List Mgmt. Fyfe - Signed until 2023!!

[Arcassius]

does it matter? you're coming off like a dick with how you responded

I like you. Please stay a while.

 

[Armoooo]

Saints tried to shaft Essendon and get Carlilse on the cheap but Dodoro wanted pick 5 and didn't budge until he got it. Freo needs to do the same and demand the Saints 2 first round picks in return.

Surely you know that's incorrect.

If the saints gave pick 5 for Carlisle alone there would have been a bloody riot, even before the snapchat fiasco. We all knew he would be sitting a year out for doping, was never going to be enough for the pick alone.

We upgraded our second for the first which got us Gresham, who is arguably the most talented youngster on our list.

The AFL didn't want any further legal essendon surrounding the drug cheats so they arranged a compromise:

Essendon get a great deal.
St Kilda get a fair deal.
Sydney get a terrible deal (but because they were using their picks for bidding instead of drafting it actually worked out in their favour.)

St Kilda paid what they said they would the whole time. Credit to Dodoro for getting what he wanted but the saints, or any club for that matter, are not going to pay significantly more for a player just because the other clubs recruiter is being difficult. If we had to trade pick 5 for Carlisle we would have walked away. Simple.

 

[salim malik]

It's not all about having the best players. Look at Sydney, there midfield has Luke Parker, Dan Hannebery and Josh Kennedy in it and they haven't won a game. Saint Kilda are just as good as us if not better and they don't have Fyfe. Like i said before if you take Fyfe from our team and put him on their team they are a much better team then us.
That's what makes them an attractive destination.

Cant agree, the Saints are still average. Their mids are plodders.Name their A graders.

 

[salim malik]

taking fyfe out of the equation. if you ask saints fans, they think their list is better. if you ask freo fans, they think their list is better.

the question is what does Fyfe think? personally i dont think the list is the defining criteria on how he makes his decision, but if it was and you were looking at it purely from fyfes perspective i think he would care more about what list will allow him to play the best football, the rest is a nice to have. i think for fyfe to play his best football he would want good inside mids to play with him. its similar to the selwood situation at geelong, when selwood lost the players around him, suddenly he was the sole target of the opposition. he wore the tag week in/week out, he was targetted physically at every stoppage and around the ground. it wears you down and the worst part of it, is when you're not playing your best football it affects your brand. look at how goddard and thomas fell from grace after being touted superstars in 2010. the wear and tear can shorten careers, daniel kerr is one example of this.

so what i think Fyfe needs from a list perspective are strong damaging inside mids around him. the more the better. that way clubs wont just go to him every week and if they do he has the protection around him to block/chop out etc.

it also means Fyfe would then have the flexibility to potentially play outside or on the flank, if he has a niggle or two. see how danger played fwd in weeks gone by after getting a nasty corky, without affecting his teams performance that much

good inside mids dont grow on trees. they're not that easy to find and they take a while to develop. blakely is a good example of this, he's a great young developing inside mid that i would argue has the potential to be one of the games best. but right now he's being used in a run with role, similar to what we did with ross in previous seasons. it often takes 4-5 seasons for them to get going. kennedy another example of this at sydney. its just such a hard position to play and it takes an incredible toll on the body.

Neale was the disposal king playing inside mid, most possessions ever last season. Stephen Hill is an A grader inside or out. Mundy although in the veteran stage is an AA inside mid who has signed on for another season. Blakely, Balic are young promising inside mids .Logue has the build and tank to be a beast inside mid. Grey although not a champ by any means played inside mid for Peel with great effect. The one thing Freo have plenty of is good inside mids.

 

[estibador]

does it matter? you're coming off like a dick with how you responded

Par for the course with him I've noticed.

I mean, who builds their entire internet persona around being a spelling and grammar nazi? Must be fun at parties.

 

[jakefooty23]

Cant agree, the Saints are still average. Their mids are plodders.Name their A graders.

If Neale is an A grader then Jack Steven is an A grader, Riewoldt is also an A grader. By the way you seem to rate the Saints you better hope we flog them by 10 goals....

 

[Bicco]

WHAT DID I JUST SAY

We're just lowly freemantle supporters.

 

[Arcassius]

Par for the course with him I've noticed.

I mean, who builds their entire internet persona around being a spelling and grammar nazi? Must be fun at parties.

Should Nazi be capitalised as it's a proper noun?

 

[STK2020]

I think in terms of a trade IF required the " Dangerfield " trade between Adelaide/ Geelong sets the requirement.

