Fourth Test team

[LukeParkerno1]

M.Marsh averages 39.5 from 12 matches in tests at home. Wade averages 32.9 from ten test matches on home grounds.
plus Marsh has 15 wickets to his name on home soil. i'm not sure if choosing Wade over Mitch for this series would be a good idea myself.

Take out that hundred on the WACA highway last year and what does Marsh average...everyone got runs on that pitch basically. It was an absolute road. We don't need AR's, we need genuine batsmen.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Turn it up , if Wade is picked I’ll support him and hope he does well on the other hand if he fails you’ll be all over it calling him a spud like you do with Mitch .

If it’s to hard for you to support the Australian cricket team with who ever they pick, support another country you know like you did with your AFL side.

I've hardly been a Wade fan, but he's earns an opportunity. He values his wicket, we need guys with solid techniques and Wade has that, he's limited but at the least he'd provide someone who won't give his wicket away. I'm looking forward getting through this summer, at least the big Bash is on, can't say I'm excited about being pummelled by India.

 

[frankrizzo]

Marsh is going to start the indian series but after that all this talk about him having a good home ashes needs to stop, he had one great home summer after being piss poor home and away for several years, he has zero credit left after the start of the summer and he needs to have a great series vs india to keep his test spot.

Really everybody outside of usman is in that boat, none of them are safe for the whole series unless they perform early and often this summer.

 

[carnthemlions]

Khawaja is the only sure thing if he's fit, Shaun Marsh knows how to make runs at the right (or perhaps wrong) time, Paine is a necessity and hasn't done too much wrong so far. The rest is just ugly.
Finch is a stop gap at best, at worst he'll clog up a spot for a couple of years.
Mitch Marsh has played 30 tests- he averages 26 with the bat even after making runs relatively recently. Hey, at least he averages over 30 in FC cricket now.
Head- I don't see it but at least you can hope he might develop into something.
Renshaw- hasn't responded well to being dropped both times but he's still only 22 and is by far the most promising young batsman we have.
Then there's the rest. Players who will likely never be more than mediocre at test level (Wade, Doolan etc)- I think Finch, Paine and Marsh have us covered in the short termism stakes.
And younger players who haven't shown all that much/with obvious flaws who still stand out given the state of our batting stocks- Lehmann and Harris are it right now, Cartwright has fallen back to earth, Maddinson's nowhere and I'm not sure where Labuschagne fits. Nothing really separates Head from this bunch other than the fact that he's presumably in the side (for now).
Handscomb's a bit of a wild card here, has the talent but probably needs to be made to work at developing a technique that won't be found out over the next season or so if he's to have any chance of succeeding.

In addition he's just very average, Harris has him covered in every facet, far better technique, plenty more shots made a lot more runs post the move to Victoria. Would be straight up madness if Harris isn't picked, his relationship with Langer would be the only explanation.

Hmmm yes I'm sure the Victoria part has nothing to do with your post at all. If they pick Harris so be it, but you're crazy if you think Harris' recent form means his flaws aren't likely to be exposed at test level.

Renshaw isn't going to be picked, in seriously average form with Finch a lock and harris on fire, also question marks on his character and commitment, would show up late to the days play in India part of why he was dropped.

Harris
Finch
Khawaja
S Marsh
Head
M Marsh
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazelwood

Handscomb 12th

Renshaw didn't make many runs in the end, but aside from Smith he was just about our only batsman to make a contribution in India in that he saw off the new ball and had to make up for Warner throwing in the towel every time because batting on the sub-continent clearly hurts his brain.

 

[frankrizzo]

Is that stuff about renshaw turning up late for test matches correct?

I hope we aren't talking about the test where he was stuck on the toilet before and during the test?

I know early on he had a reputation for being sloppy at bulls training but langer came out the other day and said he has no issues with his work ethic and brisbane heat coach vettori echoed that saying he was impressed with his effort behind the scenes.

 

[swingdog]

Looking through those batting options, next winter's Ashes series is going to be really ugly.

