Fourth Test team

[JackOutback]

The problem is we don’t have any experienced batsmen performing over a number of Shield seasons. We have a lot of players that had one great season or an average in the low 40s. Our batting is in no man’s land.

 

[Fork n Hell]

The problem is we don’t have any experienced batsmen performing over a number of Shield seasons. We have a lot of players that had one great season or an average in the low 40s. Our batting is in no man’s land.

the thing they do have though is experience on various pitches and conditions around Australia. that counts for something.
our batsmen all have lower averages than they did 10 years ago, that's true. I don't know what to make of that really. is it because we aren't as good as we used to be, or because of drop in pitches, or because of T20 cricket, who knows. probably a combination of all of those factors are in play.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

you could say that about anybody. the fact is he cashed in when the chance was there and others haven't.

He’s had chance after chance after chance and continually fails- he averages 25 at test level, enough is enough. Give someone else a go. He’s had 30 chances and he’s just as rubbish as he was the first time. He makes Watson look like Garry Sobers!

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

you could say that about anybody. the fact is he cashed in when the chance was there and others haven't.

He's had one big score, one mediocre and one failure out of three innings. That in and of itself isn't too bad, the odd failure happens to everyone; but it comes on top of a string of non-performances in South Africa and UAE. (To be fair, as do others.)

 

[bird_man]

Cannot work out why so many think Renshaw is a sure thing. It's a huge worry that each time he needs to perform to make the side he can't do it.

Harris is 56* and is coming off a 250* and a 65

Since moving to Victoria he has scored more Shield runs than anyone at an average of a touch under 50

If he goes on to make a hundred here it would be impossible not to pick him.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Bit harder facing the test attack from NSW than facing Riley Meredith and co...

Renshaw got a howler of a decision too

 

[bird_man]

Bit harder facing the test attack from NSW than facing Riley Meredith and co...

Renshaw got a howler of a decision too

It was a poor shot nonetheless

How do you explain his last 8 FC innings, not all were playing NSW

0, 19, 3, 0, 89, 21, 21, 6

 

[LukeParkerno1]

His 89 was a superb knock and he adds to us in the slips. Our fielding is awful we can’t be dropping catches

 

[frankrizzo]

Surely renshaw has an advantage over others because he has scored test runs in Australia?

We get the argument that the marsh boys failed in their last few overseas tours but they can score runs at home so why can't renshaw be judged the same way, he struggled in Asia but averaged 70 in his only chances in Australia.

I don't think he will play anyway, he earned his spot in the UAE but was still left out after being declared fit so he isn't getting picked now when his early form is patchy.

 

[bird_man]

His 89 was a superb knock and he adds to us in the slips. Our fielding is awful we can’t be dropping catches

I hope like hell we aren't picking guys because of where they field.

Our batting is our biggest issue right now, not who fields in the slips.

One half decent score in 8 innings when you are fighting for your spot is a huge worry.

And it's an even bigger worry for him that there is someone that bats in the same position banging the door down.

 

[bird_man]

Honestly, id be playing both Harris and Renshaw and bat Finch at 5, but I have a bad feeling we will stick with him as an opener.

If that's the case then Harris' form should have him ahead of Renshaw.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

As long as that means Mitch Marsh is gone I’ll take it.

Don’t mind your suggestion of Harris and Renshaw opening.

 

[frankrizzo]

Langer seemed pretty adamant in the UAE that he would be keeping the finch usman opening combo, if we had a strong middle order that's fine but with no obvious middle order contenders demanding spots and no clear number 3 you would think we have to break up that opening combo.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Surely renshaw has an advantage over others because he has scored test runs in Australia?

We get the argument that the marsh boys failed in their last few overseas tours but they can score runs at home so why can't renshaw be judged the same way, he struggled in Asia but averaged 70 in his only chances in Australia.

I don't think he will play anyway, he earned his spot in the UAE but was still left out after being declared fit so he isn't getting picked now when his early form is patchy.

Unlike Renshaw, they have scored runs this Shield season; from less opportunities. Which is where that argument falls down.
I suspect if I could decide on a top six, M Marsh wouldn't be in it, and despite his (sort of) incumbency I suspect Renshaw wouldn't be either. However, finding anyone I actually think worth of inclusion is difficult - finding six is impossible.

 

[Tigerssaints]

I be playing Wadey, in the middle order , stiffen the batting up , and wont throw his wkt away,
just scored his 13 first class century

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I be playing Wadey, in the middle order , stiffen the batting up , and wont throw his wkt away,
just scored his 13 first class century

Would be a mile better than Mitch Marsh leaving a gap between bat and pad that a bus could fit though. Wade has to be an option

 

[2notepockets]

Since when are shield runs a basis for test selection?

 

[frankrizzo]

Unlike Renshaw, they have scored runs this Shield season; from less opportunities. Which is where that argument falls down.
I suspect if I could decide on a top six, M Marsh wouldn't be in it, and despite his (sort of) incumbency I suspect Renshaw wouldn't be either. However, finding anyone I actually think worth of inclusion is difficult - finding six is impossible.

Yeah thats fair enough, i feel renshaw was unlucky in the uae as he did earn his recall based on previous shield runs and once he was declared fit his previous test runs and last years shield form should have been enough to see him backed in but now that he did miss out and didn't score early shield runs it makes it less likely will go with him.

 

[Roadto2018]

Renshaw isn't going to be picked, in seriously average form with Finch a lock and harris on fire, also question marks on his character and commitment, would show up late to the days play in India part of why he was dropped.

Harris
Finch
Khawaja
S Marsh
Head
M Marsh
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazelwood

Handscomb 12th

 

[Roadto2018]

In addition he's just very average, Harris has him covered in every facet, far better technique, plenty more shots made a lot more runs post the move to Victoria. Would be straight up madness if Harris isn't picked, his relationship with Langer would be the only explanation.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Can we stop picking openers on the basis of "shots". How about we pick openers to you know, see the new ball off.

If Mitch marsh is there though will be the biggest disgrace though, unfortunately the spud will be there, only to fail as per usual.

 

[t_94]

It was a poor shot nonetheless

How do you explain his last 8 FC innings, not all were playing NSW

0, 19, 3, 0, 89, 21, 21, 6

He has test runs in a sparse field and he jad the most first class runs in the world this year at one point. I dont think hes a sure thing either btw.

 

[bird_man]

He has test runs in a sparse field and he jad the most first class runs in the world this year at one point. I dont think hes a sure thing either btw.

He has a test average of 33, hardly sensational.

I realise he was in some good form at some stage earlier in the year but he hasn't made runs since June and as I said in my first point, it's an issue that he struggles to make runs when there is a spot up for grabs.

I think it would be unfair to a player knocking on the door to miss out on a test spot because the other guy who is terribly out of form has a half decent test record. I'm not sure how anyone gets a game if that's the case.

 

[Fork n Hell]

M.Marsh averages 39.5 from 12 matches in tests at home. Wade averages 32.9 from ten test matches on home grounds.
plus Marsh has 15 wickets to his name on home soil. i'm not sure if choosing Wade over Mitch for this series would be a good idea myself.

 

[Demons09]

Would be a mile better than Mitch Marsh leaving a gap between bat and pad that a bus could fit though. Wade has to be an option

Turn it up , if Wade is picked I’ll support him and hope he does well on the other hand if he fails you’ll be all over it calling him a spud like you do with Mitch .

If it’s to hard for you to support the Australian cricket team with who ever they pick, support another country you know like you did with your AFL side.