 

[wayToGo_]

I think in terms of a trade IF required the " Dangerfield " trade between Adelaide/ Geelong sets the requirement.

Is this the same though? The pull was strong as Dangerfield wanted to go home (same goes with Judd to Carlton a few years back). I think it's hard for clubs to stand up against players that want to go home (to be closer to their family), especially when they've done their dues to the point of becoming a free agent but even when they haven't (except GWS with Cam). A few years back we tried to trade but then ended up delisting Roberton so he could get home to his family and you got him for nothing and he's probably been your best player this year so far. You're welcome btw.

The Fyfe situation isn't about family and home factor - he's already at home near his family. If he wants to go it'll be for other reasons and Freo will justifiably be able to stand their ground and seek fair compensation if they want to. Therefore I can't see Freo agreeing to a equivalent deal to what Adelaide did.

But the chance that Fyfe will leave is tiny so it's almost certainly not going to come to that and then we'll never know.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I think in terms of a trade IF required the " Dangerfield " trade between Adelaide/ Geelong sets the requirement.

So you want to absolutely bend us over for. Top 2 player in the league then? Yeah sorry mate that won't happen. If he requests a trade to you blokes you can bank on Ameet caving and giving us multiple first rounders.

 

[Unique Name]

What's interesting is that through this circus we've atleast confirmed we have a big offer on the table to Fyfe and that's there's atleast concern he might move

Interesting to hear McClure/Darcy say that the club acquiring fyfe will be told of his intentions to join their club around now so that they can plan the cap. That tells me we are not far off from knowing what Fyfe will do. Be it stay or go. Probably 4-5 rounds max.

Fremantle will be the lagging indicator here. They'll be the last to know of the three parties.

I did find them moving on walters etc. recently interesting. Hawthorn started to do similar stuff from the mid way mark once they gave up on buddy

Also I think the attention fyfe has received from opposition teams this year has been very interesting. Especially the weekends derby game. Basically teams are tagging him and targeting him physically. Theyre using a number of players to work him over. I think they've identified that if they wear down fyfe physically and shut down Mundy influence then the freo midfield becomes very non effectual. Given Mundy is near retirement I think fyfe will need to seriously consider if he wants to be battling through that attention for the next 5-6 years. Which hurts fyfe brand. If he's not performing on field he no longer has that star value. Look what's happened to beej and Daisy Thomas from 2010 in that regard. Fyfe would be one who wants a Brownlow and the attention to drive his $$$

Neale has now been exposed as a bit part mid. He really doesn't help fyfe in this regard with teams preferring Neale to have the ball in hand especially in the back half due to his poor disposal. Blakely is still somewhat off attracting attention given hes used in a shut down role himself. Look what happened to Selwood pre Danger and the affect on Danger and Selwood game when they were both in the same midfield.

Where as if fyfe comes to St kilda teams will have to choose between tagging/paying attention to steven/Ross plus with the growth of someone like acres or stevens or Newnes or roberton that number could grow

Your board obviously weren't up for a discussion. So I'll repost my response here if you want to reply.

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When you say Neale has been exposed as a bit part mid. What exactly do you mean?

Neale has just come off a majorly interrupted preseason (3 surgeries (Shoulder, Elbow, wrist)). Jack Steven had the big injury with his ribs so both aren't near their best.

On averages the only thing Steven has over Neale this season is Inside 50's and Clangers. You mentioned Neale's disposal which I thought was strange as he has one of the best disposal efficiencies in the comp for an inside mid. (Better than Steven, Fyfe, Rockliff, Danger, Selwood, Cripps, Prestia) Whilst still averaging 328m gained.

Looking back over 2016 both players best season the stats are still somewhat similar.


Why didn't you mention Stephen Hill when talking about our midfield? He has been excellent so far this season.

Fyfe - Neale - S Hill
with Blakely - B Hill - Balic - Weller - Tucker coming along nicely.

With some Voodoo prayers we might one day see Bennell play again which would be something.


Our side has plenty of issues to sort out over this rebuild, our midfield isn't our area of concern.

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Then we could look at who our teams have faced so far this season to judge said stats.

This was from another thread but it lists the opponents of sides with 3wins-3losses. We've played 5 of our 6 games against top 8 opponents. I imagine when we play some of the lesser clubs our stats might improve a touch.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Cant agree, the Saints are still average. Their mids are plodders.Name their A graders.