 

[Hamingja]

Finch - did OK in the UAE and not blessed with options....
Harris - solid shield season last year, good start to this year, in our position have to reward form
Khawaja
Head - solid shield season last year, kind of lucky to be in the limited overs squad so not ruining his test claims in the shield like everyone else...
S.Marsh
Wade - since January would comfortably be the most consistently good batsman in the shield
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazelwood

 

[saj_21]

Take out that hundred on the WACA highway last year and what does Marsh average...everyone got runs on that pitch basically. It was an absolute road. We don't need AR's, we need genuine batsmen.

Take it renshaws 89 and what does he average?


Seriously give the m Marsh thing a read it’s tiersome hearing you mention every time you post “m marsh is a spud” Either add something intelligent about deficiencies in his technique or button up.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Take it renshaws 89 and what does he average?

Seriously give the m Marsh thing a read it’s tiersome hearing you mention every time you post “m marsh is a spud” Either add something intelligent about deficiencies in his technique or button up.

That’s easy Marsh is worse than Watson plonking his front foot forward- he’s rooted if the ball moves. It comes of no shock he gets runs when it’s a road and doesn’t when the ball does a bit. You can’t have a number 6 averaging 25...he’s barely averaging what a number 8 does.

It is a huge technical problem and good bowlers (which at test level they are) will exploit.

 

[saj_21]

That’s easy Marsh is worse than Watson plonking his front foot forward- he’s rooted if the ball moves. It comes of no shock he gets runs when it’s a road and doesn’t when the ball does a bit. You can’t have a number 6 averaging 25...he’s barely averaging what a number 8 does.

It is a huge technical problem and good bowlers (which at test level they are) will exploit.

Good now please stop posting “he is a spud” every second post. We know you don’t rate him move on.

 

[Roadto2018]

Khawaja is the only sure thing if he's fit, Shaun Marsh knows how to make runs at the right (or perhaps wrong) time, Paine is a necessity and hasn't done too much wrong so far. The rest is just ugly.
Finch is a stop gap at best, at worst he'll clog up a spot for a couple of years.
Mitch Marsh has played 30 tests- he averages 26 with the bat even after making runs relatively recently. Hey, at least he averages over 30 in FC cricket now.
Head- I don't see it but at least you can hope he might develop into something.
Renshaw- hasn't responded well to being dropped both times but he's still only 22 and is by far the most promising young batsman we have.
Then there's the rest. Players who will likely never be more than mediocre at test level (Wade, Doolan etc)- I think Finch, Paine and Marsh have us covered in the short termism stakes.
And younger players who haven't shown all that much/with obvious flaws who still stand out given the state of our batting stocks- Lehmann and Harris are it right now, Cartwright has fallen back to earth, Maddinson's nowhere and I'm not sure where Labuschagne fits. Nothing really separates Head from this bunch other than the fact that he's presumably in the side (for now).
Handscomb's a bit of a wild card here, has the talent but probably needs to be made to work at developing a technique that won't be found out over the next season or so if he's to have any chance of succeeding.

Hmmm yes I'm sure the Victoria part has nothing to do with your post at all. If they pick Harris so be it, but you're crazy if you think Harris' recent form means his flaws aren't likely to be exposed at test level.

Renshaw didn't make many runs in the end, but aside from Smith he was just about our only batsman to make a contribution in India in that he saw off the new ball and had to make up for Warner throwing in the towel every time because batting on the sub-continent clearly hurts his brain.

Nah always liked him even before the move, very enjoyable to watch plays quality classic shots and I actually feel his main flaw of being flashy outside off has been tightened considerably this season. Seems he's realised there's a spot there and wants it. For any flaw Harris has Renshaw has many many more, and is in considerably better form.

 

[Roadto2018]

Is that stuff about renshaw turning up late for test matches correct?

I hope we aren't talking about the test where he was stuck on the toilet before and during the test?

I know early on he had a reputation for being sloppy at bulls training but langer came out the other day and said he has no issues with his work ethic and brisbane heat coach vettori echoed that saying he was impressed with his effort behind the scenes.

Yes it is absolutely true

 

[Roadto2018]

Can we stop picking openers on the basis of "shots". How about we pick openers to you know, see the new ball off.

