenny is the founder of Bad Mother Media.

Feels like a big fuss over nothing, really. Neither party seemed to have a problem with it.

 

[KissKiss]

It seemed a simple kiss on TV after the game, but it crossed a boundary

Is kissing at work cool and contemporary, or something best left to 1970s Christmas parties? When someone is just trying to do their job, it can be difficult to say no.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

Feels like a big fuss over nothing, really. Neither party seemed to have a problem with it.

Interesting one as it so depends on the individuals involved. As you said these two seemed ok. But when its not ok, its very very bad

 

[BuntonRules]

No tounge, no problem

 

[Dalions]

Interesting one as it so depends on the individuals involved. As you said these two seemed ok. But when its not ok, its very very bad

You do like a bit of KissKiss!

 

[MacMum]

Saw nothing whatsoever wrong with it! Neither Abby or Lachie looked uncomfortable.

What a wowserish world we now live in. Crazy.

Media love trying their hardest to stir up trouble.

 

[lionshine]

Apparently the AFL is meeting with all clubs later this month to discuss a number of changes including Academy/FS bidding rules, an AFL reserves comp(Crows & Port want out of SANFL) and the removal of the sub with 5 on the interchange instead. According to an article I just read the Brisbane Lions have spoken up and requested the switch from a sub to 5 interchange players which I am all for. I hate the sub and the complexities of players being registered as playing a game when sometimes they don’t even take the field, a debutant being named as sub and only getting 5-10 mins game time plus the fact that some players are named as sub for 3-4 consecutive weeks and don’t get proper game time. I hope the AFL drop the sub.

 

[Elixuh]

Apparently the AFL is meeting with all clubs later this month to discuss a number of changes including Academy/FS bidding rules, an AFL reserves comp(Crows & Port want out of SANFL) and the removal of the sub with 5 on the interchange instead. According to an article I just read the Brisbane Lions have spoken up and requested the switch from a sub to 5 interchange players which I am all for. I hate the sub and the complexities of players being registered as playing a game when sometimes they don’t even take the field, a debutant being named as sub and only getting 5-10 mins game time plus the fact that some players are named as sub for 3-4 consecutive weeks and don’t get proper game time. I hope the AFL drop the sub.

You’d think a lot of teams will start to roll 2 rucks, which makes me worried about our ruck stocks. Desperately need to recruit a ruck with AFL experience.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

No tounge, no problem

 

[Mayestro]

You’d think a lot of teams will start to roll 2 rucks, which makes me worried about our ruck stocks. Desperately need to recruit a ruck with AFL experience.

Or it could be an opportunity to give a player like Henry Smith an apprenticeship. And after looking a like a delistee Kalin Lane has picked up as well.

 

[Elixuh]

Or it could be an opportunity to give a player like Henry Smith an apprenticeship. And after looking a like a delistee Kalin Lane has picked up as well.

The issue is we are very naked in that spot if O cops an injury

 

[Mayestro]

The issue is we are very naked in that spot if O cops an injury

Yes that’d be a worry, but it’s not a lot different to where we are right now anyway.

 

[Nunez]

You’d think a lot of teams will start to roll 2 rucks, which makes me worried about our ruck stocks. Desperately need to recruit a ruck with AFL experience.

Henry Smith my friend. He got this.

 

[Elixuh]

Henry Smith my friend. He got this.

It’s more if O is injured and most teams are playing two rucks. Could be dire.

 

[Nunez]

It’s more if O is injured and most teams are playing two rucks. Could be dire.

Henry Smith could ruck against 3 rucks and dominate. Trust!

 

[Cubs2Lions]

It’s more if O is injured and most teams are playing two rucks. Could be dire.

Don’t worry, we have Dunkley who can ruck for us if things became that dire

 

[briztoon]

The issue is we are very naked in that spot if O cops an injury

Most clubs are.