Jack Steven, Nick Riewoldt, Seb Ross is a B grader but will likely be A grade, same with Jack Steele, Josh Bruce, Billings, Membrey Carlisle etc. I'm not here to argue about who's list is better but Salim, you're extremely bias towards our players which is fine, but don't have a dig at somebody else's opinion. It's not wrong for a Fremantle supporter to have a different opinion to you. I agree with jakefooty23, you take Fyfe out of our team and add him to St Kilda's and we would finish just about dead last whilst they would likely climb up the ladder. Which is part of the reason why I think a future first round pick would be a a slap in the face.

 

[STK2020]

So you want to absolutely bend us over for. Top 2 player in the league then? Yeah sorry mate that won't happen. If he requests a trade to you blokes you can bank on Ameet caving and giving us multiple first rounders.

I think if it happens, a trade will get done because it will have to be done .
Im not sure how many clubs could afford 1.5 million per year and if you guys match it then good luck , maybe one or two players will get forced out .

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I think if it happens, a trade will get done because it will have to be done .
Im not sure how many clubs could afford 1.5 million per year and if you guys match it then good luck , maybe one or two players will get forced out .

Nobody will be forced out ty.

 

[Unique Name]

I think if it happens, a trade will get done because it will have to be done .
Im not sure how many clubs could afford 1.5 million per year and if you guys match it then good luck , maybe one or two players will get forced out .

We're already paying him $800-900k a year. We only have to come up with another $400k or so. Which the salary cap increase should allow for without much trouble.

Also doubtful that we will be paying him $1.5million. I'm thinking $1.2-1.3 million. You guys would have to pay more to try and lure him, that's why the 1.5 figure is being spouted.

 

[salim malik]

If Neale is an A grader then Jack Steven is an A grader, Riewoldt is also an A grader. By the way you seem to rate the Saints you better hope we flog them by 10 goals....

Nick R is not a mid .

 

[TheMcManusNose]

We're already paying him $800-900k a year. We only have to come up with another $400k or so. Which the salary cap increase should allow for without much trouble.

Also doubtful that we will be paying him $1.5million. I'm thinking $1.2-1.3 million. You guys would have to pay more to try and lure him, that's why the 1.5 figure is being spouted.

You'd think that given where we are at right now we'd probably front load it fairly significantly in the first few years. I think of any club in the AFL sans perhaps North we'd probably be in the best position to handle such a contract without losing much of value.

 

[salim malik]

Jack Steven, Nick Riewoldt, Seb Ross is a B grader but will likely be A grade, same with Jack Steele, Josh Bruce, Billings, Membrey Carlisle etc. I'm not here to argue about who's list is better but Salim, you're extremely bias towards our players which is fine, but don't have a dig at somebody else's opinion. It's not wrong for a Fremantle supporter to have a different opinion to you. I agree with jakefooty23, you take Fyfe out of our team and add him to St Kilda's and we would finish just about dead last whilst they would likely climb up the ladder. Which is part of the reason why I think a future first round pick would be a a slap in the face.

Its not a dig ,its opposing views. If we all thought the same way we would be Eagle supporters.

 

[meima]

Nick R is not a mid .

He is playing more as mid winger now.

 

[salim malik]

He is playing more as mid winger now.

Nick is not a mid.

 

[meima]

Its not a dig ,its opposing views. If we all thought the same way we would be Eagle supporters.

What about me thinking as peel supporter with alignment with freo ?

 

[salim malik]

What about me thinking as peel supporter with alignment with freo ?

Its your opinion, thats what BF is. You're entitled to it even though you're wrong.

 

[STK2020]

We're already paying him $800-900k a year. We only have to come up with another $400k or so. Which the salary cap increase should allow for without much trouble.

Also doubtful that we will be paying him $1.5million. I'm thinking $1.2-1.3 million. You guys would have to pay more to try and lure him, that's why the 1.5 figure is being spouted.

Exactly how it works , our contract for employment is 1.5mill ( our set value) and if your contract offer is 1.2 -1.3 mill ( your set value ) .....it goes to a trade ( if thats Fyfes decision to leave ) if the clubs cant agree it goes to afl who will help mediate .
A trade will get done whether both clubs are happy or not.

 

[meima]

Exactly how it works , our contract for employment is 1.5mill ( our set value) and if your contract offer is 1.2 -1.3 mill ( your set value ) .....it goes to a trade ( if thats Fyfes decision to leave ) if the clubs cant agree it goes to afl who will help mediate .
A trade will get done whether both clubs are happy or not.

toward the end if you look back why spend time 6 match into the season talking about something might or might not happen .