If Mitch marsh is there though will be the biggest disgrace though, unfortunately the spud will be there, only to fail as per usual.

It's not just about attractive shots, it's having more shots to be able to rotate the strike and still be scoring whilst seeing off the new ball, watching Renshaw bog himself down because he can't play on the offside is nothing short of torture.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Looking through those batting options, next winter's Ashes series is going to be really ugly.

Hopefully we have 2 blokes back in the side that average 48+ then in Test Cricket.

 

[Kram]

I think Renshaw will end up having a good Test career but he has to be the most overrated batsman on here.

 

[Dayan Warna]

Put the vics in there
Good team spirit
Good leadership
Add starc and khawaja remove boland and short.

 

[Scotland]

I've honestly got no idea what our test XI will look like from 1-6.

7 Paine
8 Starc
9 Cummins
10 Lyon
11 Hazlewood

Unless we have injuries, the above is set.

My guess:

1 Finch
2 Khawaja
3 S Marsh
4 Head
5 Stoinis
6 M Marsh

The selectors love Stoinis, and if he performs they will have another option for when Mitch Marsh inevitably fails or is injured. Harris is the only one beating the door down and really he just made one big score in the first couple of games. If it was me I'd probably give Renshaw or Burns another go opening, bat Khawaja at 3 and push Shaun Marsh down the order. The sooner the banned trio are available for selection the better.

 

[bird_man]

I've honestly got no idea what our test XI will look like from 1-6.

7 Paine
8 Starc
9 Cummins
10 Lyon
11 Hazlewood

Unless we have injuries, the above is set.

My guess:

1 Finch
2 Khawaja
3 S Marsh
4 Head
5 Stoinis
6 M Marsh

The selectors love Stoinis, and if he performs they will have another option for when Mitch Marsh inevitably fails or is injured. Harris is the only one beating the door down and really he just made one big score in the first couple of games. If it was me I'd probably give Renshaw or Burns another go opening, bat Khawaja at 3 and push Shaun Marsh down the order. The sooner the banned trio are available for selection the better.

That would be a terrible looking middle order.

We don't have one all rounder good enough to bat at 6, why would we pick 2?

Surely if Stoinis plays, Marsh is dropped?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Head averaging about 30...Marsh averaging 25 and Stonis averaging about 25...

What could possibly go wrong...

How about we pick our SIX BEST PURE BATSMEN!

Stop the AR love fest, we don't have 1 that is test standard

 

[Scotland]

That would be a terrible looking middle order.

We don't have one all rounder good enough to bat at 6, why would we pick 2?

Surely if Stoinis plays, Marsh is dropped?

Like I said, just my prediction. We keep picking guys who average 30 odd in FC cricket, why is Stoinis any different?

The reality is we're going to have a terrible looking middle order on way or another.

 

[Scotland]

How about we pick our SIX BEST PURE BATSMEN

Who are they and how many of them are test standard?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Who are they and how many of them are test standard?

Personally,

Renshaw or Harris (either one, I'd rather Renshaw)
Finch
Khawaja
Handscomb
SMarsh (at 5)
Wade or Ferguson

The rest make up the 7-11 spots.

 

[bird_man]

Like I said, just my prediction. We keep picking guys who average 30 odd in FC cricket, why is Stoinis any different?

The reality is we're going to have a terrible looking middle order on way or another.

Fair enough. I'll be very surprised to see that side.

Not sure we need two all rounders when their are better batting options out there.

 

[frankrizzo]

Yes it is absolutely true

I have no idea if it is, you aren't a legitimate source of credible inside information though so just link the article where the claim is made.

 

[carnthemlions]

For any flaw Harris has Renshaw has many many more, and is in considerably better form.

Compare the pair- 47 FC matches, 38.95 avg, 10 hundreds
67 FC matches, 35.55 avg, 9 hundreds
Who's who?- just bearing in mind the age gap as well

I think Renshaw will end up having a good Test career but he has to be the most overrated batsman on here.

Is he though? He's got a pretty good record for a 22 year old, especially when you compare what he did in county cricket with what most other australians who weren't experienced pros like Rogers and Voges have tended to produce there in recent times.